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Ujiri's moves to get Green added to the trade and then get Gasol from Memphis, along with the development of Siakum, were pretty important for the Raptors too.
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Ujiri's moves to get Green added to the trade and then get Gasol from Memphis, along with the development of Siakum, were pretty important for the Raptors too.
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Kemba likes Charlotte, but I agree that Jordan has made a mess of that franchise and it is not salvageable in a time frame that works for Kemba. I would definitely not go to LA if I was him though, at least not if he wants to win a title.
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I find this hype that the Lakers are the favorites now to win a title hilarious. More realistic is the fact that they still remain a sustained injury from Lebron or AD away from not being a top 8 seed in the West. They have five guys under contract, two of which aren’t capable of meaningful minutes.
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The Lakers are smart enough to know you win with stars. Every time it's looking like they're going to start sucking they make bold moves to get superstars and they win championships.
Back in the day they knew they had a bunch of good but unspectacular players who couldn't win it all so they cleared everything out to get Shaq and boldly took high schooler Kobe in the draft. Later on they had nothing surrounding Kobe so they went out and got Gasol and won 2 more championships. They had good but unspectacular young players and 1st round picks (cr@p shoot) and instead went bold and got Anthony Davis, while still having the space to bring in another star free agent.
Lakers will be a contender for the championship, the Celtics won't.
Back in the day they knew they had a bunch of good but unspectacular players who couldn't win it all so they cleared everything out to get Shaq and boldly took high schooler Kobe in the draft. Later on they had nothing surrounding Kobe so they went out and got Gasol and won 2 more championships. They had good but unspectacular young players and 1st round picks (cr@p shoot) and instead went bold and got Anthony Davis, while still having the space to bring in another star free agent.
Lakers will be a contender for the championship, the Celtics won't.
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Since when have the Lakers been considered smart?
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Seriously?
This board sometimes.
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To play devil's advocate, they haven't been considered a smart franchise since Dr. Buss died. But there is a reason why every smart person in basketball media likes this trade for the Lakers
This board sometimes.
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To play devil's advocate, they haven't been considered a smart franchise since Dr. Buss died. But there is a reason why every smart person in basketball media likes this trade for the Lakers
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It has been widely reported that the Raptors were o.k. with blowing it up. They wanted to get off DeRozan by any means and were primed to get off Lowry and Ibaka. It wasn't a risk as the move had no downside in their view. If Kawhi leaves and they flame out, they are positioned to rebuild immediately.
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This is a no brainer for the Lakers that came together mostly through Klutch, but the Lakers have been a disaster since Buss died. A league-wide laughingstock.
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Yep but they basically never really go much more than a decade between championships and they will be positioned as well as anyone to win it all next year.
Don't understand how people in this thread are praising Ainge and ripping on the Lakers. The Lakers are supposed to be this big laughingstock and a year ago they had nothing, now they have Lebron, AD, and will most likely be adding another star. Just a year or so ago people were talking about the Celtics being on the brink of a dynasty.
Who is better positioned to win a championship now?
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To play devil's advocate, they haven't been considered a smart franchise since Dr. Buss died. But there is a reason why every smart person in basketball media likes this trade for the Lakers
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Exactly. They have been a laughing stock for the past five years and those same smart people think the Pelicans got max value in this deal. This is also based on the assumption they sign another max guy. With the timing of the deal and ADs unwillingness to forgo his trade bonus, that seems impossible.
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I don’t know what NBA you are watching but most people consider Ainge smart and the Lakers a joke the past five years. This board sometimes.
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Kemba’s family is good for at least the next two generations, no matter where he plays, barring some horrific career-ending injury. He will continue to make great money after he retires regardless; he is insanely marketable, and this is a big reason people say he should get the hell out of Charlotte.
How much money he makes after he retires can come down to his basketball legacy, which is going nowhere in Charlotte. He will fizzle as a basketball player and as a personality, and we will be less likely to continue to see him if he stagnates in Charlotte for the next 5 years, after which, who knows where he will be wanted. Kemba’s already in the big leagues, but this is his one chance to be a star on the biggest stage.
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This is really easy to say when it’s not your money. When you factor in the extra year and CA taxes the net value is enormous. He can essentially double his net worth by staying. That is a big ask for any athlete.
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It cost the Lakers half their roster and a good portion of their future for a player they would have signed next year anyway. Ainge got Kyrie for two years and it cost much less. Any way you look at it, Ainge was smarter.
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It cost the Lakers half their roster and a good portion of their future for a player they would have signed next year anyway. Ainge got Kyrie for two years and it cost much less. Any way you look at it, Ainge was smarter.
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Just like the Lakers were smart for not trading assets for Kawhi and Paul George because they were coming in FA
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Just like the Lakers were smart for not trading assets for Kawhi and Paul George because they were coming in FA
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It cost the Lakers half their roster and a good portion of their future for a player they would have signed next year anyway. Ainge got Kyrie for two years and it cost much less. Any way you look at it, Ainge was smarter.
