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Local prep coaches weigh in on UConn's status in recruiting world

superjohn said:
He wasn't a big fan of Calhoun.
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Other than the deng situaion i think they had a good relationship....uconn has always been an attraction and for soto me of the kids they have blinders on ...some ended up at uconn when they shouldn't have
 
Blaneylover said:
Coach Quinn from St. Thomas More saying exactly what I, and many others on this board have been saying. The AAC is a huge problem with these top kids. It just is.

"I think it's taken a hit. Unfortunately, the conference lacks the luster with a lot of these kids. They're in with the top players with every other major program. But the league doesn't bring a lot of national prominence. The rivalries are new; it's a new league trying to find itself. Connecticut is still going after the top-echelon kids in the U.S., and they've got some pretty good players, too."

"It's very difficult for those guys to compete against the Big 10, the Big East, the ACC. If you ask the same question to the people at East Carolina or Tulane - nothing against them, but they're not going after the same kids UConn is going after."
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I tend to agree about the conference, BUT a lot of this is just piling on. For instance, UConn never used to compete with the bottom of the Big East either for recruits. So it's easy to name ECU and Tulane. But the fact is, UConn and Cincy do sometimes overlap. Heck, UConn pulled Polley from Temple's lap.

Also, do kids really look to the BE as a conference for exposure? They're not getting much on Fox Sports. But if they want Villanova or Butler, then yeah those schools now have a national profile. No doubt.

Quinn somewhat overstates the case here.
 
James said:
Quinn's team had a sacred heart and a rider commit,that's it... not sure where he is getting his info on high major kids.
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He has had a couple tug of wars with UConn. The Drummond thing didn't go down well, but I seem to remember we were worried about that relationship long before Drummond. I forgot why it was such a concern, but Quinn had a sour relationship with Calhoun.
 
Kenny11 said:
When Cal was at Memphis, the conference situation was similar to what UConn is in now. Although we don't like him, Cal is the best recruiter of the modern era, and I know he was able to get one and done guys like D Rose and Dejuan Wagner. But was there a big difference between UConn's recruiting in the AAC and Memphis' in Conference USA besides the one and done guys? I don't remember, but were Memphis' role players back then better recruits than Vital, Vance, Diarra, Enoch etc (I know some of those guys transferred but that is a different issue)? I would like to see a comparison.
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The recruitment of the Memphis players stunk to high heaven. Remember, their F4 appearance was vacated. The high school transcripts of some of the kids were doctored. It helped Calipari.
 
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HuskiesAllDay said:
Just took a quick look on 247. From 2003-2008, their typical class was one high level 5* a year and a few (2-3) high 4 stars (rankings in the 35-70 range). So yes it was definitely much better, but not like what he has going on at KY.

But Memphis was also dominating the conference (and getting 1 seeds) not finishing 6th.
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Thanks!
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
Just took a quick look on 247. From 2003-2008, their typical class was one high level 5* a year and a few (2-3) high 4 stars (rankings in the 35-70 range). So yes it was definitely much better, but not like what he has going on at KY.

But Memphis was also dominating the conference (and getting 1 seeds) not finishing 6th.
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And Memphis was also losing in the Final 4 and getting their appearances vacated, unlike UConn which actually won the national championship fair and square, without having the school sanctioned.
 
AntG168 said:
Cal may be the greatest recruiter ever when its all said and done. Average coach but he's a great recruiter and motivator. Whether we like Cal or not his players run thru walls for him
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Cal teams vacated two for improper benefits and someone taking a Test for a star play to qualify. His team also performed the biggest choke in my memory to literally give Kansas the NC .
Tell me again how he was successful
Every Cal player recruited carries the stigma of his past tactics.
 
RJScootin said:
Smith might be a little bias since Chill is one of his closet friends in the business. The results in the first three paragraphs tell the current state.
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The detractors are always louder. Ask Nate Blue, "UConn's reign is over!"
 
HuskiesAllDay said:
Come on. His nice words are worth a whole lot.

And what does that count for?

He has zero incentive to say anything bad about the head coach of the leading program in the area. Second, even if we assume they are true (they probably are), they count for absolutely nothing.

His top player (MAL) just left us for Providence. And his other top player chose to play for Chris Mullen and St. John's over us.

Neither of which he may have had any influence over at all for all we know. Which is exactly the point. They are nice words, but don't count for a thing until he starts reliably sending his top kids to play for us. Which again he may or may not control.
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Top recruit. Not top player. Big difference.
 
eireman said:
Let's not go down this path again.it's not true.....while he wasn't thrilled about deng going to UConn he has always supported UConn and has never talked kids out of going there
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He was definitely sour about Drummond. I mean, come on!

Also, Brewster has been churning out top players compared to STM.
 
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upstater said:
I tend to agree about the conference, BUT a lot of this is just piling on. For instance, UConn never used to compete with the bottom of the Big East either for recruits. So it's easy to name ECU and Tulane. But the fact is, UConn and Cincy do sometimes overlap. Heck, UConn pulled Polley from Temple's lap.

Also, do kids really look to the BE as a conference for exposure? They're not getting much on Fox Sports. But if they want Villanova or Butler, then yeah those schools now have a national profile. No doubt.

Quinn somewhat overstates the case here.
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The AAC just doesn't have the history that The Big East has. It certainly lacks the cache of the SEC, ACC, or even the Big 12. JC, during his early years, was able to recruit his teams by saying, "Come here to Connecticut and play against the best teams with the best players, in the best league in the country." Those days are gone.
 
upstater said:
And Memphis was also losing in the Final 4 and getting their appearances vacated, unlike UConn which actually won the national championship fair and square, without having the school sanctioned.
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True. But that wasn't what the question was about. I just wanted to compare recruiting with UConn in the AAC and Memphis in Conf USA.
 
