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[btstimpy]

Swofford must be compensating bstimpy rather well. He's shilling for Swofford and his league better than Swofford has.

Swofford's explanations for what he is doing SUCKS. I hear what he is doing from other channels, but you are right, he leaves people in the dark, and that is poor marketing.

 

[auggie22]

We lost zero TV sets in Maryland. Please understand this. It's an important piece. ACC lost no TV sets in Maryland. We may have lost access to cable boxes, but the cords are being cut right and left on those in rapid fashion, and we never had any cable boxes to begin with. We are not being paid on cable boxes. As soon as that diminishes for the BTN due to cord cutting they will have to sell Maryland football directly. Read carefully about Maryland football cache. I'm not talking about a championship won by Curly Byrd in 1953. I'm talking about this decade.

For your sake and that of the majority of the ACC schools, you need to hope the cable box model sticks around for awhile. I think it actually hides your warts.

The B1G media dollars in the universe you describe, will accelerate relative to the ACC, because rather than be rewarded for theoretical footprint, they will be earning based upon fan interest and passion. The ACC schools that could do well in this environment are too few to make it attractive to remain in a league with Wake and BC, etc.

I just don't see how moving away from the current model would even the playing field. In fact it would accelerate the reckoning.

 

[auggie22]

You're betting against an ACC Network as is everyone here. I know. I've seen the posts for 2 years.
The ACC is working on it. We currently have the ACC Network of syndication run by Raycom reaching 90 million TV households nationwide. During all of the expansion of 2011 and 2o12 it was just getting off the ground. The ACC is very pleased that it has been picked up and paid for by TV stations all across the US. The ACC does share in its profits outside of the former ACC footprint. So no we don't make money when it is watched in Maryland, but we did for the Louisville BC game that aired on CW in Hartford, CT last Saturday.

This network is nice and all, but it is insufficient. It only shows football and men's basketball, and the ACC is about a lot more than that. So the league is working on another network to incorporate more stuff. I know you all are betting against it here. I'm not given the information I've seen from UVA. What people are anxious about is the timing. The ACC contract with ESPN doesn't enable it before 2017. Now that we are getting closer to 2017, we want to hear something. If ESPN doesn't want to do it, there are others that have inquired about doing it.

As for LSU hiring Jimbo Fisher, they tried to 4 months ago. Jimbo said no. And your point about ND is valid. But we have more than we've ever had, so more is better. If ND continues to choose to deny its coaches and players access to any championships, it's on them. The CFP committee politically can't choose them over the 5 P5 conferences for the 4 slots, and they already deny their players an opportunity for a conference championship. They'll have to settle with playing in bowls. I'm told they are fine with that because that's how it's always been. Kinda sucks for the kids.

This is the same national network that airs Bojangles fast food commercials in the northeast, right? Do you think people are watching this?

 

[CL82]

So no we don't make money when it is watched in Maryland, but we did for the Louisville BC game that aired on CW in Hartford, CT last Saturday.

Wait you guys participate in the profits of games that are broadcast by Raycom? I thought you sold your Tier 3 rights. Isn't that the biggest sticking point for a true ACC network?

 

[btstimpy]

This is the same national network that airs Bojangles fast food commercials in the northeast, right? Do you think people are watching this?

I don't know who's watching it, but the television stations are paying for it. I like Bojangles. Had a chicken sandwich there last week. Their commercials are better than New York Life. The ACC needs more advertisers for the northeast. Sign up Wegmans, Tim Horton's, etc. We have schools there that should suggest some more.

But Yes. Same network.

 

[btstimpy]

Wait you guys participate in the profits of games that are broadcast by Raycom? I thought you sold your Tier 3 rights. Isn't that the biggest sticking point for a true ACC network?

Raycom bought the rights for the games from ESPN. They get to use them in the traditional ACC states. ACC doesn't get any profit sharing from that. But they were authorized to go outside of the ACC states in 2010 (i.e. Texas, California, Maine, Ohio, Wisconsin, etc.). They never had that opportunity before. They were only licensed in the ACC states before. You would never have seen a Bojangles commercial before 2010 in Connecticut for instance.

