Magic declares Caitlin Clarke 2nd to Diana

[hoopsnloops32]

Poor Kelsey. Forgotten already. she still holds the NCAA all-time scoring record.

Women's college basketball all-time DI scoring leaders

These are the top 25 scorers in the history of DI women's college basketball, led by Iowa's Caitlin Clark.

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Kelsey Plum - Women's Basketball - University of Washington Athletics

Kelsey Plum (10) Guard - AT WASHINGTON - All-time NCAA scoring leader with 3,527 points - Broke single-season NCAA scoring record with 1,109 points in 2016-1...

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People's recency bias is crazy. Unfortunately for Caitlin she will be similarly forgotten without a National Championship in a year or two as well.

 

[hoopsnloops32]

From what I have seen she is lights out from everywhere although most shots are 3s back to NBA 3 range and drives to hoop. Plus an incredible passer and court vision. An offensive complete force....

She not even a 40% 3pt shooter...

 

[msf22b]

I thought it might be a good idea with all the talk of Diana vs Catlin to review Diana's exploits in the 2003 Championship game...and others to follow.

The "folks tale" about that game and season is that D lead a young, inexperienced and not overly talented squad to a Natty, virtually singlehandedly; defeating (potentially) a (far?) superior team...maybe settle for superior.

The reality: The UConn kids were certainly younger...no seniors but a really first-class group to which if you attached a super-star, you had a helluva team...

Jr guard Maria Conlon...the only upperclassman along with D, was an adept point (no turnovers) and was in the process of establishing her rep as an excellent 3-point shooter.

The Sophs Jessica Moore and Ashley Battle and the
Freshman: Ann Strother, Barbara Turner and Willnet Crocket, were fearless and gifted...Strother had a great scoring game and was anointed the next great...If she fell a little short (in future seasons) it was because she didn't have a Diana to take the pressure and responsibility off her...

So, by no means was this a mediocre group and putting an all time great along side them was enough to put them over the top.

I submit that in toto. though a bit undersized, they were a slightly better team than UTenn...which was confirmed by their two wins and the championship...

The next season, with exactly the same group (why no freshman?) and against a lesser UTenn team, the results were duplicated.

The only conclusion I can put forth at this time is that in 2003, D was remarkable, amazing, unstoppable, but that then kids around her were hardly chopped matzah.

 

[maple]

Poor Kelsey. Forgotten already. she still holds the NCAA all-time scoring record.

Thank you for this, Nan. She was a force. One of my favorite (non-UConn, but still Husky ) WCBB players.

 

[maple]

If she leads her team to a national championship win, then I’ll consider it

So I guess that's a no, now?

 

[maple]

I have never seen a better player than Clark. As good as there has ever been as a player.

When I see Caitlin sprint from one end of the court to the other to block the shot of an opposing player on a breakaway (and not get called for a foul) then I will concede she is one of the greats.

 

[HuskyNan]

People's recency bias is crazy. Unfortunately for Caitlin she will be similarly forgotten without a National Championship in a year or two as well.

It’s also like Jackie Stiles, Sabrina Ionescu, and Elena Delle-Donne never existed either

 

[HuskyNan]

From what I have seen she is lights out from everywhere although most shots are 3s back to NBA 3 range and drives to hoop. Plus an incredible passer and court vision. An offensive complete force....

How many games have you seen with Caitlin play? I ask because most of you men’s board guys watch only tournament or other big games and extrapolate entire seasons from them.

 

[G0UCONN]

How many games have you seen with Caitlin play? I ask because most of you men’s board guys watch only tournament or other big games and extrapolate entire seasons from them.

Yes I meet that definition. Big 10 tourney and NCAA games.

 

[meyers7]

Considering your standard, I guess Reese IS an all time great. Won that NC.

How would that be????? She has won 1 NC, not multiple. Has only 1 AA, and never has won a NPOY??? Are not reading what I am posting???

 

[meyers7]

I disagree. She is Curry-esque and has as good or better offensive skills as anyone who has played. I don't care about stats, just watching her play and her dominance on the court. She is different.

Curry isn't in the GOAT conversation either.

 

[nwhoopfan]

I can only speak for myself, but I haven't forgotten about Plum. Pretty sure no UW fan ever will. Probably the entirety of wbb fans in Pac 12 country still remember her quite well. Not to mention that after an adjustment period, she is currently thriving in the WNBA and on the international stage.

