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Who knows where her career ends up accomplishment-wise (presumably it will be an all time great one if healthy) but player-wise, I have never seen a better WBB player than Clark.
 
Geew1992 said:
He def never watched WCBB before
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Lol.

Magic Johnson has forgotten more about assessing basketball players and talent than all of us on this and all message boards collectively think we know. If he watches her and says that....it matters and I believe him.
 
If she leads her team to a national championship win, then I’ll consider it
 
Clark played a game last night that no other women player could have played. I think all of us knew she was an incredible talent but what she did last night was remarkable in so many different ways. I really think she could have gotten to the basket on every possession if that is what she wanted to do. The last time I thought a player was head and shoulders above all others was when DT played at UCONN but at this point in their careers I would have to say Clark is the best and the margin is not that close.

Is she the GOAT? Well on this one I still think she would have to have a great career against the pros to get that title but I do think her impact on the WNBA could be up similar to what Jordan did for the NBA. People who never went to a game before will tune in just to watch her play.
 
Iluvacc2 said:
This! Holdsclaw’s mental health issues and off court activities prevented her from shining in the WNBA like she did in college. Make no mistake, she is still one of the best college players I ever seen (my top five: Holdsclaw, Taurasi, Parker, Moore, and Stewart) and had one of the top 3 freshman seasons ever along with Moore and Beuckers (I didn’t include Stewart, even though she started off on a tear and ended with a natty, she had a mid season lull, whereas the other 3 were great all season long). I’ve seen a few clips of Cheryl Miller and Holdsclaw was the first modern player to remind me of her with similar size, handles, and a mid range game that was out of this world.
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I first started watching WCBB because of Holdsclaw..I had never seen a woman that good
 
A couple of weeks ago a poster compared Clark to "Pistol Pete " Maravich..I think that is a good analogy
 
Rowdy831 said:
Clark played a game last night that no other women player could have played.
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It’s like everyone forgets players like Kelsey Plum who almost single-handedly lead a “nobody” team like Washington (who was a 7 seed!) to the final four back in 2016. They beat 2 Maryland, 3 Kentucky, and 4 Stanford (who had defeated 1 ND to advance) to get there, so it wasn’t like they were total slouches. Yes, Washington did lose in the FF, but CC has a much better team around her than Plum did.

Heck, what about Shoni taking it to Griner and beating Baylor back in 2013?

I’m not even going to mention UConn players. The point is that CC played a fantastic game but it wasn’t like she’s the only player EVER who is/was/will be capable of playing fantastic games when the lights are the brightest. Everyone will certainly look back on this game and remember it as a truly incredible and memorable performance, and that is more than enough without adding in hyperbole.
 
maple said:
It’s like everyone forgets players like Kelsey Plum who almost single-handedly lead a “nobody” team like Washington (who was a 7 seed!) to the final four back in 2016.
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I'm a huge Plum fan, but you are doing a big disservice to Osahor and Walton, who were both really good during that Tourney run.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I'm a huge Plum fan, but you are doing a big disservice to Osahor and Walton, who were both really good during that Tourney run.
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I stand corrected! I still think CC has a better overall ensemble around her but you’re right, Washington did not have total scrubs.
 
maple said:
It’s like everyone forgets players like Kelsey Plum who almost single-handedly lead a “nobody” team like Washington (who was a 7 seed!) to the final four back in 2016. They beat 2 Maryland, 3 Kentucky, and 4 Stanford (who had defeated 1 ND to advance) to get there, so it wasn’t like they were total slouches. Yes, Washington did lose in the FF, but CC has a much better team around her than Plum did.

Heck, what about Shoni taking it to Griner and beating Baylor back in 2013?

I’m not even going to mention UConn players. The point is that CC played a fantastic game but it wasn’t like she’s the only player EVER who is/was/will be capable of playing fantastic games when the lights are the brightest. Everyone will certainly look back on this game and remember it as a truly incredible and memorable performance, and that is more than enough without adding in hyperbole.
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She’s been playing great games pretty consistently throughout her career.
 
cohenzone said:
She’s been playing great games pretty consistently throughout her career.
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Again, she is not the only person who ever has. I was responding to the person who said no one could EVER have a game like CC had, which just isn’t true.
 
G0UCONN said:
Who knows where her career ends up accomplishment-wise (presumably it will be an all time great one if healthy) but player-wise, I have never seen a better WBB player than Clark.
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You probably haven't been around that long. (And I assume you mean CWBB player)

Miller, Holdsclaw, DT, Moore, Stewart were all head and shoulders above their peers. They all won multiple NPOY awards. All won multiple NCs.

Clark has been good/great for 3 years. And still has another year to add to her resume. But her resume is not there....yet.

Let's also remember, Clark as a freshmen, as good as she was, Bueckers (another freshmen) won the NPOY award. The only one ever to do that.
 
meyers7 said:
You probably haven't been around that long. (And I assume you mean CWBB player)

Miller, Holdsclaw, DT, Moore, Stewart were all head and shoulders above their peers. They all won multiple NPOY awards. All won multiple NCs.

Clark has been good/great for 3 years. And still has another year to add to her resume. But her resume is not there....yet.

Let's also remember, Clark as a freshmen, as good as she was, Bueckers (another freshmen) won the NPOY award. The only one ever to do that.
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I have been "around" forever and have never seen a better player than Clark. Taurasi is the comparable player to her IMO. Beckers is in the discussion if she can stay on the court.
 
meyers7 said:
You probably haven't been around that long. (And I assume you mean CWBB player)

Miller, Holdsclaw, DT, Moore, Stewart were all head and shoulders above their peers. They all won multiple NPOY awards. All won multiple NCs.

Clark has been good/great for 3 years. And still has another year to add to her resume. But her resume is not there....yet.