The ACC shares in the profit with Raycom outside the ACC states, not inside because they were already paid by ESPN. We are only now seeing how much that is. It's taken 4 years to ramp up. I don't think it's sufficient. But it is not zero. My biggest gripe is that it is only football and basketball. UVA has a great lacrosse team that needs to get on TV. ESPN is showing some. A network could show it more.

That's when Swofford talks about "We're studying that." He's been waiting to see how much profit sharing this will produce. He looks foolish not explaining what he's talking about. When the press asks him about getting a network. He says we already have one. We're looking at a channel. Even we get frustrated how poorly he communicates what he's doing. He's doing a better job than people perceive. But if he doesn't explain what he's doing, it's hard to think he is.

 

[dwalks93]

You're betting against an ACC Network as is everyone here. I know. I've seen the posts for 2 years.
The ACC is working on it. We currently have the ACC Network of syndication run by Raycom reaching 90 million TV households nationwide. During all of the expansion of 2011 and 2o12 it was just getting off the ground. The ACC is very pleased that it has been picked up and paid for by TV stations all across the US. The ACC does share in its profits outside of the former ACC footprint. So no we don't make money when it is watched in Maryland, but we did for the Louisville BC game that aired on CW in Hartford, CT last Saturday.

This network is nice and all, but it is insufficient. It only shows football and men's basketball, and the ACC is about a lot more than that. So the league is working on another network to incorporate more stuff. I know you all are betting against it here. I'm not given the information I've seen from UVA. What people are anxious about is the timing. The ACC contract with ESPN doesn't enable it before 2017. Now that we are getting closer to 2017, we want to hear something. If ESPN doesn't want to do it, there are others that have inquired about doing it.

As for LSU hiring Jimbo Fisher, they tried to 4 months ago. Jimbo said no. And your point about ND is valid. But we have more than we've ever had, so more is better. If ND continues to choose to deny its coaches and players access to any championships, it's on them. The CFP committee politically can't choose them over the 5 P5 conferences for the 4 slots, and they already deny their players an opportunity for a conference championship. They'll have to settle with playing in bowls. I'm told they are fine with that because that's how it's always been. Kinda sucks for the kids.

Ok allow me to summarize the above:

Paragraph 1 - the ACC is getting a network. The check is in the mail and I promise I will respect you in the morning.

Paragraph 2 - An ESPN ACC network would limit the ACC's athletic creativity. We, at the ACC, are a lot more than just football/basketball and we won't have our creative energy stifled by ESPN. The ACC clearly has ESPN exactly where it wants them....

Paragraph 3 - coaches do not care about money. There is intangible value to just being a part of the ACC and coaches will takes less money to stay in the ACC. Also Jimbo Fisher turned down a job that was never even vacant. Finally, the ACC is better off with ND as a half member and without ND football.

My head hurts now...if I agree to all the above will you stop posting

 

[btstimpy]

Ok allow me to summarize the above:

Paragraph 1 - the ACC is getting a network. The check is in the mail and I promise I will respect you in the morning.

Paragraph 2 - An ESPN ACC network would limit the ACC's athletic creativity. We, at the ACC, are a lot more than just football/basketball and we won't have our creative energy stifled by ESPN. The ACC clearly has ESPN exactly where it wants them....

Paragraph 3 - coaches do not care about money. There is intangible value to just being a part of the ACC and coaches will takes less money to stay in the ACC. Also Jimbo Fisher turned down a job that was never even vacant. Finally, the ACC is better off with ND as a half member and without ND football.

My head hurts now...if I agree to all the above will you stop posting

Go ahead and agree. And Jimbo Fisher didn't turn down a job. He turned down an interview.

 

[auggie22]

I don't know who's watching it, but the television stations are paying for it. I like Bojangles. Had a chicken sandwich there last week. Their commercials are better than New York Life. The ACC needs more advertisers for the northeast. Sign up Wegmans, Tim Horton's, etc. We have schools there that should suggest some more.

But Yes. Same network.

Ok, so CW is essentially getting free ACCN content to air in the Hartford market to an audience of 0. That is really depressing when juxtaposed against the BTN.

 

[bobbyinaz]

This VA dude is gdamn tedious. I'm gonna have to break out the Ignore again.

