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nwhoopfan said:
Winners win at every level. I think it's extremely rare to find a coach with mediocre results over a period of time who suddenly starts winning at a higher clip. We'll see.
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They took a page from the LSU book when we hired Ed Orgeron, ignore track record, hope and pray.
 
SECbbfan24 said:
They took a page from the LSU book when we hired Ed Orgeron, ignore track record, hope and pray.
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I think Tennessee got too caught up with hiring someone with ties to the program. Eventually they are going to have to get past that.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I think Tennessee got too caught up with hiring someone with ties to the program. Eventually they are going to have to get past that.
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Sound advice I only hope will get applied by the Athletic Department at UConn when Geno and CD ride off into the sunset, lest we earn the same fate as the men’s team...
 
DefenseBB said:
Sound advice I only hope will get applied by the Athletic Department at UConn when Geno and CD ride off into the sunset, lest we earn the same fate as the men’s team...
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Only 1 coach that I believe could slide into UCONN and keep the machine humming....and I hope he never leaves Corvallis.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I think Tennessee got too caught up with hiring someone with ties to the program. Eventually they are going to have to get past that.
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I think its great to hire someone as a coach when they do have ties to the program but that in reality needs to back on the back burner. Look at their track record and qualifications first. This "one of us" reasoning is a horrible reason to hire someone. If they are qualified and have some ties, go for it. I am extremely skeptical of Harpers track record, especially with what went down at NC State. She will be working with a lot better talent and resources, so she could be successful. Maybe she has changed? Time will tell, on paper it was a very underwhelming hire. She never even won her conference at a mid tier program. Drake won that conference the last few years in a row, was that coach not a candidate?

Honestly, Banghart from Princeton would have been higher on my list if I was the Tennessee AD. The fact that the search only revolved around only female candidates with Summitt ties was not very smart.
 
LoTrader said:
Only 1 coach that I believe could slide into UCONN and keep the machine humming....and I hope he never leaves Corvallis.
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That’s one of the guys I was thinking of with his only chink being the lack of getting top 5 players to commit to his program. The UConn legacy would help with that aspect.
 
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SECbbfan24 said:
I think its great to hire someone as a coach when they do have ties to the program but that in reality needs to back on the back burner. Look at their track record and qualifications first. This "one of us" reasoning is a horrible reason to hire someone. If they are qualified and have some ties, go for it. I am extremely skeptical of Harpers track record, especially with what went down at NC State. She will be working with a lot better talent and resources, so she could be successful. Maybe she has changed? Time will tell, on paper it was a very underwhelming hire. She never even won her conference at a mid tier program. Drake won that conference the last few years in a row, was that coach not a candidate?

Honestly, Banghart from Princeton would have been higher on my list if I was the Tennessee AD. The fact that the search only revolved around only female candidates with Summitt ties was not very smart.
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Harper took Southwest Missouri St to the Sweet 16 and they played Stanford close was one of the main reasons that Tennessee hired her (along with her being a Tenn alum) and Banghart and a few other mid major coaches never reached the Sweet 16. Plus they said Bill Belichek wasn't a a great coach when he coached the Cleveland Browns and look what he did when he went to New England.

We will compare and contrast Harper at Tennessee and Banghart at UNC to see who will more successful in rebuilding those programs.
 
sivad40 said:
Harper took Southwest Missouri St to the Sweet 16 and they played Stanford close was one of the main reasons that Tennessee hired her
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It was certainly a nice run by Missouri St. She'd never gotten out of the first round previously as a coach, so it's not like she made a habit out of it.

sivad40 said:
We will compare and contrast Harper at Tennessee and Banghart at UNC to see who will more successful in rebuilding those programs.
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Well Tennesee and UNC are apples and oranges, so a direct comparison might not be all that telling. Top recruits kept flocking to Knoxville all during Warlick's tenure despite her clearly demonstrated coaching deficiencies. There clearly is a much stronger draw there than to Chapel Hill among HS prospects, making rebuilding an easier proposition.
 
sivad40 said:
Harper took Southwest Missouri St to the Sweet 16 and they played Stanford close was one of the main reasons that Tennessee hired her (along with her being a Tenn alum) and Banghart and a few other mid major coaches never reached the Sweet 16. Plus they said Bill Belichek wasn't a a great coach when he coached the Cleveland Browns and look what he did when he went to New England.