Let's also remember, Clark as a freshmen, as good as she was, Bueckers (another freshmen) won the NPOY award. The only one ever to do that.
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I can be stubborn too. All of those others had better supporting players, many also AA. She has no control over someone on the other team shooting better than she ever has (she wasn’t defending Carson i believe or the fact that she is pretty much the only playmaker on her team. Hint, Bill Russell could never have won a single championship without the best offense in the league. That this group at Iowa got to this game is pretty much her doing. I think you have a standard for judging individuals in a team sport that discounts the fact that it’s a team sport. If Paige plays all world for the next year (or two) but UConn doesn’t win an NC than I suppose she would fail your standard.
 
cohenzone said:
I can be stubborn too. All of those others had better supporting players, many also AA. She has no control over someone on the other team shooting better than she ever has (she wasn’t defending Carson i believe or the fact that she is pretty much the only playmaker on her team. Hint, Bill Russell could never have won a single championship without the best offense in the league. That this group at Iowa got to this game is pretty much her doing. I think you have a standard for judging individuals in a team sport that discounts the fact that it’s a team sport. If Paige plays all world for the next year (or two) but UConn doesn’t win an NC than I suppose she would fail your standard.
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Of course. You have to have a standard. ("she looks really good" isn't much of a standard) Otherwise Plum, Stiles, Griner, Wilson would be in the conversation for GOAT. But I don't see anyone talking about them. Nor should there be talk about Clark....at this point.

And you're correct it IS a TEAM sport. Hence you got to make your team win things....if you're gonna be in the GOAT conversation. Heck Clark hasn't even won a B1G League Title yet.

Heck why aren't you promoting Reese? She had a great season. She didn't have any better supporting players than Clark did???? Hmmm???? She "looked really good" this year too.
 
meyers7 said:
Of course. You have to have a standard. ("she looks really good" isn't much of a standard) Otherwise Plum, Stiles, Griner, Wilson would be in the conversation for GOAT. But I don't see anyone talking about them. Nor should there be talk about Clark....at this point.

And you're correct it IS a TEAM sport. Hence you got to make your team win things....if you're gonna be in the GOAT conversation. Heck Clark hasn't even won a B1G League Title yet.

Heck why aren't you promoting Reese? She had a great season. She didn't have any better supporting players than Clark did???? Hmmm???? She "looked really good" this year too.
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Nonsense. Reese is very talented, but that game was blown open by Carson. And Reese might show over her career that she us is in the discussion. Clark has had 3 top notch years and carried an otherwise average team to the NC game I’m just saying your standard is applying team results to an individual who game by game is special. So you are saying, for the record that if Paige comes back clearly playing at a level hardly anyone else has ever played at but UConn loses in an NC game on a 3 point heave from 3/4 court, she can’t be considered among the top few greats because that is your standard. And Ohtani can produce as he has over say 12 or more years but if his team never wins a WS because some other team is better, he cant be considered a top of the mountain great. Agreed?
 
cohenzone said:
Nonsense. Reese is very talented, but that game was blown open by Carson. And Reese might show over her career that she us is in the discussion. Clark has had 3 top notch years and carried an otherwise average team to the NC game I’m just saying your standard is applying team results to an individual who game by game is special. So you are saying, for the record that if Paige comes back clearly playing at a level hardly anyone else has ever played at but UConn loses in an NC game on a 3 point heave from 3/4 court, she can’t be considered among the top few greats because that is your standard. And Ohtani can produce as he has over say 12 or more years but if his team never wins a WS because some other team is better, he cant be considered a top of the mountain great. Agreed?
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Yea, to be a GOAT, you gotta win something.

And I said "season" about Reese, not "game".

Baseball may be a bit different, because it's much more individualistic than team oriented. As for Ohtani, well he is definitely unique being a pitcher who can hit. But to be considered for an all-time great, he'd have to start winning some Cy Young awards for pitching OR some batting titles for hitting.

However, I would never, ever, ever put a Dan Hurley player on any All-Time lists. (except and All-Time Dan Hurley list)
 
So many of these takes have already aged like milk after Iowa took the L. Clark isn't the GOAT in WCBB and she will never be the GOAT. Conversation over.
 
meyers7 said:
Yea, to be a GOAT, you gotta win something.

And I said "season" about Reese, not "game".

Baseball may be a bit different, because it's much more individualistic than team oriented. As for Ohtani, well he is definitely unique being a pitcher who can hit. But to be considered for an all-time great, he'd have to start winning some Cy Young awards for pitching OR some batting titles for hitting.

However, I would never, ever, ever put a Dan Hurley player on any All-Time lists. (except and All-Time Dan Hurley list)
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Considering your standard, I guess Reese IS an all time great. Won that NC.
 
Waquoit said:
Clark needs to win something. Otherwise she's just another Iverson.
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It’s a freaking team sport. There is every chance that while Stewie was the difference maker on her NC teams, take away Clark from Iowa and substitute Stewie, Stewie might have had 0 NCs with the same teammates Clark had. Della Donne pretty much had zero chance of winning an NC at Delaware and might have won 4 at UConn. There are just some outcomes a single player can’t control and to boot, the number of NC level competitve teams is far deeper then when Diana and even Maya played. But whatever.
 
hoopsnloops32 said:
So many of these takes have already aged like milk after Iowa took the L. Clark isn't the GOAT in WCBB and she will never be the GOAT. Conversation over.
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You are mixing two topics, accomplishments and player level/skills.

I have never seen a better player than Clark. As good as there has ever been as a player.

Will she ever accomplish as much as Taurasi and others whilat she is at Iowa as other stars did at UConn or their school? No. Not close (though getting Iowa to the finals basically by yourself is not bad).
 
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