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Local prep coaches weigh in on UConn's status in recruiting world

I like Coach Hart, wished it was that easy with the league but while I dislike Quinn he is somewhat right about the league. (he is still a crappy coach, overrated)

Good read though.
 
Chief00 said:
Article quoted one guy I don't trust (Quinn) and referenced another guy I don't trust as far as UConn is concerned (Miller). It basically confirmed what I heard about Miller back stabbing UConn with MAL after getting fired. There's a reason this dude did not get a job. It's human nature to want to trash your former employer or boss after getting fired but it seldom helps in the effort to land a new job. Glen Miller has really hurt himself in that regard. His tantrum after being fired is not professional and his entitlement outlook and inability to look at recent results objectively don't serve the dude well.
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Miller was days away from getting his pention from the state before KO fired him in April. It is the reason why Calhoun reacted the way he did after KO let him go. The MAL thing is small stuff. I'd be shocked if Miller doesnt sue.
 
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LoveMeSomeUC said:
Miller was days away from getting his pention from the state before KO fired him in April. It is the reason why Calhoun reacted the way he did after KO let him go. The MAL thing is small stuff. I'd be shocked if Miller doesnt sue.
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How did JC react? I've never seen anything.
 
mauconnfan said:
How did JC react? I've never seen anything.
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It's a strange story too since almost all colleges today run pensions similar to 401ks or 403bs. This is true of about a dozen state universities that I know of. It is usually 10% of salary with the employee contributing an amount (3-5% of salary) for the first 10 years before being vested (employer contributes full amount). But this is only while you are employed there. UConn might be running things the old school way.
 
upstater said:
You're responding to a poster who was so disappointed when UConn won the 2014 NC that he never bothered to come back and post on this board from early March of 2014 until the Wagner loss.

"Since 2010 there have been teams from lesser leagues..."

Since 2010 there has only been one team from a mid major that won the NC. One team. And free hated it when it happened.
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For an English major it is interesting that you didn't read what I wrote. Of course I've become used to you misquoting so no surprise. I said there have been teams from lesser leagues in the Final Four and the title game. Butler went twice (2010, 2011) Gonzaga once (2017) and VCU (2011) went to the Final Four as did Wichita State (2013). If you go bac a few years further you can add 3-4 others from C-USA (Marquette Memphis, Louisville) and the Colonial (George F#^*%ing Mason).
 
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freescooter said:
For an English major it is interesting that you didn't read what I wrote. Of course I've become used to you misquoting so no surprise. I said there have been teams from lesser leagues in the Final Four and the title game. Butler went twice (2010, 2011) Gonzaga once (2017) and VCU (2011) went to the Final Four as did Wichita State (2013). If you go bac a few years further you can add 3-4 others from C-USA (Marquette Memphis, Louisville) and the Colonial (George F#^*%ing Mason).
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In the context of disparaging Ollie, that is a nonsense quote, seeing as Ollie is the only coach to lead his team to a national championship for the non-P6 conferences.

Here's your whole quote: "Since 2010 there have been teams in the final four--heck in the Final game--from supposed lesser leagues half the time. So claiming it can't be done is nothing but a cop out. It is an excuse, not a reason for UConn's decline. The reasons are that we have a mediocre head coach who is not a great recruiter."

You're actually bagging on Ollie for not being able to do (since 2010, as you wrote) what a bunch of teams have done.
 
From my distillation of the quotes it was basically UConn is still a huge brand that should be able to continue to recruit well. That KO is still held in high regard. That UConn has two asst. coaches who are well regarded for their recruiting ability. AND that the AAC is the biggest drag when it comes to recruiting. One is true, hopefully 2 and 3 are true and 4 is definitely true. I didn't find much to be offended about in that article. Yes, we lost MAL but the double whammy of Miller being fired and CV emerging MAL's decision makes more sense. And the Waters situation, considering all the drama I'm not sure if that is a loss for UConn. I certainly don't consider it a recruiting black eye. Some kids dream of playing for their state school and others want to get away. It happens everywhere. And everywhere people p--- and moan about it.
 
LoveMeSomeUC said:
Miller was days away from getting his pention from the state before KO fired him in April. It is the reason why Calhoun reacted the way he did after KO let him go. The MAL thing is small stuff. I'd be shocked if Miller doesnt sue.
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Surely there must be some work at Uconn that Miller can do other than BB that would qualify him for the little time he allegedly needs. Also, he was an assistant from 1988-1993 and asst. head coach from 2010 to 2017. How many freakin' years do you have to work their to qualify for a pension?
 
dennismenace said:
Surely there must be some work at UConn that Miller can do other than BB that would qualify him for the little time he allegedly needs. Also, he was an assistant from 1988-1993 and asst. head coach from 2010 to 2017. How many freakin' years do you have to work their to qualify for a pension?
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It is my understanding from a friend that works in managing the state retirement system that his time from 1988-1993 does not count towards him becoming vested because he was gone for that period of time because of the plan he was enrolled in during his 1st stint He needs 10 years to be vested so only his time from when he returned counts. Bummer if you are him....
 