Blaneylover said:
The AAC just doesn't have the history that The Big East has. It certainly lacks the cache of the SEC, ACC, or even the Big 12. JC, during his early years, was able to recruit his teams by saying, "Come here to Connecticut and play against the best teams with the best players, in the best league in the country." Those days are gone.
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They don't exist in the BE either though. I doubt Jay Wright is telling that to the excellent players he is recruiting. The exposure is missing as well.
 
Kenny11 said:
True. But that wasn't what the question was about. I just wanted to compare recruiting with UConn in the AAC and Memphis in Conf USA.
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I was responding to AllDay on this one. I responded to your question earlier. UConn could simply not use the recruiting tactics that Calipari used at Memphis.
 
Kenny11 said:
When Cal was at Memphis, the conference situation was similar to what UConn is in now. Although we don't like him, Cal is the best recruiter of the modern era, and I know he was able to get one and done guys like D Rose and Dejuan Wagner. But was there a big difference between UConn's recruiting in the AAC and Memphis' in Conference USA besides the one and done guys? I don't remember, but were Memphis' role players back then better recruits than Vital, Vance, Diarra, Enoch etc (I know some of those guys transferred but that is a different issue)? I would like to see a comparison.
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before Squid went to UK, he adhered to the Jerry Tarkanian school of recruiting

accept the best players that are academically ineligible everywhere else, and D Rose is at the top of that list
 
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upstater said:
He has had a couple tug of wars with UConn. The Drummond thing didn't go down well, but I seem to remember we were worried about that relationship long before Drummond. I forgot why it was such a concern, but Quinn had a sour relationship with Calhoun.
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He knew drummond was going to go to uconn.....he just wanted him to stay another year because he was so young....he also treated andre like another son and did a lot of nurturing.....like i said deng presented some tension and was not jc's kind of recruit personality wise but quinn didn't stand in the way either......jc and jere had some pleasant conversations while andre was at stm.....hell he and particularly ko seemed to live there
 
upstater said:
He was definitely sour about Drummond. I mean, come on!

Also, Brewster has been churning out top players compared to STM.
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Most of the brewster players had interest in stm first
 
upstater said:
Top recruit. Not top player. Big difference.
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Mal didn't do much in any of the games i saw but 2 college assistants that i talked to said he was their best player ....kind of surprised me i thought allen was the best.
 
AntG168 said:
Cal may be the greatest recruiter ever when its all said and done. Average coach but he's a great recruiter and motivator. Whether we like Cal or not his players run thru walls for him
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I'm friends with a coach at a school that plays at the AA Prep level and competes with Brewster, Tilton etc. and produces a fair number of D1 kids. He says Cal is just a great guy. Fantastic guy to talk to and have a beer with etc. He's met and worked with a ton of D1 coaches, works at their camps around the country etc. So it's not just players, coaches seem to like him too.

I'm sure our view of him is colored by his time at UMass among other things.
 
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AntG168 said:
That KO, the staff, and UConn are still highly respected. If someone only read this board they'd think the exact opposite
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Hogwash. Maybe the assistants but even Cslhoun has soured on Ollie. He doesn't take advice, runs a 1990s NBA offense and is a very weak game coa h. Look. It is very possible to succeed in this league but not by finishing 6th. Since 2010 there have been teams in the final four--heck in the Final game--from supposed lesser leagues half the time. So claiming it can't be done is nothing but a cop out. It is an excuse, not a reason for UConn's decline. The reasons are that we have a mediocre head coach who is not a great recruiter.
 
Blaneylover said:
Coach Quinn from St. Thomas More saying exactly what I, and many others on this board have been saying. The AAC is a huge problem with these top kids. It just is.

"I think it's taken a hit. Unfortunately, the conference lacks the luster with a lot of these kids. They're in with the top players with every other major program. But the league doesn't bring a lot of national prominence. The rivalries are new; it's a new league trying to find itself. Connecticut is still going after the top-echelon kids in the U.S., and they've got some pretty good players, too."

"It's very difficult for those guys to compete against the Big 10, the Big East, the ACC. If you ask the same question to the people at East Carolina or Tulane - nothing against them, but they're not going after the same kids UConn is going after."
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Why does UConn need top kids?

Can you explain gonzaga and the WCC?
Wichita ST in the MWC?

How are they making runs in the tourney year in and year out and UConn can't? San Franscisco is better competition than SMU or Cinci for recruiting or is it coaching?
 
freescooter said:
Hogwash. Maybe the assistants but even Cslhoun has soured on Ollie. He doesn't take advice, runs a 1990s NBA offense and is a very weak game coa h. Look. It is very possible to succeed in this league but not by finishing 6th. Since 2010 there have been teams in the final four--heck in the Final game--from supposed lesser leagues half the time. So claiming it can't be done is nothing but a cop out. It is an excuse, not a reason for UConn's decline. The reasons are that we have a mediocre head coach who is not a great recruiter.
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Hogwash back at this
KO is not respected? He doesn't listen? - to who? and how do you know this?
Stop throwing crap at the wall and seeing what may stick
 
jazyj said:
Coach Smith perfectly described why everyone who freaks out on this board need to relax and take a step back.
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Of course Coach Quinn described perfectly described why everyone who is relaxed on this board need to relax and take a step back and freak out. So there's that.
 
gtcam said:
Hogwash back at this
KO is not respected? He doesn't listen? - to who? and how do you know this?
Stop throwing crap at the wall and seeing what may stick
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It's been widely reported that KO has been closed off to his assistants and others around the program, even to the point where he and JC don't talk.
 
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