 

[cohenzone]

How would that be????? She has won 1 NC, not multiple. Has only 1 AA, and never has won a NPOY??? Are not reading what I am posting???

I’m kidding you. But your standard is ridiculous. One player, not Taurasi, not Moore, not Stewart, nor any other great player can single-handedly do a damn thing to win a title . I can make a case that Clark has brought her team to accomplish something few other players could bring a similar group of teammates to do. Unlike UConn and virtually all other national champs, the Iowa roster is not stacked with three or more very highly regarded high school players. Good for sure, but not a single other one that can step in and worry other good teams They need Clark to play great every game to be beyond average. UConn was viewed as a possible NC this year without Paige and with a banged up group. Without Clark Iowa was maybe a bubble team.

 

[Kaizen]

It’s also like Jackie Stiles, Sabrina Ionescu, and Elena Delle-Donne never existed either

And people forget Maya too.

 

[G0UCONN]

Curry isn't in the GOAT conversation either.

If the category is shooter he is probably no. 1 of all time. As to point guard he is top 5 ever.

 

[G0UCONN]

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[maple]

It’s also like Jackie Stiles, Sabrina Ionescu, and Elena Delle-Donne never existed either

Or Breanna Stewart, for that matter.

(BTW, there's a big mural of 4 'Cuse locals in downtown and Stewie is one of them. I personally enjoy driving by it every week. )

 

[cohenzone]

It’s also like Jackie Stiles, Sabrina Ionescu, and Elena Delle-Donne never existed either

Pronouncing Clark as only behind DT as the GOAT is probably siily. Requiring her to gain a special status only if her team wins a championship is a standard that ignores a lot of factors on how a team wins a title, including what the competition is and how teammates play. Della Donne was never going to win a college NC at Delaware. I need to have it explained how that changed her individual greatness.

 

[The deacon]

How many games have you seen with Caitlin play? I ask because most of you men’s board guys watch only tournament or other big games and extrapolate entire seasons from them.

Good question, Nan... I'll answer, and hopefully Hoops, Meyers and a few others who diss Clark can answer, too.

I've been a fan of Iowa for many years, my second favorite team after the Huskies, and Caitlin's arrival really caught my interest in the fall of '20. I would estimate I've seen her play 40 to 50 of her college games, plus some of her USA team games, and that would include all of the Hawkeyes' numerous Big Ten tournament games, and the NCAA games for three years, for which Iowa has an 8-3 record.

I'd say that would give me a reasonable perspective on Caitlin's quality as a player, and also the strides she's made over the three seasons.

She is so much more than some of you credit her for, and those who compare her to players like Iverson, come on? You embarrass yourselves. I'd be as thrilled as anyone to see Paige come back as healthy and gifted as ever, but that still wouldn't take away from my amazement and joy of watching the accomplishments and greatness of Caitlin Clark.

By the way, Nan, I'll never forget Stiles, Ionescu or Delle-Donne... I wish we had the chance to see the latter play more in college and now, I suppose, even in the WNBA.

 

[The deacon]

When I see Caitlin sprint from one end of the court to the other to block the shot of an opposing player on a breakaway (and not get called for a foul) then I will concede she is one of the greats.

Oh, yeah, Maple, I have seen Caitlin do just that, and more than once. the myth that she either doesn't play defense or doesn't hustle on defense is just that. What happened vs. LSU wasn't within her control. The team plan dictated she keep her distance from three-point shooters, plus she was early saddled with fouls. That team plan didn't age well, did it?

 

[msf22b]

And people forget Maya too.

Not me

 

[The deacon]

She not even a 40% 3pt shooter...

DT's three-point success rate at UConn was 39 percent. Her overall shooting was 47 percent, the same as Caitlin.

Not many shoot higher than 40 percent from three, and very unusually a point guard... Paige might be best example of such rarified air.

 

[maple]

Oh, yeah, Maple, I have seen Caitlin do just that, and more than once. the myth that she either doesn't play defense or doesn't hustle on defense is just that. What happened vs. LSU wasn't within her control. The team plan dictated she keep her distance from three-point shooters, plus she was early saddled with fouls. That team plan didn't age well, did it?

Is there a highlight of it anywhere? Asking genuinely because the few times I have watched CC play I haven’t seen it.

 

[meyers7]

If the category is shooter he is probably no. 1 of all time. As to point guard he is top 5 ever.

Sure, but that's not GOAT. Maybe he's in for GPGOAT.

