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KO's next steps on the recruiting trail

fleudslipcon said:
I happen to agree with you about Cobb. And I agree with you that stats at the JC level or even a mid major level don't guarantee success at a more competitive level. But dismissing potential based on this position or how other players from a program perform is lazy analysis imo. You have to evaluate the talent on a case by case situation.

I watched a complete game which Cobb played in. In full disclosure the kid had just returned to the lineup from an ankle injury. With that stated the kid's play supported yours and 99's position. I stated when Cobb made the commitment it was a real head scratcher. The most I could see from him was situational minutes and a practice player to help Steve and Juwan develop.

Now people in this forum demonstrate conclusively that two people can watch the same game and the same player in the same game and come to totally different conclusions. So knowing that I have my own biased perspective I proposed people watch the game that @Matrim55 posted in the Cobb thread to decide for themselves. I don't believe the vast majority chose to do that.

Based on that tape alone, I gave more weight to the posts which stated that KO really tried hard to get Steve to stay versus it was recommended he leave.
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There is so much, "I can has cheezeburger" in this thread, that it's a relief to read your post even if it doesn't come to a happy conclusion.

There were many years that The Boneyard wasn't a year round thing for me, and maybe it's time to check out until the end of the spring signing period. Or, perhaps, scan the Subject lines for hard news and intriguing OTs. In the meantime, I have all kinds of hip hop recommendations to check out via Spotify.
 
KSC94 said:
This article is really just a compilation of like 4 boneyard threads and uncommitted kids on the 247sports "targets" section for us
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Hans Sprungfeld said:
There is so much, "I can has cheezeburger" in this thread, that it's a relief to read your post even if it doesn't come to a happy conclusion.

There were many years that The Boneyard wasn't a year round thing for me, and maybe it's time to check out until the end of the spring signing period. Or, perhaps, scan the Subject lines for hard news and intriguing OTs. In the meantime, I have all kinds of hip hop recommendations to check out via Spotify.
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If anyone needs to find happiness or just not observe miserableness this forum should be avoided now and probably for a year or two.

There is no need to subject ourselves to futile situations when there are so many alternative choices in life. So says the dude who will continue to march in the battle of emotional morass and read these threads.

Of course one can get a benefit from staying here. One can observe how people handle adversity (denial, over reaction, under reaction, blame, polarization, egocentricity, goading, trolling ...).
 
RUSS56 said:
I hope that is not true, if it is, and we are now in "settling" mode, we are in big trouble.
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99 is too cryptic. It was situational. We had a commitment from Zach Brown, who, if things had worked out, would have most likely been the starting five with Steve the back up center. With Zach's commitment we lost out on other possibilities. The situation was obviously worse when we revoked his offer because it was even further in the recruiting period with less options available.

I get people are upset with the current situation. It doesn't help things when we let our emotions dismiss some or all of the events that may have led up to the situation.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
99 is too cryptic. It was situational. We had a commitment from Zach Brown, who, if things had worked out, would have most likely been the starting five with Steve the back up center. With Zach's commitment we lost out on other possibilities. The situation was obviously worse when we revoked his offer because it was even further in the recruiting period with less options available.

I get people are upset with the current situation. It doesn't help things when we let our emotions dismiss some or all of the events that may have led up to the situation.
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I agree I am cryptic
 
At this point, may as well just grab 4 RJ Evans-caliber players and call it a season. No point looking for the next Rakim Lubin or Leon Tolksdorf.
 
Whtdmd said:
Cobb will be a much better player then Enoch will be next yr if he stay at UConn. This is both on the offensive and defensive end. Have u watch the tapes and saw the rebounding stats for Cobb. He also can make a uncontested dunk. Enoch n Brimah were black holes on offense. The offense stops for 5 to10 sec when they got the ball. They can't pass n u wonder why we take contested jump shots to the end of shot clock
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Not sold he is better offensively than Enoch.
 
Chief00 said:
Not sold he is better offensively than Enoch.
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Enoch had solid moves, but was historically awful at putting the ball in the basket. Some guys just don't have it -- you see it in soccer all the time where a guy has dazzling skill, but can't finish.
 
husky99 said:
Not true. Cobbs is not a great player or even better in any mode of enoch. Step back.
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? I am confused with your response - I said I wasn't sold on Cobbs being better than Enoch and you seem to be saying the same thing / but you lead with "not true".
 
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Chief00 said:
? I am confused with your response - I said I wasn't sold on Cobbs being better than Enoch and you seem to be saying the same thing / but you lead with "not true".
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Sorry to much bourbon and lawn work. Miss read what you wrote
 
husky99 said:
Sorry to much bourbon and lawn work. Miss read what you wrote
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Save some bourbon for the season - you may need it.
If I was KO I would focus on the two CT transfers and a big. If we did that we would have plenty of scoring - assuming Terry comes back healthy.
 
Cobb will be better than Enoch?

Cobb won't be able to play 2 full possessions before he's gasping for air.
 