We will compare and contrast Harper at Tennessee and Banghart at UNC to see who will more successful in rebuilding those programs.
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Well there should be some clarity given for a clearer perspective: KJH actually coached at 3 places- Western Carolina: 5 yrs at 97-65 with 2 NCAA/2 NIT, NC State for 4 yrs at 70-64 with 1 NCAA/2 NIT and Missouri St for 6 yrs 118-79 with 2 NCAA/3 NIT. Overall record 285-208 for a .578 win percentage. Of the 7 NITs she has been to the second round 4 times. So in 15 years of coaching, she’s been to 5 NCAAT, +7 NIT for 12 postseason appearances. This data says, “good coach”, not “great coach”, so if her resume did not have “Tennessee Lady Vol player” on it, I highly doubt she would have gotten an interview never mind the actual HC job. To bring in the name of Bill Belichek is just silly. He didn’t draft the Browns players nor sign the free agents, he was handed chicken s*&t and told to make chicken salad. Not going to happen. KJH resume says her team will win 19-20 games per year, lose 12-14 games per year. Is that enough for VolNation? I know it’s perfect for me, as a UConn fan...:D
 
DefenseBB said:
That’s one of the guys I was thinking of with his only chink being the lack of getting top 5 players to commit to his program. The UConn legacy would help with that aspect.
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Don't care who comes in after Geno to coach as long as he/she can recruit "bigs". :rolleyes:
 
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DefenseBB said:
Well there should be some clarity given for a clearer perspective: KJH actually coached at 3 places- Western Carolina: 5 yrs at 97-65 with 2 NCAA/2 NIT, NC State for 4 yrs at 70-64 with 1 NCAA/2 NIT and Missouri St for 6 yrs 118-79 with 2 NCAA/3 NIT. Overall record 285-208 for a .578 win percentage. Of the 7 NITs she has been to the second round 4 times. So in 15 years of coaching, she’s been to 5 NCAAT, +7 NIT for 12 postseason appearances. This data says, “good coach”, not “great coach”, so if her resume did not have “Tennessee Lady Vol player” on it, I highly doubt she would have gotten an interview never mind the actual HC job. To bring in the name of Bill Belichek is just silly. He didn’t draft the Browns players nor sign the free agents, he was handed chicken s*&t and told to make chicken salad. Not going to happen. KJH resume says her team will win 19-20 games per year, lose 12-14 games per year. Is that enough for VolNation? I know it’s perfect for me, as a UConn fan...:D
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I think it's also about the position. At Tennessee Harper can get better players. I doubt Horston would have went to SW Missouri.
 
stwainfan said:
I think it's also about the position. At Tennessee Harper can get better players. I doubt Horston would have went to SW Missouri.
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The 2020 recruits dont seem to be all that enthralled with kellie and her staff. Angel Reese might be Tennessee's best chance at a top recruit and if Reese doesnt happen, tennessee could lay a big recruiting egg for 2020
 
MSUFan2003 said:
It's a good sign that they went 3-0, but I don't know how much you can expect in a coach's first year at a different school. She is bringing in a new system with players she didn't recruit. You just never know how it will all turn out, but a lot of people will be tuned in to see what happens.

As far as long term, it's extremely rare for any program to return to elite status once the elite coach is gone. AL football did it, but they got a sitting head coach from a program where he had already won a NC.
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I think kellie will need to have a really good 1st season to get some good recruiting momentum for 2021. She has the players currently to make at least a competitive run for an sec title this season. She seems to do really well in tournaments too, so all we can do is wait and see what happens. I think recruiting is going to be key though, because her stint at nc st showed that even though she was competitive with some of the ranked teams she played, her lack of recruiting success really cost her there
 
Boxerpups4me said:
The 2020 recruits dont seem to be all that enthralled with kellie and her staff. Angel Reese might be Tennessee's best chance at a top recruit and if Reese doesnt happen, tennessee could lay a big recruiting egg for 2020
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It takes time. They have only been there a short time. Until a player signs a LOI it doesn't mean anything.
 
