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Arike could be a spitfire scoring option off of the bench for team USA. She has played for some select USA teams before, so it's not like she can't tame her game back. Team USA's guards weren't looking too great in that All-Star game, but they won't be playing a backcourt hat talented in the Olympics. They'll be fine.
 
Arike is a great player when she's on but I often feel like she shoots her team out of games when she's not. She currently takes the most field goals in the league and is shooting a pretty horrible 37%. I feel like you take either Arike or Jewell but never both. Jewell probably got the edge due to Team USA experience.

If anything Team USA needs more two way guards. Such as Laney, Allisha Gray and Rhyne Howard. The perimeter defense leaves a lot to be desired.
 
It seems “politics” is the new catchphrase for “sub-tweeting” decisions made that don’t cater to one’s preferences.

At bottom:
  • do the decisions appear to be reasonable?
  • were they made according to reasonable criteria?
  • were they made by reasonable knowledgeable people?
  • did prior similarly-made decisions produce desired results?
Even the men’s Team USA had an off-day on its fourth tune-up.
 
Arike is a great player when she's on but I often feel like she shoots her team out of games when she's not. She currently takes the most field goals in the league and is shooting a pretty horrible 37%. I feel like you take either Arike or Jewell but never both. Jewell probably got the edge due to Team USA experience.
Arike's not an efficient player, but neither are Taurasi, Loyd, or Ionescu (and Plum this season). I've seen Copper shoot her team out of games this year. We just saw Plum shoot Vegas out of the Sky game not too long ago (and the first Storm game also sticks out to me). Loyd's historically awful shooting had a lot to do with why Seattle started out the season so poorly.

It shouldn't have to come down to Arike versus Jewell--there either should be room for both or Arike should have a realistic shot at making a team like this. Jewell is not the type of player who should command so much respect that her spot is essentially sewn up. For that matter, neither are Copper, Plum, Young, or Ionescu. All of the guards not named Taurasi sucked last night. It was a terrible look for Team USA, considering that all of them are at least Arike's age or older.

If anything Team USA needs more two way guards. Such as Laney, Allisha Gray and Rhyne Howard. The perimeter defense leaves a lot to be desired.
Those three should have received further consideration for Team USA than they did (I know that Laney's out due to injury, but they toyed with her before leaving her name out of the pool this past spring). If defense is so important to Team USA, why would you construct a team that has Taurasi (a fossil), Plum (small with ZERO defensive awareness), AND Ionescu (lead feet) on it????
 
Arike is a great player when she's on but I often feel like she shoots her team out of games when she's not. She currently takes the most field goals in the league and is shooting a pretty horrible 37%. I feel like you take either Arike or Jewell but never both. Jewell probably got the edge due to Team USA experience.

If anything Team USA needs more two way guards. Such as Laney, Allisha Gray and Rhyne Howard. The perimeter defense leaves a lot to be desired.
Arike hasn't had her running backcourt ate Sabally this season. Plus Howard was out for a lot of the season. Plus the Wings are just a team that drafts strange every single season. She looks good in these All-Star games because she has other top players alongside her. Which is what the Olympic team would be. As others pointed out, there's other guards that aren't efficient either. And those guards aren't on bad teams. Plum has 3 other Olympians in her starting lineup. Sabrina has Stewart and Jones (plus other really good role players). You put any of those guards om the Wings and ask them to be the main scorer and I don't think they'd be efficient either.

Arike could've been on that team. No one's second unit guards could check her. Team USA can't check her.
 
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It seems “politics” is the new catchphrase for “sub-tweeting” decisions made that don’t cater to one’s preferences.

At bottom:
  • do the decisions appear to be reasonable?
  • were they made according to reasonable criteria?
  • were they made by reasonable knowledgeable people?
  • did prior similarly-made decisions produce desired results?
Even the men’s Team USA had an off-day on its fourth tune-up.
Politics have always been in play, unfortunately. This isn't something new. From those questioning whether Lobo should have been on the 1996 roster to players like Ogumike never being selected.
 