Having The UVA guy & the FSU guy on ignore makes this thread an interesting read

 

[Gfunk]

Hell, Maryland wasn't a real game. When you win 90% of the games it becomes like having Old Dominion on the schedule.

Would UConn guys miss the Southern Connecticut Owls if they were on the schedule and were replaced by a team that had recently won BCS Bowls?

FSU sells home tickets...already had to cope with Wake, BC, Cuse, and Maryland on the schedule....Louisville picked up the stadium.

We get it, football rules. Yet Maryland left the ACC with more NCAA titles than anyone but UNC. They may just be only known as one of the consistently dominant programs in soccer, field hockey, & lacrosse - oh well.

But they share something with UConn, few other programs can boast: titles in both men's and women's basketball & somewhere deep back in their history they won an AP football NC. I'll take that history & also the fact it remains a fantastic university, top to bottom.

 

[NickyNewark]

Please no. There is nothing worse than being draw in here to talk about Rutgers. It's a waste of time for me, and you UConn guys do a great job of it on your own. When I was here before, I always seemed to get drawn into talking about Rutgers. Not today.

I'll pass.....you're doing fine on you're own...

 

[btstimpy]

We get it, football rules. Yet Maryland left the ACC with more NCAA titles than anyone but UNC. They may just be only known as one of the consistently dominant programs in soccer, field hockey, & lacrosse - oh well.

But they share something with UConn, few other programs can boast: titles in both men's and women's basketball & somewhere deep back in their history they won an AP football NC. I'll take that history & also the fact it remains a fantastic university, top to bottom.

Yes. We discussed that yesterday. Maryland's President Curly Byrd build an athletic department that won 15+ national championships prior to 1955 including a football championship. They have a total in the 40 range including those, 5 cheer leading, and 18 women's lacrosse. There are about 6 in men's sports. It's second to UNC in the ACC over an 80 year time frame.

Someone reviewed that in the thread with everyone yesterday.

 

[btstimpy]

Ok, so CW is essentially getting free ACCN content to air in the Hartford market to an audience of 0. That is really depressing when juxtaposed against the BTN.

That CW station isn't getting it for free. If they have an audience of 0, they'll stop paying for it.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Go ahead and agree. And Jimbo Fisher didn't turn down a job. He turned down an interview.

An interview for a job that was never vacant. I don't know why you're bothering with this nonsense. Everyone here knows that you're either a liar or you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

You're betting against an ACC Network as is everyone here. I know. I've seen the posts for 2 years. The ACC is working on it.

Which conference sorts out its network issues first (ACC with Raycom, XII with LHN) will determine which of the two is a P4 member and which is carved-up Dexter style by the B1G, SEC and PAC (only applies to the XII should it fold).

 

[btstimpy]

I'll pass.....you're doing fine on you're own...

Good to see you again. I'm sticking to this thread that is about the ACC. It started with GT AD comments. It's not about Rutgers and not about the Big Ten either really. There are others that are. So jump in.

 

[btstimpy]

An interview for a job that was never vacant. I don't know why you're bothering with this nonsense. Everyone here knows that you're either a liar or you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

If you've never heard of gauging interest before, you've never recruited talent for anything. No the job wasn't vacant, but LSU seriously considered firing their coach. They ended up not being stupid enough to fire Less Miles with no one lined up like Maryland did with Randy Edsall. What Maryland did to Randy Edsall was appalling. Glad to see he got another job in the NFL.

What Joe Aleva did to Les Miles was appalling too. But we saw him do it to the Duke Lacrosse coach ten years ago before even knowing that the allegations against the team were true.

 

[btstimpy]

Which conference sorts out its network issues first (ACC with Raycom, XII with LHN) will determine which of the two is a P4 member and which is carved-up Dexter style by the B1G, SEC and PAC (only applies to the XII should it fold).

Possibly Mr. Conehead. But I actually am beginning to believe it won't get to 4. If the Big XII expands, I think it will survive. I think the ACC is fine. The CFP contract is for 5 conferences until 2027 or so. The Bowls are tied into 5 conferences.

