Kisunas commits to Stanford

[uconnfan68]

The statement was that it's the best place in the world to both study and play basketball. My opinion was that that is incorrect because the level of basketball played at Duke would make it better. If you were to give basketball and education equal weight and rank the 4 components here I would rank them as such:

1. Duke for Basketball
2. Stanford for Education
3. Duke for Education
4. Stanford for Basketball

1+3 > 2+4

If weighted heavier for education than your statement makes sense, if not than Duke is better because of the basketball.

No one on Duke’s team could get admitted to Stanford.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Well, whatever they are doing, it seems they are doing it better than anyone else, as their acceptance rate has been the most selective of any comparable US school for years and it keeps going lower and lower:

Admissions Rates at Record Low Across Ivy League, Stanford, MIT | News | The Harvard Crimson

It's a great school, no question. The "Stanford graduates are otherworldly creatures one can only hope to observe on television" seemed a bit over the top. I've got an associate from Stanford who's currently driving me up a g o d d a m n wall.

 

[nadav]

No one on Duke’s team could get admitted to Stanford.

If true, and I doubt it, maybe that's why Stanford's basketball team stinks.

But they do have all those Sears Cups!!

 

[alexd]

Putting my tie dye Lithuanian Hoops shirt back into storage.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

No one on Duke’s team could get admitted to Stanford.

If you're talking about getting admitted to Stanford to play basketball that's not even remotely true. As a normal undergrad, sure. But by that standard they wouldn't get into Duke, either.

 

[the Q]

If true, and I doubt it, maybe that's why Stanford's basketball team stinks.

But they do have all those Sears Cups!!

There was something that got out years ago that the duke teams avg sat score was like 850 or something like that. They were absurdly below normal duke standards

 

[SubbaBub]

Duke because the academics aren't that much different but the basketball is on a much higher level.

Yeah...if you want to be a lawyer/basketball analyst. If you want to go home and become a titan of Baltic industry, Stanford.

 

[JeepCSC]

No contest if he were a swimmer. Last year's senior class at Duke played in 16 NCAA tournament games and won 13 (2 FF and 1 title). Average 4 year run there. Stanford's class never played in the big dance.

Just because I don’t like to see Duke get more credit than they are legally entitled to, they won only 12 games and went to only 1 FF in the last 4 years.

 

[JeepCSC]

There was something that got out years ago that the duke teams avg sat score was like 850 or something like that. They were absurdly below normal duke standards

My aunt used to work at admissions at Duke. She never got into specifics, but she’d admit to the tough spots they’d be put in by the football and both basketball programs. Probably similar to most places, though I think perhaps more pronounced at a place where you are turning down valedictorians.

 

[Danzz]

Good for him, I visited Stanford's campus when I was out in San Fran and it was incredible. If I was able to choose any school in the country to go to (Besides UConn of course), Stanford would be at the top.

My pick: Pepperdine. Semi naked California girls on Malibu. I don't think it gets better than that. Not nearly as bright as the Stanford coeds but brains has never been a priority. Go Waves!!

 

[Travelman6]

Stanford>>>>>>> Duke. Hoops aside, it's not even close.

I think both are great UNIs that 95%+ of the population could never hope to get into (and Stanford is more likely 99%). Stanford, CIT or Cal Berkley are like the Ivys of the west.

For me, the difference is likely that Stanford holds its athletes to the same standards as every other student. Duke? I would guess, likely not.

 

[I Bleed Blue]

Let’s be real.

Stanford girls >>>>>>> Duke girls

Although Morgan Reid at Duke is bae

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

For me, the difference is likely that Stanford holds its athletes to the same standards as every other student.

That would certainly be admirable if it were true.

 

[8893]

My aunt used to work at admissions at Duke. She never got into specifics, but she’d admit to the tough spots they’d be put in by the football and both basketball programs. Probably similar to most places, though I think perhaps more pronounced at a place where you are turning down valedictorians.

Corey Maggette anyone?

 

[MadDogRevival]

Durham is more an old manufacturing town . . . . There are good things and bad things there.

Yeah. Dook is a bad thing there.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

This conversation has gone far too long but if you think that little of a duke education, you’re beyond being obtuse. Stanford is better, but by 2-3 slots in any academic ranking.

For what it's worth, U S News has Stanford at #5 tied with MIT, Columbia and Penn. Duke is all alone at #9. Both are ranked ahead of Dartmouth, Cornell and Brown. HYP or in this case, PHY and the University of Chicago are 1 thru 4.

 

[Marty Jackson]

And in any given year Michigan and many others are right there in the rankings, too. I am not just going by rankings; I am going by my own experience and observations. I know at least a dozen Duke grads from various vintages. They are all reasonably bright people, but nothing extraordinary, and if they didn't tell you--fat chance of that--you wouldn't be able to tell that they were educated at Duke as compared with dozens of other very good schools. Stanford is rarefied air and the people of whom I am aware who graduated from there are extraordinary and tend to be the type of people you see on TV or read about in the papers.