Arike hasn't had her running backcourt ate Sabally this season. Plus Howard was out for a lot of the season. Plus the Wings are just a team that drafts strange every single season. She looks good in these All-Star games because she has other top players alongside her. Which is what the Olympic team would be. As others pointed out, there's other guards that aren't efficient either. And those guards aren't on bad teams. Plum has 3 other Olympians in her starting lineup. Sabrina has Stewart and Jones (plus other really good role players). You put any of those guards om the Wings and ask them to be the main scorer and I don't think they'd be efficient either.

Arike could've been on that team. No one's second unit guards could check her. Team USA can't check her.
Yeah, but how many playoff wins / championships does Dallas have since Arike joined the league?

“Drafting strange”: Arike has been on 6 Dallas teams (2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024) — a graveyard of top draft picks where some players who got out have rejuvenated careers.

Note: LV was not its championship self, until Becky Hammon came along. Whatever the issue is with Dallas — it is dead last this year — do Team USA members feel it needs a dose of Arike ball?
 
Yeah, but how many playoff wins / championships does Dallas have since Arike joined the league?

“Drafting strange”: Arike has been on 6 Dallas teams (2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024) — a graveyard of top draft picks where some players who got out have rejuvenated careers.

Note: LV was not its championship self, until Becky Hammon came along. Whatever the issue is with Dallas — it is dead last this year — do Team USA members feel it needs a dose of Arike ball?
But is that all on Arike or the front office? In addition to the puzzling draft choices, the coaches prior to Tramell were underwhelming.
 
Politics have always been in play, unfortunately. This isn't something new. From those questioning whether Lobo should have been on the 1996 roster to players like Ogumike never being selected.

Politics have always been in play, unfortunately. This isn't something new. From those questioning whether Lobo should have been on the 1996 roster to players like Ogumike never being selected.
Can’t speak to Rebecca Lobo and others who have been selected prior to the current process that former Team USA members and current Selection Committee members Dawn Staley, Seimone Augustus and Delisha Milton Jones know about and are implementing.

That said:
  • prior to the process, Team USA had a more robust preparation, which allows the Selection Committee leeway in selecting the 11th/12th players;
  • in 2000 (Rebecca Lobo) and maybe 2004 (Diana Taurasi and Sue Bird), the Selection Committee arguably used this leeway;
  • I used a “maybe” on 2004 since Team USA had no veteran formidable backcourt with experience who will be back in 2008; the Selection Committee made a bet on Sue and Diana with their stellar collegiate careers who will be entering their prime in 2008;
  • in 2024, under the current process, the Selection Committee chose 5 newcomers — 4 guards and 1 forward, ending up with a team with 7 guards;
  • Nneka is the most anguishing decision for me — the only one I can think of that maybe is unreasonable.
 
But is that all on Arike or the front office? In addition to the puzzling draft choices, the coaches prior to Tramell were underwhelming.
The one constant in Dallas is Arike. Unlike Marina Mabrey who requested a trade to CT, there has not been any request by Arike to get traded.

Arguably, Dallas is Arike and Arike is Dallas. Any decisions of others in Dallas rests on Arike-in-Dallas as a core fact.
 
Arike hasn't had her running backcourt ate Sabally this season. Plus Howard was out for a lot of the season. Plus the Wings are just a team that drafts strange every single season. She looks good in these All-Star games because she has other top players alongside her. Which is what the Olympic team would be. As others pointed out, there's other guards that aren't efficient either. And those guards aren't on bad teams. Plum has 3 other Olympians in her starting lineup. Sabrina has Stewart and Jones (plus other really good role players). You put any of those guards om the Wings and ask them to be the main scorer and I don't think they'd be efficient either.

Arike could've been on that team. No one's second unit guards could check her. Team USA can't check her.
I don't think anyone on either team played much defense last night.
 
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The one constant in Dallas is Arike. Unlike Marina Mabrey who requested a trade to CT, there has not been any request by Arike to get traded.

Arguably, Dallas is Arike and Arike is Dallas. Any decisions of others in Dallas rests on Arike-in-Dallas as a core fact.
In reality I think Arike is the face of Dallas and Sabally is the foundation of Dallas.
 