For some you on here, there seems to be a huge disconnect between a very, very good, great, tremendous player and GOAT. There are lots of really good, great players. There is only 1 GOAT, and only a couple of names in the conversation for GOAT.

Take UCONN WBB for instance. Bird, Lobo, Charles, Abrosimova, all great, great players. But none of them are in the conversation for GOAT for UCONN WBB. That's reserved for DT, Moore and Stewart.

 

[meyers7]

I’m kidding you. But your standard is ridiculous. One player, not Taurasi, not Moore, not Stewart, nor any other great player can single-handedly do a damn thing to win a title . I can make a case that Clark has brought her team to accomplish something few other players could bring a similar group of teammates to do. Unlike UConn and virtually all other national champs, the Iowa roster is not stacked with three or more very highly regarded high school players. Good for sure, but not a single other one that can step in and worry other good teams They need Clark to play great every game to be beyond average. UConn was viewed as a possible NC this year without Paige and with a banged up group. Without Clark Iowa was maybe a bubble team.

Well your standard of she looks really good is pretty ridiculous too. At least my standard has some measurables.

But forget NCs, since you don't seem to think they mean much. Clark only has 1 NPOY award. All the conversation players I've mentioned have multiple NPOY awards. Without counting NC's (the most important thing to all most all players, but not you) Clark still isn't in the conversation for GOAT.

Face it, your "she looks good to me" is and irrelevant standard (let alone ridiculous).

 

[G0UCONN]

Sure, but that's not GOAT. Maybe he's in for GPGOAT.

For some you on here, there seems to be a huge disconnect between a very, very good, great, tremendous player and GOAT. There are lots of really good, great players. There is only 1 GOAT, and only a couple of names in the conversation for GOAT.

Take UCONN WBB for instance. Bird, Lobo, Charles, Abrosimova, all great, great players. But none of them are in the conversation for GOAT for UCONN WBB. That's reserved for DT, Moore and Stewart.

And as great as they all are, Clark is as good or better than any of them. Don't trust me....listen to Magic Johnson who has forgotten more about this stuff than you and I know.

 

[cohenzone]

Well your standard of she looks really good is pretty ridiculous too. At least my standard has some measurables.

But forget NCs, since you don't seem to think they mean much. Clark only has 1 NPOY award. All the conversation players I've mentioned have multiple NPOY awards. Without counting NC's (the most important thing to all most all players, but not you) Clark still isn't in the conversation for GOAT.

Face it, your "she looks good to me" is and irrelevant standard (let alone ridiculous).

Face it, you are applying a team standard to an individual. Its an impossible “measurable” for an individual to meet. Moreover, Clark is playing at a time when there are a few other impact players like Bueckers and Boston who both happen to have way better supporting casts. And Clark got her pretty limited team to the final wheras Boston didn’t. So use your “measurable”. I’ll use my eyes.

 

[meyers7]

And as great as they all are, Clark is as good or better than any of them. Don't trust me....listen to Magic Johnson who has forgotten more about this stuff than you and I know.

And you have nothing measurable to prove that. While I do.

 

[meyers7]

Face it, you are applying a team standard to an individual. Its an impossible “measurable” for an individual to meet. Moreover, Clark is playing at a time when there are a few other impact players like Bueckers and Boston who both happen to have way better supporting casts. And Clark got her pretty limited team to the final wheras Boston didn’t. So use your “measurable”. I’ll use my eyes.

Again, ridiculous. But if that's the way you choose to be, I can't help you. I've given you all the facts, you just don't like 'em.

 

[cohenzone]

Well your standard of she looks really good is pretty ridiculous too. At least my standard has some measurables.

But forget NCs, since you don't seem to think they mean much. Clark only has 1 NPOY award. All the conversation players I've mentioned have multiple NPOY awards. Without counting NC's (the most important thing to all most all players, but not you) Clark still isn't in the conversation for GOAT.

Face it, your "she looks good to me" is and irrelevant standard (let alone ridiculous).

Face it, you are applying a team standard to an individual. Its an impossible “measurable” for an individual to meet. Moreover, Clark is playing at a time when there are a few other impact players like Bueckers and Boston who both happen to have way better supporting casts. And Clark got her pretty limited team to the final wheras Boston didn’t. So use your “measurable”. I’ll use

Again, ridiculous. But if that's the way you choose to be, I can't help you. I've given you all the facts, you just don't like 'em.

Face it! I‘m giving you logic. If it’s not your strong suit, I forgive you. Go Huskies. .