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Again, the Lakers were a laughingstock and they now have Lebron, AD, and will most likely get another star. Celtics were supposed to be on the verge of a championship/possible dynasty.
Which team is better positioned to win a title now?
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Again, the Lakers were a laughingstock and they now have Lebron, AD, and will most likely get another star. Celtics were supposed to be on the verge of a championship/possible dynasty.
Which team is better positioned to win a title now?
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You know that Kemba was dancing in the Apollo before coming to UConn, right? He is made for an entertainment city like LA, and he absolutely could be in Hollywood. I’m not saying Kemba would be dancing in his late 30s, but if he balls out in LA and wins a championship with Bron and AD, the endorsement and professional possibilities outside and after basketball are endless, especially with Magic and now LeBron there.
Kemba puts all his proverbial eggs of the future in the basket of Charlotte’s payroll if he stays there.
My angle is: What does Kemba do after basketball if he mires in mediocrity for 5 more years in Charlotte and never gets past the second round of the playoffs, versus if he goes to LA and wins a championship with the Lakers in his prime? I would agree with you that most players in his situation should stay and just bank on basketball. But Kemba has so much more than basketball talent.
Kemba indicated last week that he was willing to not take the super max to allow Charlotte to spend and build around him anyway, so you know he is not just thinking money. Well, that team is now made for him in LA...
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A healthy LeBron-AD combo is going to be killer.
They need a third player and a serviceable bench.
They also need to hope for health. James was a tank for a while, but you have to imagine that he's at an age where he's going to be less indestructible.
Davis...well, Davis has missed 18, 15, 14, 21, 7, 7, 28 games respectively. That has to worry a team as thin as this Lakers team is now.
(To be clear, you absolutely trade for him, though they may have given away too much in the back end...)
They need a third player and a serviceable bench.
They also need to hope for health. James was a tank for a while, but you have to imagine that he's at an age where he's going to be less indestructible.
Davis...well, Davis has missed 18, 15, 14, 21, 7, 7, 28 games respectively. That has to worry a team as thin as this Lakers team is now.
(To be clear, you absolutely trade for him, though they may have given away too much in the back end...)
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Again, the Lakers were a laughingstock and they now have Lebron, AD, and will most likely get another star. Celtics were supposed to be on the verge of a championship/possible dynasty.
Which team is better positioned to win a title now?
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I think I will wait until the end of free agency before I answer that. And since you are judging the Celtics after the fact, I will wait atleast two years before I proclaim the Lakers geniuses.
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You're ignoring all the details that separate a place like LA from a place like Boston.
The Lakers can get AD because he wants to sign there long term. Kawhi wants to sign longterm in LA (with the Clippers). Neither wanted to sign longterm in Boston. I've said in this thread before that the biggest mistake Ainge made is not cultivating that city desirability. Well it was kinda here when Stevens had his mythos going and Ainge's reputation was more smart than cutthroat, but the history of racism in Boston isn't going away, and Kyrie destroyed whatever else of it remained (plus Ainge's IT heartlessness didn't help)
You just can't compare LA's ability to draw free agents with Boston's. The playing field isn't level. 70 degrees and sunny weather and Hollywood don't exist in Boston. LA can get the free agents for the longterm. Boston can get them for 1 season. And they both give up the same amount of assets to do it. It's pretty easy to see why one way makes sense and the other doesn't, especially when you have alternatives.
Again, you're acting like Boston is done making moves and they no longer have the ability to get a star.
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I agree that they had to make this trade in large part because they were a dumpster fire and this at worst makes them relevant. But the NBA is going away from the mega team model and without depth, there are three or four teams in the west that may very well be able to outlast the Lakers in the playoffs. That’s assuming health. If either player misses twenty plus games next season, they may miss the playoffs entirely. Realistically, they will have 23 mil in cap space. That won’t be enough to get another max guy. Their roster is so thin, I am not sure that’s enough to beat some of the better teams in their conference.
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I think I will wait until the end of free agency before I answer that. And since you are judging the Celtics after the fact, I will wait atleast two years before I proclaim the Lakers geniuses.
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Judging the Celtics after the fact?
It's a simple question, who do you think is currently positioned better to win a championship?
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The biggest mistake Ainge made is not being willing to trade Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum for superstars.
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Judging the Celtics after the fact?
It's a simple question, who do you think is currently positioned better to win a championship?
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As of today, neither. Without question, I would trust Danny Ainge over Rob Pelinka and I will wait until the end of free agency before I answer that. It would not surprise me at all that when the chips settle, the Celtics are still the better team. The Lakers might not even be the best team in their arena.
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It was caused by 1 mis-post by SJ and now it has a mind of its own.
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