The one constant in Dallas is Arike. Unlike Marina Mabrey who requested a trade to CT, there has not been any request by Arike to get traded.

Arguably, Dallas is Arike and Arike is Dallas. Any decisions of others in Dallas rests on Arike-in-Dallas as a core fact.
But the decisions for the players selected and playing style isn't Arike. Putting all the onus on her for how the team is performing isn't fair.
 
But the decisions for the players selected and playing style isn't Arike. Putting all the onus on her for how the team is performing isn't fair.
“Arike-in-Dallas as a core fact” — decisions for and with Arike in mind, which weren’t successful with Arike having a hand on the successes, or lack thereof.

It seems we’re not going to agree on this one, so let’s agree to disagree.
 
Can’t speak to Rebecca Lobo and others who have been selected prior to the current process that former Team USA members and current Selection Committee members Dawn Staley, Seimone Augustus and Delisha Milton Jones know about and are implementing.

That said:
  • prior to the process, Team USA had a more robust preparation, which allows the Selection Committee leeway in selecting the 11th/12th players;
  • in 2000 (Rebecca Lobo) and maybe 2004 (Diana Taurasi and Sue Bird), the Selection Committee arguably used this leeway;
  • I used a “maybe” on 2004 since Team USA had no veteran formidable backcourt with experience who will be back in 2008; the Selection Committee made a bet on Sue and Diana with their stellar collegiate careers who will be entering their prime in 2008;
  • in 2024, under the current process, the Selection Committee chose 5 newcomers — 4 guards and 1 forward, ending up with a team with 7 guards;
  • Nneka is the most anguishing decision for me — the only one I can think of that maybe is unreasonable.
7 guards on this team was a mistake. Now with Collier looking like she can't play you go into the Olympics with 4 frontcourt players, 2 nursing injuries in Stewie and Griner.
This could be a problem in the Olympics, playing on consecutive days.
 
Arike's not an efficient player, but neither are Taurasi, Loyd, or Ionescu (and Plum this season). I've seen Copper shoot her team out of games this year. We just saw Plum shoot Vegas out of the Sky game not too long ago (and the first Storm game also sticks out to me). Loyd's historically awful shooting had a lot to do with why Seattle started out the season so poorly.

It shouldn't have to come down to Arike versus Jewell--there either should be room for both or Arike should have a realistic shot at making a team like this. Jewell is not the type of player who should command so much respect that her spot is essentially sewn up. For that matter, neither are Copper, Plum, Young, or Ionescu. All of the guards not named Taurasi sucked last night. It was a terrible look for Team USA, considering that all of them are at least Arike's age or older.


Those three should have received further consideration for Team USA than they did (I know that Laney's out due to injury, but they toyed with her before leaving her name out of the pool this past spring). If defense is so important to Team USA, why would you construct a team that has Taurasi (a fossil), Plum (small with ZERO defensive awareness), AND Ionescu (lead feet) on it????
I agree on nearly all of this, WCCTakeover, especially about Loyd. She's thought to be a good defender. I surely hope so, 'cause she plays a whole lot of bad games on offense.
 
Can’t speak to Rebecca Lobo and others who have been selected prior to the current process that former Team USA members and current Selection Committee members Dawn Staley, Seimone Augustus and Delisha Milton Jones know about and are implementing.

That said:
  • prior to the process, Team USA had a more robust preparation, which allows the Selection Committee leeway in selecting the 11th/12th players;
  • in 2000 (Rebecca Lobo) and maybe 2004 (Diana Taurasi and Sue Bird), the Selection Committee arguably used this leeway;
  • I used a “maybe” on 2004 since Team USA had no veteran formidable backcourt with experience who will be back in 2008; the Selection Committee made a bet on Sue and Diana with their stellar collegiate careers who will be entering their prime in 2008;
  • in 2024, under the current process, the Selection Committee chose 5 newcomers — 4 guards and 1 forward, ending up with a team with 7 guards;
  • Nneka is the most anguishing decision for me — the only one I can think of that maybe is unreasonable.
And, based on her performance last night, Nneka very much agrees with you.
 
