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May 2024 WNBA Thread, part II

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nwhoopfan said:
Sorry to quote myself. So how do we think this will effect the rotation? Eat way into Martin's minutes? Does Clark stay a starter and Hayes off the bench, or vice versa? Or maybe Martin/Hayes both get minutes and Young/Plum get more rest.

I looked, Young and Plum both clocking 36 minutes, Clark 32, Martin 21. And Colson is only 7, maybe she gets squeezed out. And Bell has only played in 1 game, is she injured or just on the outside looking in?
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I’d hope Tiffany would take a few minutes each from several players. If Hayes plays 25 and Martin 15, that’s 10 minutes each from four players.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Sorry to quote myself. So how do we think this will effect the rotation? Eat way into Martin's minutes? Does Clark stay a starter and Hayes off the bench, or vice versa? Or maybe Martin/Hayes both get minutes and Young/Plum get more rest.

I looked, Young and Plum both clocking 36 minutes, Clark 32, Martin 21. And Colson is only 7, maybe she gets squeezed out. And Bell has only played in 1 game, is she injured or just on the outside looking in?
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Last I saw Bell was in a walking boot. But... Don't know how much she would play even if she was healthy
 
cancontent said:
Your first sentence gives the impression your implying this. If you know the issue is the at the feet of the conference and the NCAA, why was ESPN even referenced?
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Because CC critics referred to her as "the golden goose of ESPN."
 
nwhoopfan said:
Sorry to quote myself. So how do we think this will effect the rotation? Eat way into Martin's minutes? Does Clark stay a starter and Hayes off the bench, or vice versa? Or maybe Martin/Hayes both get minutes and Young/Plum get more rest.

I looked, Young and Plum both clocking 36 minutes, Clark 32, Martin 21. And Colson is only 7, maybe she gets squeezed out. And Bell has only played in 1 game, is she injured or just on the outside looking in?
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Guessing Colson is put on the bench and Hayes take some of Martin’s minutes. I’d also look for Young/Plum to get a few more minutes of a rest.

Heck of a pickup for the Aces.
 
Geew1992 said:
Last I saw Bell was in a walking boot. But... Don't know how much she would play even if she was healthy
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I know it was only a preseason game but it really looked like KB was expected to play a bigger part this year. She was first off the bench and she made some great passes and key plays that didn't exactly show up on the stat sheet that left me hopeful of her making the jump this season.
 
GCKSFN4L said:
I know it was only a preseason game but it really looked like KB was expected to play a bigger part this year. She was first off the bench and she made some great passes and key plays that didn't exactly show up on the stat sheet that left me hopeful of her making the jump this season.
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I do wonder if Martin's emergence will change that though. I really doubt at the beginning of the season they were expecting her to be logging 20+ mpg, but she's looked very competent on the floor.
 
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bballnut90 said:
Guessing Colson is put on the bench and Hayes take some of Martin’s minutes. I’d also look for Young/Plum to get a few more minutes of a rest.

Heck of a pickup for the Aces.
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guess that 100k from the Las Vegas commission is just too good ...(and helps the Aces stay under the cap)
 
I never would have guessed Hayes would have ever be an option but I think she's a great pickup. An experienced guard that can help pick up the slack with perimeter defense. She also provides overall relief to the backcourt while simultaneously being a threat offensively.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I do wonder if Martin's emergence will change that though. I really doubt at the beginning of the season they were expecting her to be logging 20+ mpg, but she's looked very competent on the floor.
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Kate has looked pretty good so far, so there's always a chance but the organization appears to be sold on KB. Due to the lack of guard depth especially any with size. They had no choice but to play her significant minutes or force the starters to play 38+ minutes a game.


But if things work out and players get healthy, Vegas might actually have legit depth for once, well at least in the backcourt.
 
WLT1717 said:
Sides cannot be fired soon enough, provided they know how to hire a competent replacement - which is no given.
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The worst coach at the present time is Sandy of the Liberty. She is underperforming with the Liberty, just like she did in Phoenix. One title and had DT, Griner. Had a lot of talent and won 1 Title.
Had Bonner, and Breland with them at one time, and Penny Taylor.
 
GCKSFN4L said:
Vegas might actually have legit depth for once, well at least in the backcourt.
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Yeah, still awfully thin in the front court. Gustafson is only playing 11 mpg, Cannon doesn't even count. Clark must be playing the 4 a fair bit.
 
GamecockFam said:
The calls in the past game were pretty egregious. I almost turned off the game in the 3rd because I was so frustrated with the refs. For context, I am not a personality that easily gets frustrated and/or blames the refs. There was no consistency and it seemed like each ref had a different idea on the allowable amount of physicality, so that compounded the issue and made it confusing to the players and viewers.

IMO the allowed amount of physicality in the W does not make it fun to watch at times, and if they want to keep viewers, I think they need to tighten up the whistles and set new (and consistent) expectations.
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The officials in the WNBA, are worse this year then last.
There is way too much physical play in the league. It needs to be cleaned up quickly or some of the stars are going to be injured.
They are allowing as much contact as a Rugby scrum.
 
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cancontent said:
That moniker has no relevance to the point you're trying to make.
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It means she was basically unique, and someone who ESPN liked above all the rest because she was one of a kind. Hence why I said she got away with stuff no other player could do. She was favored on the media, she was favored on the court, and she was favored by the whistle.
 
yhun89 said:
It means she was basically unique, and someone who ESPN liked above all the rest because she was one of a kind. Hence why I said she got away with stuff no other player could do. She was favored on the media, she was favored on the court, and she was favored by the whistle.
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Referencing the media regarding hype and popularity, placing the onus on the media is valid.

