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Potential to be one heck of a QB class depending on how Trubisky develops and whether the Texans can put some semblance of an O-line in front of Watson to keep him from getting decapitated.
 
As a Chiefs fan, im excited. Stupid excited. Kids got “it”. That game was fun.
 
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tcf15 said:
And a case of what could've been for the Giants

Head bang
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Tank for Tua in 2020 it ok the Giants will draft another WR or RB in the 1st round.
 
Butch said:
Talent level at QB sure has evolved. Must be at an all-time high.
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Most of these guys suck. Anyone can play in today's game with the gimmick offenses and the head trauma specialists marching outside the stadiums.

Mahomes is fun to watch, though, I'll give him that.
 
Just a reminder, John Dorsey drafted Mahomes. I think that's why Reid had him fired. He didn't want to share credit.
 
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Maybe the Giants draft Mckenzie Milton if he leaves early? Bills, Browns. and Cards won't need a QB. Eli should retire or be released after this year.
 
champs99and04 said:
Must just be a coincidence then that points and total yards go up every year.
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Can anyone play baseball now because scoring has gone up since the dead ball era? The idea that rule changes in the NFL have somehow made it easier for QBs without talent to succeed is.... an opinion.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
Can anyone play baseball now because scoring has gone up since the dead ball era? The idea that rule changes in the NFL have somehow made it easier for QBs without talent to succeed is.... an opinion.
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It's made it easier for QBs without talent to put up numbers.
 
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champs99and04 said:
We're talking about changes that have mostly occurred within the last decade or so.
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I’m aware but it just reeks of an old man take on the situation. The idea that rules somehow lessen the talent gap between more and less talented players is just a bad take based in a lot of “back in my day”.
 
champs99and04 said:
We're talking about changes that have mostly occurred within the last decade or so.
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Points are on the uptick in September but lets see the average as we get into the winter weather part of the season. Average points per game was the lowest last year that it has been since 2009. Teams are moving the ball differently, not really scoring differently. Average scoring was higher in 1948 than it was last year. And I think the slight uptick of 1.5 ppg since the early 90s has more to do with enforcing penalties on defensive backs and not head trauma specialists marching outside. What a bad take. This contrarian schtick doesn't suit you.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
I’m aware but it just reeks of an old man take on the situation. The idea that rules somehow lessen the talent gap between more and less talented players is just a bad take based in a lot of “back in my day”.
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Not sure it lessens the talent gap so much as it forces us to grade more on a curve. When you watch Mahomes you can tell he has rare talent. Other guys you're less sure.
 
Walker11 said:
Points are on the uptick in September but lets see the average as we get into the winter weather part of the season. Average points per game was the lowest last year that it has been since 2009. Teams are moving the ball differently, not really scoring differently. Average scoring was higher in 1948 than it was last year. And I think the slight uptick of 1.5 ppg since the early 90s has more to do with enforcing penalties on defensive backs and not head trauma specialists marching outside. What a bad take. This contrarian schtick doesn't suit you.
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You're correct about much of that. However, the changes to the game should force us to be more cynical about quarterbacks in particular. Everything's about getting the ball out faster, using the middle of the field more, taking what the defense gives you, etc. Essentially, replicating New England's model. That's led to far higher completion percentages, passer ratings, and more passing attempts. Perhaps more importantly, interceptions are way down. That makes for a game where qb's have far greater margin for error than they used to.
 
champs99and04 said:
You're correct about much of that. However, the changes to the game should force us to be more cynical about quarterbacks in particular. Everything's about getting the ball out faster, using the middle of the field more, taking what the defense gives you, etc. Essentially, replicating New England's model. That's led to far higher completion percentages, passer ratings, and more passing attempts. Perhaps more importantly, interceptions are way down. That makes for a game where qb's have far greater margin for error than they used to.
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I understand not every QB is Daryle Lamonica but even if it's tweaks in design, most NFL teams can say right now that they are alright at QB. It still takes talent to execute successfully in the NFL. As proven by a bunch of excellent college players who still fail to succeed in the NFL. Paxton Lynch of Denver is the latest example.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
Can anyone play baseball now because scoring has gone up since the dead ball era? The idea that rule changes in the NFL have somehow made it easier for QBs without talent to succeed is.... an opinion.
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Yes, but a big part of the game used to be hammer young QBs to see if you could rattle them. You would see talented throwers get skittish. You can't hit QBs like that anymore.
 
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champs99and04 said:
You're correct about much of that. However, the changes to the game should force us to be more cynical about quarterbacks in particular. Everything's about getting the ball out faster, using the middle of the field more, taking what the defense gives you, etc. Essentially, replicating New England's model. That's led to far higher completion percentages, passer ratings, and more passing attempts. Perhaps more importantly, interceptions are way down. That makes for a game where qb's have far greater margin for error than they used to.
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It pains me to say that you're not wrong here. I disagree that the talent level isn't unusually high, I think it is. Bad QBs still fail in this league. Paxton Lynch, Osweiller. The fact that we are now seeing black QBs on a regular basis is reason enough for the talent pool to have increased. And that's a recent phenomena as well. Time was that Doug Williams, Cunningham and Moon were rare occurrences.