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7 guards on this team was a mistake. Now with Collier looking like she can't play you go into the Olympics with 4 frontcourt players, 2 nursing injuries in Stewie and Griner.
This could be a problem in the Olympics, playing on consecutive days.
There are no games on consecutive days in the Olympics. They play 6 games in two weeks with an average of 2-3 days rest between games. Easier than the WNBA schedule.
 
7 guards on this team was a mistake. Now with Collier looking like she can't play you go into the Olympics with 4 frontcourt players, 2 nursing injuries in Stewie and Griner.
This could be a problem in the Olympics, playing on consecutive days.
The team still have alternates like Brionna Jones available worst case scenario.

 
The team still have alternates like Brionna Jones available worst case scenario.


Alternates aren’t available once the competition starts (so next Saturday) and those alternates were never even confirmed. Given no one else flew to Europe with the team that we know of, I’d presume they won’t be used at this point.
 
I agree on nearly all of this, WCCTakeover, especially about Loyd. She's thought to be a good defender. I surely hope so, 'cause she plays a whole lot of bad games on offense.
I'm of the belief that while Jewell is an okay defender, she's not going to be earning any awards for her defense--and I don't believe she's ever been awarded for her defense as a pro. She's not the best defensive guard on her own WNBA team. If she was brought along because of her defense, then that was a mistake by USA Basketball. They should've taken Ariel Atkins instead. I know I said in the past that she wasn't needed on this team, but I was wrong. A healthy Brittney Sykes would've been a good option as well. So would a healthy Jordin Canada or a Natasha Cloud. Betnijah Laney, Allisha Gray, and Rhyne Howard are also players who could've helped defensively at the guard spot.

IMO, the best defenders on Team USA are A'ja, Stewie, Phee, AT, and BG. My goodness--the roster composition is just :confused::confused::confused:! They couldn't find one top-flight guard defender?
 
7 guards on this team was a mistake. Now with Collier looking like she can't play you go into the Olympics with 4 frontcourt players, 2 nursing injuries in Stewie and Griner.
This could be a problem in the Olympics, playing on consecutive days.
It could be wishful thinking, but here's what Coach Cheryl Reeve had to say:

 
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She hasn't played meaningful minutes in 2 weeks, and has a condition that could flare up at anytime. Only a period of rest will get her better.
I, personally, don't disagree with that. I'm just giving Reeve's take on the matter. "More of Phee" could mean 4-5 minutes instead of the three that she played in the ASG.
 
Arike's not an efficient player, but neither are Taurasi, Loyd, or Ionescu (and Plum this season). I've seen Copper shoot her team out of games this year. We just saw Plum shoot Vegas out of the Sky game not too long ago (and the first Storm game also sticks out to me). Loyd's historically awful shooting had a lot to do with why Seattle started out the season so poorly.

It shouldn't have to come down to Arike versus Jewell--there either should be room for both or Arike should have a realistic shot at making a team like this. Jewell is not the type of player who should command so much respect that her spot is essentially sewn up. For that matter, neither are Copper, Plum, Young, or Ionescu. All of the guards not named Taurasi sucked last night. It was a terrible look for Team USA, considering that all of them are at least Arike's age or older.


Those three should have received further consideration for Team USA than they did (I know that Laney's out due to injury, but they toyed with her before leaving her name out of the pool this past spring). If defense is so important to Team USA, why would you construct a team that has Taurasi (a fossil), Plum (small with ZERO defensive awareness), AND Ionescu (lead feet) on it????
If you look at true shooting percentage, Arike and Jewell are the outliers. Arike ranks 97th in the league. Jewell Loyd is 94th. All the other Olympic guards are in the top 50.

What I do think Arike is underrated on is her other skills. She's averaging over 5apg and leading the league in steals per game at 2.7.
 
To me the biggest miss was Allisha Gray. She’s just a basketball player. She’s a terrific defender and can score all 3 levels. J Young is also a pretty good defender but didn’t play a whole lot the other night.

Sabrina and Kelsey were not good And Sabrina is just horrible on defense. I expected more out of Kah and Alyssa Thomas.

A’ja and Stewie played so well together. They are fun to watch.
 
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