HawkHusky said:
Cobb actually wants to be here and contribute to the team. I like him much better than Enoch already.
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Bingo!

The kid wants to be here. The coaching staff thinks they can work with him. That's good enough for me.

But this is the Boneyard after all. The same posters who are complaining about him now will be the same ones who say they knew he was good if he turns out to be good...
 
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Pudge said:
I don't believe this ... NOR would most people that are in a sales or production business. You have tools & you have capacity. You just go hunt & gather. I can't see relationship segments by class matter.
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Any kids on the football team who are good basketball players? Has to be a few I would think.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
Enoch had solid moves, but was historically awful at putting the ball in the basket. Some guys just don't have it -- you see it in soccer all the time where a guy has dazzling skill, but can't finish.
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Personally, I believe Enoch was simply never given a chance. He was rarely on the floor for longer than a 5-6 minute stretch. Ollie saw this season falling apart. he saw Brimah was no better a player than he was last year, and he was constantly in foul trouble. Ollie had a chance to give Enoch a lot of experience this season, but he chose to stay with Brimah. I would have reversed the minutes, Enoch would of played a lot more, and to that effect, the fact that he is no longer here, is a direct by product of that. The kid got 20+ minutes in 3 games, and that was because of foul trouble by Brimah, and Facey. Maybe he didn't earn the time in practice, there are things I surely don't know about, but otherwise, I would have played Enoch 25 minutes a game, the team was going nowhere.
 
At times I would have liked to see Enoch get more playing time. From Ollie's perspective though, it was probably tough to reward someone who plays such poor defense with more playing time. I'm guessing if he played Brimah's minutes he would be the one in constant foul trouble.
 
RUSS56 said:
Personally, I believe Enoch was simply never given a chance. He was rarely on the floor for longer than a 5-6 minute stretch. Ollie saw this season falling apart. he saw Brimah was no better a player than he was last year, and he was constantly in foul trouble. Ollie had a chance to give Enoch a lot of experience this season, but he chose to stay with Brimah. I would have reversed the minutes, Enoch would of played a lot more, and to that effect, the fact that he is no longer here, is a direct by product of that. The kid got 20+ minutes in 3 games, and that was because of foul trouble by Brimah, and Facey. Maybe he didn't earn the time in practice, there are things I surely don't know about, but otherwise, I would have played Enoch 25 minutes a game, the team was going nowhere.
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I agree with you to an extent. I would have liked to see him get more minutes. But, while there were games where Enoch showed some promise and a few nifty post moves there were many more games where he had two fouls in 2 minutes, the other team ran right by him to the basket and he didn't even know where he was supposed to be on the floor during many possessions. There were offensive possessions where Adams, Purvis or Vital were gesturing and screaming at him to move where he was supposed to be and he didn't even seem to notice they were addressing him.
 
RUSS56 said:
Personally, I believe Enoch was simply never given a chance. He was rarely on the floor for longer than a 5-6 minute stretch. Ollie saw this season falling apart. he saw Brimah was no better a player than he was last year, and he was constantly in foul trouble. Ollie had a chance to give Enoch a lot of experience this season, but he chose to stay with Brimah. I would have reversed the minutes, Enoch would of played a lot more, and to that effect, the fact that he is no longer here, is a direct by product of that. The kid got 20+ minutes in 3 games, and that was because of foul trouble by Brimah, and Facey. Maybe he didn't earn the time in practice, there are things I surely don't know about, but otherwise, I would have played Enoch 25 minutes a game, the team was going nowhere.
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UCfor3 said:
At times I would have liked to see Enoch get more playing time. From Ollie's perspective though, it was probably tough to reward someone who plays such poor defense with more playing time. I'm guessing if he played Brimah's minutes he would be the one in constant foul trouble.
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I also would have preferred that Enoch get more time. But he was still pretty bad, even at the end of the floor that was supposedly his strength.
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
There is so much, "I can has cheezeburger" in this thread, that it's a relief to read your post even if it doesn't come to a happy conclusion.

There were many years that The Boneyard wasn't a year round thing for me, and maybe it's time to check out until the end of the spring signing period. Or, perhaps, scan the Subject lines for hard news and intriguing OTs. In the meantime, I have all kinds of hip hop recommendations to check out via Spotify.
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Something tells me Hans isn't going to be firing up his Tupac playlist on Spotify any time soon.

I, for one, got a lot out of that thread. :D
 
RUSS56 said:
Personally, I believe Enoch was simply never given a chance. He was rarely on the floor for longer than a 5-6 minute stretch. Ollie saw this season falling apart. he saw Brimah was no better a player than he was last year, and he was constantly in foul trouble. Ollie had a chance to give Enoch a lot of experience this season, but he chose to stay with Brimah. I would have reversed the minutes, Enoch would of played a lot more, and to that effect, the fact that he is no longer here, is a direct by product of that. The kid got 20+ minutes in 3 games, and that was because of foul trouble by Brimah, and Facey. Maybe he didn't earn the time in practice, there are things I surely don't know about, but otherwise, I would have played Enoch 25 minutes a game, the team was going nowhere.
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The kid couldn't stay on the floor. There's not much chance he would have been able to play 25 minutes a game before fouling out. Or giving up 40 point nights to the guy he's guarding.
 
