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[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

If WVU heads to the sec, and louisville and Cincy head to the Big 12, doesn't Notre Dame joining the ACC become a lot more likely?

No, but why would you expect such a scenario?

 

[metsfan2323]

I have covered this elsewhere. The right way to sell UConn to the ACC would be to make it look like UConn would succeed without the ACC. You must always leave yourself options, and more importantly, the buyer needs to think you have options.

If the ACC thinks that if UConn doesn't join it will become a MAC team, why bother paying for UConn?

Aren't you also the person who is adament that we stay with the baskeball schools? Newsflash for you, the basketball schools aren't letting the Big East expand football the way it needs to be expanded, (hence Navy and AirForce last week). The football league is paralyzed and everyone knows it. Our poker face would have been seen as a bluff.

 

[NutmegState]

No, but why would you expect such a scenario?

Because ND does play other sports, and if there is no big east, they'll need to put those sports somewhere.

 

[UCHuskies08]

Nelson - you had it right that we weren't getting into the ACC and are probably left with whatever the Big East is going to be, barring other major realignment changes.

You've had it wrong by constantly blaming Herbst. Louisville would NOT have agreed to have their TV rights locked. Louisville has been backroom dealing just like everyone else. They didn't get a ticket out because of their AD's poker face, they got it because they actually fit into the Big 12 geographically. Nothing Herbst did caused this, no one was saving the Big East. As the nursery rhyme goes:

Humpty Dumpty (the Big East) sat on a wall
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
All the King's (Herbst's) horses and all the King's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.

 

[JaYnYcE]

I'll make you an offer Waylon. When the dust settles if we don't end up in a BCS conference I'll go away and never post again. If we do I'll expect you to do the same. Fair deal Mr Gloom & Doom?

We will be in a BCS conference. Believe it. It would be dumb to think otherwise.

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[UConnJim]

I have said this before and I will say it again. Protecting the basketball franchise will become the top priority. If BE football collapses, it will be an option to stay with BE basketball and then look for a home for the football team until a better conference spot opens up. We are not making BCS money in football today as we expected to with the next TV contract. Thus, becoming an independent in football for a short time would be an option as the financial hit would not be that bad. Remember, in theory, there will be 3 more BE football seasons, including this one. Also, Boise St. And TCU seem to do ok without a BCS league. So did Louisville before the BE and Utah before the PAC 12. Fans and donors would have to step up to keep developing the athletic programs.

 

[Scalito]

Aren't you also the person who is adament that we stay with the baskeball schools? Newsflash for you, the basketball schools aren't letting the Big East expand football the way it needs to be expanded, (hence Navy and AirForce last week). The football league is paralyzed and everyone knows it. Our poker face would have been seen as a bluff.

I believe that Herbst has ably played the cards we were dealt. However, the idea of staying with the basketball schools until something better (like an ACC invite) comes around is a good one becuase it's the only way to retain the one thing of value we retain: the Big East name. It's not like by leaving the Big East and the basketball schools we will have better opportunities to add marquee football programs.

 

[zls44]

I have said this before and I will say it again. Protecting the basketball franchise will become the top priority. If BE football collapses, it will be an option to stay with BE basketball and then look for a home for the football team until a better conference spot opens up. We are not making BCS money in football today as we expected to with the next TV contract. Thus, becoming an independent in football for a short time would be an option as the financial hit would not be that bad. Remember, in theory, there will be 3 more BE football seasons, including this one. Also, Boise St. And TCU seem to do ok without a BCS league. So did Louisville before the BE and Utah before the PAC 12. Fans and donors would have to step up to keep developing the athletic programs.

Protecting BCS status is more important. That's harder to make up.

 

[Sean]

I can't believe no one pointed out the irony of Waylon joking about us playing Akron in 3 years. If Akron applied to the Big East, he would WHOLEHEARTEDLY support them and claim that they are an upgrade over Pitt and 'Cuse.

 

[Scalito]

Protecting BCS status is more important. That's harder to make up.

If protecting the Big East's BCS status was possible, I might agree. But it isn't. We must, therefore, protect basketball first and foremost. It's our only hope to stay relevant if we don't get an invite to a BCS conference in the short term.

 

[zls44]

If protecting the Big East's BCS status was possible, I might agree. But it isn't. We must, therefore, protect basketball first and foremost. It's our only hope to stay relevant if we don't get an invite to a BCS conference in the short term.

If UConn isn't a BCS team, they should just drop the program. BCS is an overwhelming concern.