But the rule changes to protect the QB and protect receivers have clearly lead to a league where passing numbers of today can't be compared to those of the past. I don't think it's really New England's offensive system, there are a range of systems out there, but every single team is a pass first team. That is what has changed.
 
HuskyHawk said:
It pains me to say that you're not wrong here. I disagree that the talent level isn't unusually high, I think it is. Bad QBs still fail in this league. Paxton Lynch, Osweiller. The fact that we are now seeing black QBs on a regular basis is reason enough for the talent pool to have increased. And that's a recent phenomena as well. Time was that Doug Williams, Cunningham and Moon were rare occurrences.

But the rule changes to protect the QB and protect receivers have clearly lead to a league where passing numbers of today can't be compared to those of the past. I don't think it's really New England's offensive system, there are a range of systems out there, but every single team is a pass first team. That is what has changed.
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These are two different concepts. No one is questioning that this has become a more pass-friendly league where passers are protected. It’s the concept that this somehow narrows the talent gap between elite and marginal talents. Everything is relative. It’s not as if these rules help the middling talents but do not help the elite talents. We do this on every single sport. We come up with some reason why the old days were somehow preferable or more talented than the current days.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
These are two different concepts. No one is questioning that this has become a more pass-friendly league where passers are protected. It’s the concept that this somehow narrows the talent gap between elite and marginal talents. Everything is relative. It’s not as if these rules help the middling talents but do not help the elite talents. We do this on every single sport. We come up with some reason why the old days were somehow preferable or more talented than the current days.
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I simply think that, by the numbers, you can't compare eras. It isn't fair. What numbers would Staubach or Tarkington put up in this era? Huge numbers. Tarkington has huge numbers as it is. It works both ways. As good as Gurley or Bell are, they can't produce the yardage numbers of similarly talented guys who got 40 carries a game. Most teams don't even run 40 times a game.

Of the top 25 all time rushing leaders, two are active players, and one of those mostly because he's ancient by RB standards (Gore). Of the top 20 all time passing leaders, 7 are active. Brees should take over the top this weekend.

I think there are more quality QBs now than ever. Only a few teams in the whole league are weak at QB right now. That's unprecedented. Part of it may be the longevity of guys like Brady and Brees. We are also seeing rookies play well in a league not historically kind to rookie QBs. I do think the defensive rule changes help those rookies.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I simply think that, by the numbers, you can't compare eras. It isn't fair. What numbers would Staubach or Tarkington put up in this era? Huge numbers. Tarkington has huge numbers as it is. It works both ways. As good as Gurley or Bell are, they can't produce the yardage numbers of similarly talented guys who got 40 carries a game. Most teams don't even run 40 times a game.

Of the top 25 all time rushing leaders, two are active players, and one of those mostly because he's ancient by RB standards (Gore). Of the top 20 all time passing leaders, 7 are active. Brees should take over the top this weekend.

I think there are more quality QBs now than ever. Only a few teams in the whole league are weak at QB right now. That's unprecedented. Part of it may be the longevity of guys like Brady and Brees. We are also seeing rookies play well in a league not historically kind to rookie QBs. I do think the defensive rule changes help those rookies.
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No one is saying you can compare eras...
 
HuskyHawk said:
I simply think that, by the numbers, you can't compare eras. It isn't fair. What numbers would Staubach or Tarkington put up in this era?
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I don't think Tarkenton would have lasted 5 years today. And he was my favorite player.
 
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Butch said:
I understand not every QB is Daryle Lamonica but even if it's tweaks in design, most NFL teams can say right now that they are alright at QB. It still takes talent to execute successfully in the NFL. As proven by a bunch of excellent college players who still fail to succeed in the NFL. Paxton Lynch of Denver is the latest example.
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The NFL has actually done a pretty good job scaling their rookie contracts in a way that maximizes competitive balance. Teams with younger quarterbacks have more resources to invest in the players around them, which leads people to overstate their performance in relation to veteran quarterbacks on questionable contracts. Add that to the fact that the newest toy is always going to look the shiniest, and you have the perfect formula for widespread mediocrity being interpreted as some sort of QB golden age.

As you say, there are still only a select number of guys who can play the position at that level. That's what makes the paradigm shift so tough to observe. It's still the most important position, because you can't win without one, but at the same time, everyone seems to have one nowadays. There just aren't many starting qb's in the league still that I don't think you can win big with provided the right roster around them. There aren't many Mark Sanchez's, Rex Grossman's, Kyle Boeller's, and Josh Allen's still out there. OK there is one.
 
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