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RUSS56 said:
Personally, I believe Enoch was simply never given a chance. He was rarely on the floor for longer than a 5-6 minute stretch. Ollie saw this season falling apart. he saw Brimah was no better a player than he was last year, and he was constantly in foul trouble. Ollie had a chance to give Enoch a lot of experience this season, but he chose to stay with Brimah. I would have reversed the minutes, Enoch would of played a lot more, and to that effect, the fact that he is no longer here, is a direct by product of that. The kid got 20+ minutes in 3 games, and that was because of foul trouble by Brimah, and Facey. Maybe he didn't earn the time in practice, there are things I surely don't know about, but otherwise, I would have played Enoch 25 minutes a game, the team was going nowhere.
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I agree, and said it all season long. The knives are now out for Steve and It's understandable, but he showed some beautiful offensive moves at times and while Brimah had very good offensive shooting percentages, a lot of it was alleys on a platter, so that was with a grain of salt. Enoch had to actually make a move to get a basket. KO cast his lot with Brimah. Now if you are Enoch's father or advisor and you watch Brimah fumbling every pass, not rebounding or scoring, no moves of any kind, and saw the limited PT all season, you would have to be bitter to KO. When our season was shot he should have given Enoch his chance. KO thought he was making the tourney or sweeping the AAC with AB, I think he lost touch with reality and that frankly worries me about him going forward. Now we have nothing down low.
 
intlzncster said:
The kid couldn't stay on the floor. There's not much chance he would have been able to play 25 minutes a game before fouling out. Or giving up 40 point nights to the guy he's guarding.
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I do agree with you in part, but the facts offer some separation. Brimah commited a foul every 7.75 minutes, Enoch every 6.52 minutes. Brimah as a freshman averaged a foul every 5.59 minutes. The point is if the kid is getting more significant minutes, and is treated like a prospect, instead of a suspect, maybe his numbers go down. Maybe his defense remains poor, maybe it improves, but the kid had to be on the floor longer to find that out, and it never happened. Brimah was a great off the ball defender, he was a poor on the ball defender.
 
This would have been much better if we were involved with guys like we were last year. Sure could use some guys like Isaac Vann or Taurean Thompson (have to imagine he'd have come here if our front court looked like this last year). Both of which we had a real shot at.
 
RUSS56 said:
I do agree with you in part, but the facts offer some separation. Brimah commited a foul every 7.75 minutes, Enoch every 6.52 minutes. Brimah as a freshman averaged a foul every 5.59 minutes. The point is if the kid is getting more significant minutes, and is treated like a prospect, instead of a suspect, maybe his numbers go down. Maybe his defense remains poor, maybe it improves, but the kid had to be on the floor longer to find that out, and it never happened. Brimah was a great off the ball defender, he was a poor on the ball defender.
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Enoch was both a bad On ball and off ball defender. He was absolutely horrible at the two things we needed from a big: defense and rebounding.

Brimah was a better option.

Steve Enoch has potential, but this was not his year.

Don't kid yourself
 
I was on here begging KO to give Enoch and Durham significant minutes during the season. Either KO doesn't read the BY or does and doesn't respect my basketball smarts, which, I have to tell you Kev, really hurts. The fact that neither guy got those minutes leads me to believe that KO didn't think they earned them and told them not to let the door hit you on the on the way out. If you're not a KO fan this is a sign of a sinking ship. If you're in the KO camp, which I am, he is saying in no uncertain it's my way or the highway. KO is going to try and do it with players who play his way. I think Ollie realizes he's got two years max to right the ship and he ain't gonna do it with SE and JD.
 
jibsey said:
I agree, and said it all season long. The knives are now out for Steve and It's understandable, but he showed some beautiful offensive moves at times and while Brimah had very good offensive shooting percentages, a lot of it was alleys on a platter, so that was with a grain of salt. Enoch had to actually make a move to get a basket. KO cast his lot with Brimah. Now if you are Enoch's father or advisor and you watch Brimah fumbling every pass, not rebounding or scoring, no moves of any kind, and saw the limited PT all season, you would have to be bitter to KO. When our season was shot he should have given Enoch his chance. KO thought he was making the tourney or sweeping the AAC with AB, I think he lost touch with reality and that frankly worries me about him going forward. Now we have nothing down low.
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I agree KO loss touch with reality last season - between the injuries, self inflicted bad protocol "concussions", guys being totally out of conditioned, and then losing all communication with certain players. He needs to realize that he needs some good Bigs in an environment where they can develop and we need guys who can play together and make baskets.
Durham and Enoch are big loses given our very weak front court situation.

How much weight has Cobb's loss since he signed? We are losing S&C time - without a replacement in place.
 
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