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WhereistheDove? said:
These are two different concepts. No one is questioning that this has become a more pass-friendly league where passers are protected. It’s the concept that this somehow narrows the talent gap between elite and marginal talents. Everything is relative. It’s not as if these rules help the middling talents but do not help the elite talents. We do this on every single sport. We come up with some reason why the old days were somehow preferable or more talented than the current days.
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From a competitive balance standpoint, I think you could argue that the league is the healthiest it's ever been. It takes a minute to flip 4-12 into 12-4 with the way things are now. There's also the unavoidable reality that players, coaches, and organizations evolve over time. These guys are much smarter, better-trained, better-prepared, etc. than they were even a decade ago.

On the other hand I think you'd be hard pressed to say the product is more enjoyable. A lot of the things we do to improve the experience of watching a game don't actually end up improving the experience. I don't like unlimited replay, I don't like not having kickoffs anymore, I don't like not being able to hit people, assert your will at the line, chuck the ball down field, etc. I don't like the sharp drop-off in interceptions, I don't like coaches getting smarter, and I don't like the crack down on taunting, dancing, and every other behavior that might threaten Jim Nantz.

I still like the current game a lot. I get the sense that the product I'm watching now is about as far as I can go, though.
 
champs99and04 said:
From a competitive balance standpoint, I think you could argue that the league is the healthiest it's ever been. It takes a minute to flip 4-12 into 12-4 with the way things are now. There's also the unavoidable reality that players, coaches, and organizations evolve over time. These guys are much smarter, better-trained, better-prepared, etc. than they were even a decade ago.

On the other hand I think you'd be hard pressed to say the product is more enjoyable. A lot of the things we do to improve the experience of watching a game don't actually end up improving the experience. I don't like unlimited replay, I don't like not having kickoffs anymore, I don't like not being able to hit people, assert your will at the line, chuck the ball down field, etc. I don't like the sharp drop-off in interceptions, I don't like coaches getting smarter, and I don't like the crack down on taunting, dancing, and every other behavior that might threaten Jim Nantz.

I still like the current game a lot. I get the sense that the product I'm watching now is about as far as I can go, though.
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I don't even know where this conversation has gone now.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Of the top 25 all time rushing leaders, two are active players, and one of those mostly because he's ancient by RB standards (Gore).
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Crazy that UConn played Miami when Gore was still there - 2002, redshirted due to injury.
 
champs99and04 said:
The NFL has actually done a pretty good job scaling their rookie contracts in a way that maximizes competitive balance. Teams with younger quarterbacks have more resources to invest in the players around them, which leads people to overstate their performance in relation to veteran quarterbacks on questionable contracts. Add that to the fact that the newest toy is always going to look the shiniest, and you have the perfect formula for widespread mediocrity being interpreted as some sort of QB golden age.

As you say, there are still only a select number of guys who can play the position at that level. That's what makes the paradigm shift so tough to observe. It's still the most important position, because you can't win without one, but at the same time, everyone seems to have one nowadays. There just aren't many starting qb's in the league still that I don't think you can win big with provided the right roster around them. There aren't many Mark Sanchez's, Rex Grossman's, Kyle Boeller's, and Josh Allen's still out there. OK there is one.
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Where's Manziel?
 
Another game, another shootout. Luck and Brady have thrown for upwards of 700 yards.

If you're not throwing for 300 yards by breakfast in this league, you're going to be out of a job.
 
Waquoit said:
I don't think Tarkenton would have lasted 5 years today. And he was my favorite player.
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He was mobile, and the rules today don't allow you to even sack the qb without threat of a penalty. Hard to see how he wouldn't have lasted.
 
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Mahomes getting exposed tonight, his backyard Brett Favre style of play was gonna get exposed at some point. Pats were an easy pick tonight Chiefs weren't gonna go 16-0 anyways.
 
Scoe said:
Mahomes getting exposed tonight, his backyard Brett Favre style of play was gonna get exposed at some point. Pats were an easy pick tonight Chiefs weren't gonna go 16-0 anyways.
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Hes 19/31 for 273 and 2/2. Bradys 17/25 for 169 and 1/0 with a fumble. 4 point game in prime time in new england. He missed a couple early ones but the kids holdin his own against bill and tom.

Ball on the 4. Lets go chiefs!
 
UC313 said:
Hes 19/31 for 273 and 2/2. Bradys 17/25 for 169 and 1/0 with a fumble. 4 point game in prime time in new england. He missed a couple early ones but the kids holdin his own against bill and tom.

Ball on the 4. Lets go chiefs!
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Its over now Chiefs won't be getting the ball back and if they do they will be down 2 scores.
 
Scoe said:
Its over now Chiefs won't be getting the ball back and if they do they will be down 2 scores.
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Trading fgs for tds early on really hurt KC bad.
 
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UC313 said:
Trading fgs for tds early on really hurt KC bad.
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Well tie game now unfortunately way too much time for the Pats, they get it past midfield its ball game.
 
Mahomes is pretty good. Unfair on that play, I counted 3 Rutgers guys.
 
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Hell of a game, Chiefs really need Eric Berry and Justin Houston back.
 
imagine posting on here that this kid sucks. What a world we live in
 
Waquoit said:
Just a reminder, John Dorsey drafted Mahomes. I think that's why Reid had him fired. He didn't want to share credit.
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You probably are right. Dorsey is not getting credit for the pick now. He was before.
 
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Don't have a TV, so don't see NFL games but that Tyreke Hill WR is very fast. Incredible acceleration and speed. Freaking KC set up Mahomes for quick success.

Browns are lucky to get Dorsey.
 
Some of the time I wonder how much of it is Mahomes and how much of it is scheme/personnel. Between Hill, Kelce, Watkins, Hunt, etc., they have weapons out the ass. Not to mention, the o-line has been extremely good.

But he'll make a couple throws per game that are just from Mars, and that's enough for me to think he's the real deal. Just unreal arm talent, obviously he has a cannon, but to put it on the money from angles that would seem to disprove the laws of physics? Jeez, I think arm can be overrated at times in the NFL...but not that arm.

And yes it is the type of arm that occasionally will get him into trouble, which only makes him that much more fun to watch. The thing with Brady is even though he's the greatest of all time, he's boring. Would much rather watch Favre.
 
Butch said:
He's not boring for Patriots fans. Only saw him live twice; man is a robot.
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My brother is Jets fan and hates Brady and the Pats. Says Brady owes his whole career to Mo Lewis and the Jets.

I took him to a Jets/Pats game at Gillette and got there early. He was blown away by the amount of extra work Brady put in hours before the game. If Brady is underrated in any respect at this point it's probably how hard he works.
 
champs99and04 said:
Some of the time I wonder how much of it is Mahomes and how much of it is scheme/personnel. Between Hill, Kelce, Watkins, Hunt, etc., they have weapons out the ass. Not to mention, the o-line has been extremely good.

But he'll make a couple throws per game that are just from Mars, and that's enough for me to think he's the real deal. Just unreal arm talent, obviously he has a cannon, but to put it on the money from angles that would seem to disprove the laws of physics? Jeez, I think arm can be overrated at times in the NFL...but not that arm.

And yes it is the type of arm that occasionally will get him into trouble, which only makes him that much more fun to watch. The thing with Brady is even though he's the greatest of all time, he's boring. Would much rather watch Favre.
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The ball comes out of his hand like a cannon. It's really fun to watch him play
 
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