DefenseBB said:
Well there should be some clarity given for a clearer perspective: KJH actually coached at 3 places- Western Carolina: 5 yrs at 97-65 with 2 NCAA/2 NIT, NC State for 4 yrs at 70-64 with 1 NCAA/2 NIT and Missouri St for 6 yrs 118-79 with 2 NCAA/3 NIT. Overall record 285-208 for a .578 win percentage. Of the 7 NITs she has been to the second round 4 times. So in 15 years of coaching, she’s been to 5 NCAAT, +7 NIT for 12 postseason appearances. This data says, “good coach”, not “great coach”, so if her resume did not have “Tennessee Lady Vol player” on it, I highly doubt she would have gotten an interview never mind the actual HC job. To bring in the name of Bill Belichek is just silly. He didn’t draft the Browns players nor sign the free agents, he was handed chicken s*&t and told to make chicken salad. Not going to happen. KJH resume says her team will win 19-20 games per year, lose 12-14 games per year. Is that enough for VolNation? I know it’s perfect for me, as a UConn fan...:D
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I already know about Kellie's history at those three places. Do you think she would've been hired if she had went to the NIT this season instead of the S16? I also acknowledged that her being an Tenn alum play a part in her being hired too. Maybe using one the NBA retread coaches instead of Belichek wasn't the best example but who knew at the time when he was at Cleveland that he would've ended up as becoming one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.

I don't expect KJH to have a great recruiting class for 2020 because she has establish relationships and some recruits and their parents need to know what type of product is going to be put out on the court.
 
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Kellie is on the scene now, as the new queen bee of the Lady Vols...She will do fine, this I can almost guarantee you...If not, someone else will be the new queen bee.

Some of our northern friends want to proclaim her "a failure" before the season officially begins...This is not real friendly of them...Like all new coaches at their former alma mater, our fan base wants her to succeed.

So let it be written...So let it be done.
 
Harper might do well at Tennessee. I liked her as a player back in the day. I have nothing against her as a coach. If you look at it objectively, her resume does not suggest she was the best candidate for a school the caliber of Tennessee. I don't know if she was their first choice. Rumors were rampant, all kinds of names were floated about, but that was not by insiders. I have no idea what the coaching search process actually looked like. She is who they got. We'll have to wait and see how it works out.
 
Big Shoulders said:
Some of our northern friends want to proclaim her "a failure" before the season officially begins...This is not real friendly of them...Like all new coaches at their former alma mater, our fan base wants her to succeed.
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No one said she was going to be a failure. She is now at a program with a lot of top tier talent and with all the resources in the world now being at a program like Tennessee. Some were just saying her track record was extremely questionable outside her NCAAT run this year. She very well may kick butt for Tennessee, maybe not, time will tell.

I think she will be an upgrade from Holly, but the question is how much. Will she get Tennessee where Tennessee fans want them to be?
 
Big Shoulders said:
Kellie is on the scene now, as the new queen bee of the Lady Vols...She will do fine, this I can almost guarantee you...If not, someone else will be the new queen bee.

Some of our northern friends want to proclaim her "a failure" before the season officially begins...This is not real friendly of them...Like all new coaches at their former alma mater, our fan base wants her to succeed.

So let it be written...So let it be done.
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Let this "northern friend" (just using your word here not actual friend) proclaim here and now, ANY coach coming to replace Holly has to be better...will it translate into more wins, time will tell.
 
vowelguy said:
Please. You’re on a UConn board and you’re allowed to post. That’s pretty darn hospitable.
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As long as I don't break any board rules, it should be OK for me to post here, correct? Seems like you guys would like some good "back and forth", with a few people from the great state of Tennessee.

The world of women's college basketball seems to always be looking for a little "good conversation" between two fan bases that appreciate women's basketball, like our two fan bases do...

When I was a boy working on the farm, I once told my granddaddy I didn't feel like working today...He told me "it don't get hot, it don't get cold, it don't rain, it don'rt snow, pick up your ax, and lets go."

That's how I see the upcoming season.....What was, is no more, pick up the ball, and let's go to work..
 
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SECbbfan24 said:
Rae - 16 points, 10 rebounds
Zaay - 16 points
Rennia - 16 points
Key - 15 points, 11 rebounds
Kasi - 8 rebounds
Brown - 8 rebounds
Massengill - 8 rebounds, 6 assists

Based on the press release from Tennessee

I am anxious to see how Key will be utilized this year, very talented player. Apparently the only issue today was the turnovers. Horston did not play as far as I am aware.
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Big Shoulders said:
Horston was sick....

I sure hope the ugliness is over between the fan bases....It was ridiculous.
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This is surprising and was kept under wraps

www.espn.com

Tennessee's Jordan Horston reaches deal for shoplifting

Tennessee guard Jordan Horston has agreed to pay $398.50 in court costs and perform 20 hours of community service after she was cited on a misdemeanor shoplifting charge.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
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