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LaVols and Holly: Local Dissatisfaction Growing (merged thread)

The rumors are picking up y'all that Holly may not last to the conference playoffs. The whispers are getting louder. Again, if I were Holly I'd fall on my sword and resign, but that's just me. It seems to me that the next two games against Arkansas and ND are real crucial for her. I think if she loses to Arkansas she's done.
 
In 2018 just signed a contract extension through the 2020-21 season. She would be owed a lot of money going forward if she were fired. From that, at least, it doesn't seem likely to happen.
 
While I was incredibly disturbed when Pat Summitt submitted her report to the NCAA, I long ago forgave her, particularly in light of her diagnosis with Alzheimer’s. I will remind everyone that the initial symptoms of this terrible disease can appear many years before an official diagnosis and eventual death. Those symptoms can include various cognitive issues, memory loss, confusion resulting in anger and sometimes irrational behavior.

Pat issues her 40 page report in 2007? She was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s in 2010. She passed away in 2015. It’s time for the BY to let go of this one.
It took Red Sox fans almost 100 years and a WS title to let go of the curse of the Bambino Part of the fun of fandom is having a rival you can hate. Personally, I hope UT somehow beats ND. Boy do I hate ND’s whole atheletic arrogance. There isnt a single team in the AAC I can hate. What a bummer.

I don’t watch UT and obviously the rap on Holly is that she does less with more, even though her overall record would be a success at most schools. I’m more focused on our own program. This year might or might not end with a W. Absent some late recruits with solid experience who can rebound the ball and score, next year doesn’t look so promising in terms of potential champions. .
 
I think it is best that VOL Nation critique her performance and not us. Just my thoughts.
 
I've given this some thought, and I really think a major factor is the huge fan support combined with the (allegedly) great facilities that Tennessee offers. Players like the idea of playing for large crowds. It's unclear to me how much the program's winning tradition per se is a factor. The current freshman class would have been in 2nd grade when Tennessee last won a national title.

As far as large crowds are concerned, Tenn WAS the place to play in front of the largest crowds in WCBB, during Pat's era. The rise of Dawn Staley/South Carolina and the demise of the LadyVols (Holly as coach) has left TBA attendances tumble the last few years.

Last year the LadyVols were 4th in attendance at 8,778/game behind South Carolina (13,239), UConn (10,026) and Iowa St (9,870). For YTD, the LadyVols have drawn an average 7,999/game. I don't see that number getting any better for the remainder of this year. I would not be surprised if the LadyVols attendance this year drops to 7th based on last years 2017-18 Home Avg Leaders.

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In 2018 just signed a contract extension through the 2020-21 season. She would be owed a lot of money going forward if she were fired. From that, at least, it doesn't seem likely to happen.
In truth it would cost UT $600,000 to release Holly at any time. Now, that is a chunk of change. But UT is a healthy sports institution, and although WCBB doesn't take in much, especially during the Holly era, UT's pockets are deep enough to fire Holly and assume a contract from another coach, say between $800,00 to even $1.1 million without any strain. However, if she resigns that goes out the window and they'll owe her nothing.
 
Should be drawing big crowd but did you see the lack of fans in the stands for the Alabama Tennessee game, I doubt there were 1000 fans at that game. Parity without quality is not the answer, we need quality relevant competition between the top teams to really put the sport on the floor that fans will pay to see.
That game was at Alabama.
 
It took Red Sox fans almost 100 years and a WS title to let go of the curse of the Bambino Part of the fun of fandom is having a rival you can hate. Personally, I hope UT somehow beats ND. Boy do I hate ND’s whole atheletic arrogance. There isnt a single team in the AAC I can hate. What a bummer.

I don’t watch UT and obviously the rap on Holly is that she does less with more, even though her overall record would be a success at most schools. I’m more focused on our own program. This year might or might not end with a W. Absent some late recruits with solid experience who can rebound the ball and score, next year doesn’t look so promising in terms of potential champions. .
Sports are so much more fun with an arch-rival, especially when they are in close geographic proximity.
 
In truth it would cost UT $600,000 to release Holly at any time. Now, that is a chunk of change. But UT is a healthy sports institution, and although WCBB doesn't take in much, especially during the Holly era, UT's pockets are deep enough to fire Holly and assume a contract from another coach, say between $800,00 to even $1.1 million without any strain. However, if she resigns that goes out the window and they'll owe her nothing.
For purposes of comparison, when TN fired Head Football Coach Butch Jones last year, the buyout was $8.26 million. Subsequently, AD John Currie was sent packing after he botched the search for a new football coach. The price tag for Currie was $2.5 million. That’s almost $11 million in buyout costs, not including football assistants.

Does anyone really believe that TN would even blink at the cost of terminating HW’s contract if they decided it was time for her to go?
 
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For purposes of comparison, when TN fired Head Football Coach Butch Jones last year, the buyout was $8.26 million. Subsequently, AD John Currie was sent packing after he botched the search for a new football coach. The price tag for Currie was $2.5 million. That’s almost $11 million in buyout costs, not including football assistants.

Does anyone really believe that TN would even blink at the cost of terminating HW’s contract if they decided it was time for her to go?
Yes and no. Comparing buyout costs to what happened with football is really apples and oranges (or watermelons and blueberries?). Even with the relatively rabid fanbase of the Lady Vols, it's nothing to the level of hysteria and economics that football commands.
 
While I understand the sentiment @LAWRENCE, having a storied program in WCBB run by a basketball dullard weakens the game and should be a concern for all fans of the game.

that's an interesting thought...........it seems to me that most of the veteran BYers have taken great pleasure in watching Tennessee's downfall...........
 