They can stay perfectly relevant outside a BCS conference.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

If protecting the Big East's BCS status was possible, I might agree. But it isn't. We must, therefore, protect basketball first and foremost. It's our only hope to stay relevant if we don't get an invite to a BCS conference in the short term.

A league with USF, TCU, WVU doesn't have a BCS bid? The idea of losing a BCS bid is a myth anyways (unless the conference completely disbands).

 

[ConnHuskBask]

If UConn isn't a BCS team, they should just drop the program. BCS is an overwhelming concern.

They can stay perfectly relevant outside a BCS conference.

Huh?

 

[UCHuskies08]

I do kinda feel since the BCS has already been brought up to Capitol Hill for antitrust reasons, they probably won't touch the Big East's BCS status.... the only question is does the conference actually stay together

 

[Mr.Phat]

Delany won't call until if/when we get admitted to the AAU...Nebraska was a member when they came aboard altgough they are not now.

Not true. Big 10 knew that Nebraska was losing its AAU accreditation from what I read. Nebraska had been warned it was in danger of losing it. Perhaps it made an exception for Nebraska but the B10 admitted a non-AAU school.

 

[zls44]

Huh?

I meant basketball could. My bad.

 

[Mr.Phat]

Do you know what Game Theory is? If you don't, look it up before we continue this discussion.

Actually game theory is an excellent decision making tool in this situation where multiple parties have multiple options. A guy at Yale by the name of Nalebuff is a pioneer in the field. I read his book in the 90s. Herbst ought to hire him. Then our superior buddies down the road can show the school in Storrs what real intellectual firepower is all about.

 

[UConnJim]

Mr. Phat -

The Big 10 did not know that Nebraska was going to be booted from the AAU. Why? First, Nebraska was in the AAU when they were accepted and second, no school had ever been voted out of the AAU until Nebraska. Nebraska was voted out for debatable technical reasons and the vote is probably the most controversial thing the AAU has ever done and it will probably never be done again. Two interesting side notes: 1) It is rumored that 2 Big 10 schools voted for Nebraska's ouster and 2) Notre Dame, which has supposedly been offered a spot in the Big 10 a couple of times, is not an AAU member.

 

[upstater]

Mr. Phat -

The Big 10 did not know that Nebraska was going to be booted from the AAU. Why? First, Nebraska was in the AAU when they were accepted and second, no school had ever been voted out of the AAU until Nebraska. Nebraska was voted out for debatable technical reasons and the vote is probably the most controversial thing the AAU has ever done and it will probably never be done again. Two interesting side notes: 1) It is rumored that 2 Big 10 schools voted for Nebraska's ouster and 2) Notre Dame, which has supposedly been offered a spot in the Big 10 a couple of times, is not an AAU member.

You keep repeating this but its all untrue. The committee that tossed them was headed by Big 10 presidents. Nebraska was up for ousting BEFORE they joined the Big10. But the head of the committee purposely delayed the vote because she didn't have enough of them to bring the vote to a general vote. When the new committee was formulated, only then did they have enough votes. AND, they weren't tossed but for technical reasons. They were tossed out for not pulling their weight.

 

[upstater]

Not true. Big 10 knew that Nebraska was losing its AAU accreditation from what I read. Nebraska had been warned it was in danger of losing it. Perhaps it made an exception for Nebraska but the B10 admitted a non-AAU school.

Nebraska was indeed warned by Penn State's Prez (who was the former Nebraska head) as well as Northwestern's. The warning though occurred shortly after entry into the Big10. But Nebraska's president had plenty of reason to suspect something was afoot when the committee vote to oust Nebraska was postponed for several months. This happened prior to UN joining the Big10.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I'll make you an offer Waylon. When the dust settles if we don't end up in a BCS conference I'll go away and never post again. If we do I'll expect you to do the same. Fair deal Mr Gloom & Doom?

We will be in a BCS conference. Believe it. It would be dumb to think otherwise.

Once again sportsart is unhappy with something and decides its my fault.

 

[Scalito]

A league with USF, TCU, WVU doesn't have a BCS bid?

I don't think it does. And I don't think TCU thinks it does either, which is why I expect we'll never find out. TCU will slink back to its regional conference and forgo the extra traveling expenses it will incurr to play in a non-BCS Big East, thereby preventing us from discovering who is wrong (for the record, I hope you are right....).