You said earlier, you weren't implying the media/ESPN had impact on calls. If your point was that she was "favoured", that's on the BIG10 and the NCAA. Put the onus on the party/group that is responsible for it.
 
bballnut90 said:
I suggest watching the games. She's been getting mauled several times a game when she drives to the basket with no call and then has been getting whistled for committing invisible tick tack fouls. Here are a couple from tonight:

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A couple from previous games:

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Yes the league is physical, but if you've been watching games, she's received the brunt of a lot of the extremely physical plays in the early season.
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I’ve watched every game and you could pull clips like this for every player. Those aren’t egregious no calls to me anyways in this league based on the officiating. Both potential foul falls would have been before the shots anyways imo.

It’s true silliness to act like she’s gotten the brunt of extreme physical plays this season, the link some very soft foul no calls that every player deals with and ignore the most egregious no call of the season so far was when she locked Sami Whitcomb up in a bear hug in the first Seattle game.

The conspiracy theories need to stop and just support the narrative around Clark fans delusion with her. She’s having a great rookie season stats wise, one of the best rookie years in a long time. The refs and players aren’t out to get her specifically. She needs to adjust tot he WNBA, not the other way around.
 
yhun89 said:
Keep in mind this is the same player who was ESPN's golden goose in college and got away with just about anything. You can't tell me that if any other player bounced a ball off their head out of anger that they wouldn't get a technical. These refs just don't take BS from anybody because everybody's a star in this league. Plain and simple.
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How would she be ESPN's Golden goose? ESPN doesn't have any media rights to the BIG Ten. The only time they have any rights would be the NCAAs and if they happen to play a team that is associated with ESPN.
 
IArick said:
How would she be ESPN's Golden goose? ESPN doesn't have any media rights to the BIG Ten. The only time they have any rights would be the NCAAs and if they happen to play a team that is associated with ESPN.
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I’m not sayin she’s the golden goose but she is all ESPN has been speaking about. Last year this year… shoot I saw one of the shows asking if Indiana can turn their season around. Doesn’t matter that the big 10 didn’t have media rights
 
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nwhoopfan said:
Yeah, still awfully thin in the front court. Gustafson is only playing 11 mpg, Cannon doesn't even count. Clark must be playing the 4 a fair bit.
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Clark led the nation in scoring three times as an undersized post in college. I know the WNBA has more size ( a LOT more than whom she was playing at Belmont and Middle Tennessee), but she's a legit front-court player. 5-15 minutes at the 4 in the W is just fine for her.
 
Tip Hayes is a HUGE pickup! Didn't even think she'd be interested in a return to the W. I wonder what was the reason (or if there were 100,000 reasons). :D
 
GoChips20 said:
Wilson outdueled Collier in a battle between the two MVP frontrunners although at this point it’s abundantly clear to me Collier should’ve gone #1 in 2019 and probably most other years too.
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Who did go #1 in 2019? Or 2,3,4,5 for that matter?
 
VA Huskie said:
Who did go #1 in 2019? Or 2,3,4,5 for that matter?
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TheFarmFan said:
I don't think the Aces regret their pick one bit. Nor Dallas at 5. Agreed Collier should be in the mix with those two. Interesting that at this point Smith and Ezi would rise to being in the mix for the top 5 of this draft.
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Probably not but what has Dallas done since picking arike?
 
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TheFarmFan said:
I don't think the Aces regret their pick one bit. Nor Dallas at 5. Agreed Collier should be in the mix with those two. Interesting that at this point Smith and Ezi would rise to being in the mix for the top 5 of this draft.
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It's well on pace to being one of the best draft classes ever IMO:

-Jackie Young: 2 Championships, 2nd Team All-WNBA, current MVP candidate
-Napheesa Collier: 2x All-WNBA, current MVP candidate
-Arike Ogunbowale: 2x All-WNBA, current MVP candidate
-Ezi Magbegor: 2x All-WNBA Defensive team, turning into one of the better centers in the league, likely All Star this year
-Marina Mabrey: double digit scorer each season besides her first, likely All Star this year
-Teaira McCowan: double digit scorer every year
-Alanna Smith: double digit scorer this year
-Sophie Cunningham: double digit scorer 2 years
-Natisha Hiedeman: starter on WNBA runner up team
-Brianna Turner: 2x All-WNBA Defensive team

Plus others who have carved out solid careers as role players like Jessica Shepard, Katie Lou Samuelson, Kalani Brown, Megan Gustafson, and Bridget Carleton.

If I redrafted today, I'd probably go Young/Collier/Arike/Magbegor/McCowan/Mabrey/Smith for my top 7.
 
Geew1992 said:
Last I saw Bell was in a walking boot. But... Don't know how much she would play even if she was healthy
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I think if Bell were healthy, she'd be getting more minutes than Martin, who has stepped up in the absence of both Gray and Bell.
 
Looks like Sloot is out tonight.

Man...Storm kept K. Williams and Muhl, and shipped out Melbourne. I think that was a mistake.
 
Atlanta beat Vegas. Plum and Young gotta shoot better than 10-33 combined.
 
Connecticut over Dallas by 2, New York beat Washington by 11.

Minny thumping Phoenix currently.
 
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