If the Big XII sits like it is currently sitting, the 10 school conference won't be big enough. That's what they are working and why UConn should be talking to them. I think Gordon Gee is the key as WVU is who has the most to gain from pulling the Big XII East. He's also right in the middle of what they are doing. Hopefully the UConn administration knows Gordon Gee and others in the Big XII of course.

 

[CallMeBruce]

If you've never heard of gauging interest before, you've never recruited talent for anything. No the job wasn't vacant, but LSU seriously considered firing their coach. They ended up not being stupid enough to fire Less Miles with no one lined up like Maryland did with Randy Edsall. What Maryland did to Randy Edsall was appalling. Glad to see he got another job in the NFL.

What Joe Aleva did to Les Miles was appalling too. But we saw him do it to the Duke Lacrosse coach ten years ago before even knowing that the allegations against the team were true.

I have recruited talent, and you're full of crap. LSU isn't calling Jimbo Fisher about an interview while Miles is still employed. That would have gotten out and been a PR nightmare. I wouldn't be hearing it for the first time from a delusional ACC homer.

 

[Exit 4]

This thread should be retitled - "Boring ACC discussions."

Don't these people from other schools have homes to go to?

 

[Seaa Blue]

This thread should be retitled - "Boring ACC discussions."

Don't these people from other schools have homes to go to?

I think Stimpy does business as 'John Swofford' (seriously) over on Landthieves.

 

[btstimpy]

I think Stimpy does business as 'John Swofford' (seriously) over on Landthieves.

Not been over there in a year. And only read it. Oklahoma folks aren't interested in the ACC. They are split between the PAC12 and the SEC. What's he saying?

 

[billybud]

FSU's facilities are better than Florida's and compete quite well with anyone's......new IPF, new player's lounge, locker room, new player dorm, coaches offices, meeting rooms, etc...the stadium is being upgraded to a tune of $85 million on top of new "club" facilities already underway. New soccer field updates, a great baseball complex, and FSU recently purchased the Turner Center for basketball (which is also receiving upgrades).

Seminole Boosters, Inc...has gotten into the development business with the 20 acres they own on the campus edge...and have been making good money on their College Town development.....see College Town (apartments have been 100% rented...more being constructed), leased space to restaurants and clubs, leased space to CVS drug store, etc...and all income will support athletics long term.

And FSU is in the middle of a $250 million athletic fund raising campaign.

http://fsucollegetown.net/dining__entertainment


Jimbo understands...and he is a leader...

"We're in the elite class of universities in this country," said FSU football coach Jimbo Fisher, "but we understand we have to go forward. In coaching, they say, 'How are you going to maintain?' We're not maintaining anything in our program. You're either getting better or you're getting worse. You have to be aggressive, and you have to move forward."

 

[btstimpy]

I have recruited talent, and you're full of crap. LSU isn't calling Jimbo Fisher about an interview while Miles is still employed. That would have gotten out and been a PR nightmare. I wouldn't be hearing it for the first time from a delusional ACC homer.

Do you not think they had a PR nightmare? I thought it was rather bad. They aborted and recovered, but it was typical Joe Aleva.

 

[NYUConn]

It is mind-blowing to me that we have 8 pages and 236 posts of people going back and forth about an ACC Network that doesn't exist.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Not been over there in a year. And only read it. Oklahoma folks aren't interested in the ACC. They are split between the PAC12 and the SEC. What's he saying?

I'll believe you, but he's basically the ACC troll on Lanthieves.

 

[dayooper]

Sorry guys. I thought I was bringing something new to the table. I just brought back all the old arguments from the same ACC posters. Won't happen again.

BTW - I actually thought fishy banned stimpy.

 

[btstimpy]

I'll believe you, but he's basically the ACC troll on Lanthieves.

Ok. Wierd name to use. Actually rather funny.

 

[Ldandy]

Sorry guys. I thought I was bringing something new to the table. I just brought back all the old arguments from the same ACC posters. Won't happen again.

BTW - I actually thought fishy banned stimpy.

Obviously people are interested in conversing about this topic, so I say no harm no foul. As for Stimp his opinions may be unpopular, but that doesn't mean he should be banned. You have to save that for the really special people like Okie Lite or Notre Dame Joe who's sole purpose in life seems to be to derail every thread they participate in.