Yes and no. Comparing buyout costs to what happened with football is really apples and oranges (or watermelons and blueberries?). Even with the relatively rabid fanbase of the Lady Vols, it's nothing to the level of hysteria and economics that football commands.
Agreed, but the issue is not money relative to WBB.
 
Sports are so much more fun with an arch-rival, especially when they are in close geographic proximity.
Exactly. I’m a gray beard. I went to UConn in Yankee Conference days. We hated UMass and especially URI. Our most major sport was men’s hoops, there was no women’s team. The men’s team was a regional power with some occasional notable national win. The students filled the old field house every game. Our football was at best average with a few occasional NFL prospect. Nobody cared that we weren’t going to be a national champ so long as we could beat our main rivals, hopefully win the hoops conference title and make the NCAA ourvif not, the NIT.

The Big East was great fun in hoops especially and, of course, the rise of our Women’s team. Having rivals like BC,Providence, Syracuse, St. John’s, Rutgers and Villanova made it interesting. Every game in the AAC feels like an out of conference game. It doesn’t mean you can’t have an occasional rivalry develop when your a winning team facing another winning team for a few years like our men’s hoops had with Georgetown, but it’s not the same. The only kind of regional rival UConn has now is Temple and it ain’t the same either. But I still hate ND even when we aren’t playing them. Feels so good.
 
As far as large crowds are concerned, Tenn WAS the place to play in front of the largest crowds in WCBB, during Pat's era. The rise of Dawn Staley/South Carolina and the demise of the LadyVols (Holly as coach) has left TBA attendances tumble the last few years.

Last year the LadyVols were 4th in attendance at 8,778/game behind South Carolina (13,239), UConn (10,026) and Iowa St (9,870). For YTD, the LadyVols have drawn an average 7,999/game. I don't see that number getting any better for the remainder of this year. I would not be surprised if the LadyVols attendance this year drops to 7th based on last years 2017-18 Home Avg Leaders.

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It would be interesting to see the $$ from game attendance since SC and others ticket prices are considerably lower than those at UCONN, TN and ND.
 
that's an interesting thought......it seems to me that most of the veteran BYers have taken great pleasure in watching Tennessee's downfall......

I among them. Nonetheless, they deserve far better than Holly and WCBB would be better for it.
 
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can it wait till after UConn plays them in the next two years?.....:rolleyes:
Well if I'm reading some of these recent post correctly. UCONN WCBB ain't about &$&$ish now and is going to less that that next year. Two years from now will they even have varsity WBB at UCONN or will it be more like a club sport?
 
Well if I'm reading some of these recent post correctly. UCONN WCBB ain't about &$&$ish now and is going to less that that next year. Two years from now will they even have varsity WBB at UCONN or will it be more like a club sport?

we'll see about that after the UConn 2020 recruiting class is official................:rolleyes:
 
I among them. Nonetheless, they deserve far better than Holly and WCBB would be better for it.
All due respect Rocky but would it? I mean other teams have filled that void and quite nicely. Since 2008 alone, in the SEC alone, MSU and SC have raised their profile and attendance significantly. Oregon, Oregon State have joined Stanford as West Coast elite. Louisville has become a perennial power. Replacing Tenn as the penultimate WCBB team is Notre Dame and lurking shortly behind them is Kim Mulkey and Baylor. I would argue that WCBB is significantly better now. Remember, Army and Navy once rule collage football and I don’t think anyone is bemoaning that fact and CFB is better for it now.
 
All due respect Rocky but would it? I mean other teams have filled that void and quite nicely. Since 2008 alone, in the SEC alone, MSU and SC have raised their profile and attendance significantly. Oregon, Oregon State have joined Stanford as West Coast elite. Louisville has become a perennial power. Replacing Tenn as the penultimate WCBB team is Notre Dame and lurking shortly behind them is Kim Mulkey and Baylor. I would argue that WCBB is significantly better now. Remember, Army and Navy once rule collage football and I don’t think anyone is bemoaning that fact and CFB is better for it now.
I personally would have no sorrow to see Tennessee become the bottom feeder it's destined to be.
 
Yes and no. Comparing buyout costs to what happened with football is really apples and oranges (or watermelons and blueberries?). Even with the relatively rabid fanbase of the Lady Vols, it's nothing to the level of hysteria and economics that football commands.
You're talking about popularity, oldude and I are talking about bottom lines. Holly has failed to deliver a viable product to UT's consumers, attendance has steadily dropped because of it, and UT's pockets are deep enough to assume the loss. The word is a loss to Arkansas and ND or not making the Dance this year and Holly is a goner.
 
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You're talking about popularity, oldude and I are talking about bottom lines. Holly has failed to deliver a viable product to UT's consumers, attendance has steadily dropped because of it, and UT's pockets are deep enough to assume the loss. The word is a loss to Arkansas and ND or not making the Dance this year and Holly is a goner.
Now I'm in the awkward position of semi-rooting for Tennessee to beat Arkansas just to hold off the executioners.
 
You're talking about popularity, oldude and I are talking about bottom lines. Holly has failed to deliver a viable product to UT's consumers, attendance has steadily dropped because of it, and UT's pockets are deep enough to assume the loss. The word is a loss to Arkansas and ND or not making the Dance this year and Holly is a goner.
"the word is" Is there credibility to that word? "the word was" that we would get Boston, Horston &/or Jones. I'm certainly not insinuating that "the word" came from you but I have always held to the creed.....We'll see what happens WHEN it happens. Just sayin'
 
I don't really see how Tennessee sticks with Warlick much longer if they still aspire to be a great program.

It's been her program for a long time and if anything she is losing ground.

Starting 1-4 in the SEC in a season that wasn't expected to be a step back is seriously shocking.
 
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