Jaybird65 said:
It is my understanding from a friend that works in managing the state retirement system that his time from 1988-1993 does not count towards him becoming vested because he was gone for that period of time because of the plan he was enrolled in during his 1st stint He needs 10 years to be vested so only his time from when he returned counts. Bummer if you are him....
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Sounds like he is saying that the break in service time was too long and that plan is no longer.
 
Jaybird65 said:
It is my understanding from a friend that works in managing the state retirement system that his time from 1988-1993 does not count towards him becoming vested because he was gone for that period of time because of the plan he was enrolled in during his 1st stint He needs 10 years to be vested so only his time from when he returned counts. Bummer if you are him....
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The rumor was they offered him a non coaching job - is that not true?
 
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Chief00 said:
The rumor was they offered him a non coaching job - is that not true?
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To my knowledge that kind of offer was not made, he received a several month severance package that would count towards his service. I do know that he has made some inquires on his own.
 
selles said:
If your job is college basketball assistant coach and your plan is to qualify for a state pension that requires 10 years to vest, your plan is bad.
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The issue with being vested in this case is not so much retirement/pension, he has been enrolled in an alternative retirement plan that is more of an annuity regarding pension payout; being vested brings with it the health care benefits that are not attached to the alternative retirement plans that folks in the coaching profession have. Getting the 10 years would have locked in some health care benefits.
 
Chief00 said:
Article quoted one guy I don't trust (Quinn) and referenced another guy I don't trust as far as UConn is concerned (Miller). It basically confirmed what I heard about Miller back stabbing UConn with MAL after getting fired. There's a reason this dude did not get a job. It's human nature to want to trash your former employer or boss after getting fired but it seldom helps in the effort to land a new job. Glen Miller has really hurt himself in that regard. His tantrum after being fired is not professional and his entitlement outlook and inability to look at recent results objectively don't serve the dude well.
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Where did you hear about Miller's tantrum? Seems really odd. Entitlement outlook and inability to look at recent results.
Did you think KO was the associate head coach? That is quite the indictment of Miller.
 
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Chief00 said:
Article quoted one guy I don't trust (Quinn) and referenced another guy I don't trust as far as UConn is concerned (Miller). It basically confirmed what I heard about Miller back stabbing UConn with MAL after getting fired. There's a reason this dude did not get a job. It's human nature to want to trash your former employer or boss after getting fired but it seldom helps in the effort to land a new job. Glen Miller has really hurt himself in that regard. His tantrum after being fired is not professional and his entitlement outlook and inability to look at recent results objectively don't serve the dude well.
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They really screwed Miller first, with the way they handled this. I can understand his reaction. Tough to get a job that late anyway, if you aren't an current HC and/or bringing a stud recruit with you a la Romar and Porter Sr.
 
freescooter said:
If you go bac a few years further you can add 3-4 others from C-USA (Marquette Memphis, Louisville) and the Colonial (George F#^*%ing Mason).
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You really would of done better to leave that one out. Costed you 1 like.
 
We need HS coaches to explain to us why the AAC is a problem recruiting in to vs power 5? The unexplained part is why kids with big PT looming packed their bags. Is that a KO problem? I fully understand players leaving or considering it because of a threat to their minutes.
 
jibsey said:
We need HS coaches to explain to us why the AAC is a problem recruiting in to vs power 5? The unexplained part is why kids with big PT looming packed their bags. Is that a KO problem? I fully understand players leaving or considering it because of a threat to their minutes.
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A couple of HS coaches have told me that to some kids, going to a weaker P5 team is attractive because of who they get to play against as compared to the conference schedule in the AAC. Playing against some of the P5 teams twice a year compared to playing some of the AAC teams twice a year; potential national television and then there's ego thing....
 
intlzncster said:
They really screwed Miller first, with the way they handled this. I can understand his reaction. Tough to get a job that late anyway, if you aren't an current HC and/or bringing a stud recruit with you a la Romar and Porter Sr.
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My understanding is KO dropped the hammer the day after their last game. He couldn't have done it sooner. Miller was the one who requested they keep it quiet until after the coaches conference.
 
SECONN said:
Where did you hear about Miller's tantrum? Seems really odd. Entitlement outlook and inability to look at recent results.
Did you think KO was the associate head coach? That is quite the indictment of Miller.
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Glen has not come to terms with how his Bigs coaching, recruiting and gimmick zones had poor results. I think he scouts well and Jim says he's good with X's and O's. I will fault KO for putting him in the wrong roles but the dude made $350k a years - stop whining about what a bad dude KO is for expecting results for that money. Also, this retirement stuff is garbage - it's big time college athletics not some state bureaucratic position - KO will be fired if he drops the ball this season - should we keep him on so he can earn pension credits?