Maybe you hang out with the wrong people.

 

[8893]

Maybe you hang out with the wrong people.

Maybe. Certainty not a scientifically sound sample size.

I’ll rest on the acceptance rate though. Nothing will ever be unanimous here, but I find that to be a pretty unimpeachable stat. It’s so low that Duke can still slip into the top ten on some lists even though it accepts students at more than double the rate that Stanford does.

Of course none of this guarantees that the Stanford grad will be more useful to Big Ern.

 

[Mr. French]

For what it's worth, U S News has Stanford at #5 tied with MIT, Columbia and Penn. Duke is all alone at #9. Both are ranked ahead of Dartmouth, Cornell and Brown. HYP or in this case, PHY and the University of Chicago are 1 thru 4.

Chicago representin’.

Often forgotten in the great schools debate - not nationally recognized in Joe blow’s list.

 

[CAHUSKY]

My pick: Pepperdine. Semi naked California girls on Malibu. I don't think it gets better than that. Not nearly as bright as the Stanford coeds but brains has never been a priority. Go Waves!!

Just a guess, but you’ve never been to Pepperdine. My ex did undergrad and law school at Pepperdine and while it’s a beautiful campus and a fine academic institution it’s a also a Christian school with a really boring campus life. If you want half naked, California coeds on the beach you want to be at UCSB or SDSU. That, my friend, is the real rarified air.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Chicago representin’.

Often forgotten in the great schools debate - not nationally recognized in Joe blow’s list.

There was a time when the motto, "Where fun goes to die" was self-reported.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

For what it's worth, U S News has Stanford at #5 tied with MIT, Columbia and Penn. Duke is all alone at #9. Both are ranked ahead of Dartmouth, Cornell and Brown. HYP or in this case, PHY and the University of Chicago are 1 thru 4.

Also, fwiw, QS World University rankings pegged Stanford at #2 (tops in US) and Duke at #21. UConn came in at #431. Likely weighted in favor of research output & other impact measurements.

 

[uconnfan68]

If true, and I doubt it, maybe that's why Stanford's basketball team stinks.

But they do have all those Sears Cups!!

Not what I’ve heard or read, but I also don’t remember a one-and-done from Stanford.

 

[Goat]

I have a similar experience...sort of. A friend and work colleague was Duke undergrad and BC law. Bright, but not exceptional. Another friend and colleague was MIT - transfer to Stanford Engineering, and then Stanford Law. He's a notch above. Our head of engineering at a start up SW company I worked at in Los Gatos back in the late 90's was a Stanford History major. Pretty brilliant really. I think part of the difference is the focus being so much more often engineering related at Stanford than Duke. I'll be honest, I've met lots of Harvard grads, and few of them have struck me as particularly brilliant either. Stanford is like a hybrid of Harvard and MIT.

Over heard from a check out person at a Cambridge, MA, grocery in the 12 item line spoken to the person ahead of me, "I can't decide if you're from Harvard and can't add or from MIT and can't read."

 

[intlzncster]

Over heard from a check out person at a Cambridge, MA, grocery in the 12 item line spoken to the person ahead of me, "I can't decide if you're from Harvard and can't add or from MIT and can't read."

And that person is so totally Cambridge it's hilarious.

 

[willie99]

1) Education
2) Basketball
3) Location
4) Social Life
5) Influential alumni / contacts (except for basketball)

4 out of 5 go to Stanford

Footnote: if you're a top twenty pick or a one and done player, 1 and 2 can be switched

And Dook is a great school academically, one of the top ranked schools in the country, it's just not better than Stanford.

 

[Danzz]

Just a guess, but you’ve never been to Pepperdine. My ex did undergrad and law school at Pepperdine and while it’s a beautiful campus and a fine academic institution it’s a also a Christian school with a really boring campus life. If you want half naked, California coeds on the beach you want to be at UCSB or SDSU. That, my friend, is the real rarified air.

This changes everything.

 

[the Q]

Just a guess, but you’ve never been to Pepperdine. My ex did undergrad and law school at Pepperdine and while it’s a beautiful campus and a fine academic institution it’s a also a Christian school with a really boring campus life. If you want half naked, California coeds on the beach you want to be at UCSB or SDSU. That, my friend, is the real rarified air.

This is the best post we've had on here all week.

 

[Waquoit]

Corey Maggette anyone?

On that team it was William Avery. I parked next to an "Iron Duke" at the Tampa NC. He said that each team got one exemption from the normal admissions process and it was Avery. He also said it wasn't fair that football only had one exemption. "That's why we can never get a good tailback"

 

[Robertelamin]

Nerd thread. Just remember that Kyrie Irving thinks the earth is flat and Mark Madsen may be a serial killer.