 

[jpm25]

Mr. Phat -

The Big 10 did not know that Nebraska was going to be booted from the AAU. Why? First, Nebraska was in the AAU when they were accepted and second, no school had ever been voted out of the AAU until Nebraska. Nebraska was voted out for debatable technical reasons and the vote is probably the most controversial thing the AAU has ever done and it will probably never be done again. Two interesting side notes: 1) It is rumored that 2 Big 10 schools voted for Nebraska's ouster and 2) Notre Dame, which has supposedly been offered a spot in the Big 10 a couple of times, is not an AAU member.

Didn't the outster vote take place before Nebraska got into the B1G, and wasn't it a few B1G schools that cast the vote?

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

if the acc loses 2 or 3 teams to the sec and then we get just a acc invite, i think we still go at this point.

Really, you think UConn would still accept an ACC invitation. Yup, that would "Shock the world".

 

[SAMCRO]

I don't think it does. And I don't think TCU thinks it does either, which is why I expect we'll never find out. TCU will slink back to its regional conference and forgo the extra traveling expenses it will incurr to play in a non-BCS Big East, thereby preventing us from discovering who is wrong (for the record, I hope you are right....).

Disagree. If (this is a huge if right now) the BE did in fact have TCU and WVU, the AQ status is fine. Shoot, just adding TCU and having SU rankings transfer to the ACC makes the BE a higher ranked league than the ACC. The problem is the remaining schools will not be in the BE 3 years from now.

 

[upstater]

I don't think it does. And I don't think TCU thinks it does either, which is why I expect we'll never find out. TCU will slink back to its regional conference and forgo the extra traveling expenses it will incurr to play in a non-BCS Big East, thereby preventing us from discovering who is wrong (for the record, I hope you are right....).

Traveling expenses are not only higher for TCU in the MW, the distances are longer. Dallas to Boise and Fresno. Check it out.

 

[Scalito]

Traveling expenses are not only higher for TCU in the MW, the distances are longer. Dallas to Boise and Fresno. Check it out.

I'll take you word for it, but the pessimist in me still makes me think that TCU doesn't stick around for very long in the Big East.

 

[upstater]

I'll take you word for it, but the pessimist in me still makes me think that TCU doesn't stick around for very long in the Big East.

The reason they won't stick around is because the league is unstable, not because of distances.

 

[UConnJim]

Upstater - the "technical" reasons that I am citing are these: Unlike most AAU members, The University of Nebraska's medical school is not included as part of Nebraska's research as they are separate entities. The other technical reason has to do with the exclusion of Dept of Agriculture research in determining total research dollars, but including the ag professors in determining research per faculty member. Both of these issues pushed Nebraska over the edge. I consider these technical issues, whereas others may not.

As for what did the Big 10 know, when they voted in Nebraska, they knew they were under review by the AAU, but since no member had ever been voted out, the Big 10 probably didn't think it would happen. The AAU vote was taken after they were voted into the Big 10, but before they officially joined. I guess the Big 10 could have decided at the last minute not to allow Nebraska in, but ...

 

[upstater]

Upstater - the "technical" reasons that I am citing are these: Unlike most AAU members, The University of Nebraska's medical school is not included as part of Nebraska's research as they are separate entities. The other technical reason has to do with the exclusion of Dept of Agriculture research in determining total research dollars, but including the ag professors in determining research per faculty member. Both of these issues pushed Nebraska over the edge. I consider these technical issues, whereas others may not.

As for what did the Big 10 know, when they voted in Nebraska, they knew they were under review by the AAU, but since no member had ever been voted out, the Big 10 probably didn't think it would happen. The AAU vote was taken after they were voted into the Big 10, but before they officially joined. I guess the Big 10 could have decided at the last minute not to allow Nebraska in, but ...

Since Carnegie does not include ag. research dollars in their VHR class, it's no surprise to anyone that ag dollars don't count. Ag research is pure pork, it doesn't go to review, it's not awarded based on the strength of a proposal's merits. You have a point about the medical center, but how much are we talking about? Nebraska's research # is incredibly low.

As for what the Big10 knew, the person heading the committee was a Big10 president. The other core committee member that instigated the ousting was also Big10. Nebraska's President actually ACCUSED the Big10 Presidents that voted against the school of colluding and fixing the ouster. Why? Because they were set to vote on Nebraska (they didn't have the votes) and then postponed the vote to a later date (several months later) when the new committee was constituted. This tells me that certain Big10 Presidents were out to eject Nebraska out of the AAU long before it joined the Big10.

Besides, I just don't put much stock in the AAU as an academic organization. It's not.