KO gave him time to find a job without announcing it but all Miller time did was trash Ollie - and MAL is exhibit A regarding the damage it did.
 
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Jaybird65 said:
A couple of HS coaches have told me that to some kids, going to a weaker P5 team is attractive because of who they get to play against as compared to the conference schedule in the AAC. Playing against some of the P5 teams twice a year compared to playing some of the AAC teams twice a year; potential national television and then there's ego thing....
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Well, the national television thing is off. Go to NC State, be on national TV 5 times a year, as opposed to UConn, which is on 3x as much.
 
Chief00 said:
Glen has not come to terms with how his Bigs coaching, recruiting and gimmick zones had poor results. I think he scouts well and Jim says he's good with X's and O's. I will fault KO for putting him in the wrong roles but the dude made $350k a years - stop whining about what a bad dude KO is for expecting results for that money. Also, this retirement stuff is garbage - it's big time college athletics not some state bureaucratic position - KO will be fired if he drops the ball this season - should we keep him on so he can earn pension credits?

KO gave him time to find a job without announcing it but all Miller time did was trash Ollie - and MAL is exhibit A regarding the damage it did.
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For some reason you have a long history of being vindictive towards Miller. Your narrative is always false. The gimmick zones you continuously refer to weren't Miller's they were the decision of the HC who gets paid $7,000 dollars per day. Furthermore, Miller did not make $350k and he was not the reason for players leaving the program. Miller worked for the program for 14 years beginning in 1986, Jim Calhoun's 1st season. He was always well respected, unassuming, and hard working. He contributed much to the success of the program over the years. Wether you agree or disagree with Ollie's decision to make staff changes Miller's situation was terribly mishandled. You are a real chump to keep carrying on.
 
goblue2220 said:
For some reason you have a long history of being vindictive towards Miller. Your narrative is always false. The gimmick zones you continuously refer to weren't Miller's they were the decision of the HC who gets paid $7,000 dollars per day. Furthermore, Miller did not make $350k and he was not the reason for players leaving the program. Miller worked for the program for 14 years beginning in 1986, Jim Calhoun's 1st season. He was always well respected, unassuming, and hard working. He contributed much to the success of the program over the years. Wether you agree or disagree with Ollie's decision to make staff changes Miller's situation was terribly mishandled. You are a real chump to keep carrying on.
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I know Glen is a local guy so I get the blind loyalty thing and I may have confused Glen's compensation with Chils but even in 2014 he made $200k and got bumped up from there after they won the NC. Glen and Danny Griffin salaries roughly were eliminated to pay for Chil. Danny made around $90k.
The point is he made a lot of money - he wasn't in a civil service type bureaucratic job - when you make a lot you need to expect if results get bad your neck is on the line. KO should have that same expectation. Neither should whine about it.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/7321933/
 
Chief00 said:
Glen has not come to terms with how his Bigs coaching, recruiting and gimmick zones had poor results. I think he scouts well and Jim says he's good with X's and O's. I will fault KO for putting him in the wrong roles but the dude made $350k a years - stop whining about what a bad dude KO is for expecting results for that money. Also, this retirement stuff is garbage - it's big time college athletics not some state bureaucratic position - KO will be fired if he drops the ball this season - should we keep him on so he can earn pension credits?

KO gave him time to find a job without announcing it but all Miller time did was trash Ollie - and MAL is exhibit A regarding the damage it did.
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Chief you get paid zero by UConn and you haven't come to terms that our "bigs" weren't very good at all while also not having the IQ required to learn the game through any "bigs coach" in the world. Never was on Glen Miller in this regard.

You're fired! You've lost you're weekly "Chiefs Briefs" show on the BY. goblue2220 now has the option to take over the show if he/she so wishes.
 
I thought Chief's Briefs was just on summer break? Because the casual fans take the summer off.
 
mauconnfan said:
Chief you get paid zero by UConn and you haven't come to terms that our "bigs" weren't very good at all while also not having the IQ required to learn the game through any "bigs coach" in the world. Never was on Glen Miller in this regard.

You're fired! You've lost you're weekly "Chiefs Briefs" show on the BY. goblue2220 now has the option to take over the show if he/she so wishes.
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You can't fire me, I need to finish my BY pension/healthcare credits. LOL
Quite frankly, if the poor performance of our Bigs isn't on our point recruiter or Bigs Coach who both happened to be Miller - I am not sure where to go on that? Of course, as CEO KO owns the problem too.
 
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