Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[pj]

I know the Big Ten is already planning on adding one additional conference game to the B1G's sleight of conference games in the near future. There is even banter about perhaps adding a tenth conference game to the schedule. That seems to be a popular idea, at least among fans. So, the probability of adding an extra top-tier team to any given season's schedule is just a little greater, even if the conference is expanded. Win/loss/bowl eligibility issues aside, I know I'd much rather pay good money to watch Rutgers, Maryland, UConn, Virginia or Kansas play my home team, than watch a couple of body bag games. Even if my team is not playing Michigan, Michigan St., Penn State, Nebraska, or Ohio St., the atmosphere of the middle-of-the-pack games are a lot of fun, because they're so competitive.

If an increase to 10 conference games per year occurred simultaneously with UConn's accession as a #15 football school, it eases scheduling issues if B1G teams have previously scheduled UConn OOC in the leadup to the agreement. The "OOC" game with UConn just becomes the 10th conference game.

This is why you can't take B1G teams scheduling UConn as evidence we're not joining, even if you assume the ADs know the B1G's plans. It is more likely to be a good sign. At worst, it indicates the B1G schools like having UConn on their schedules. That's not a bad thing.

 

[Dooley]

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 3m
Division 1 ADs about to go into closed session with Mark Emmert, Harris Pastides and Rita Chang (two presidents on steering committee)

 

[UConnDan97]

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken 3m
Division 1 ADs about to go into closed session with Mark Emmert, Harris Pastides and Rita Chang (two presidents on steering committee)

Only good things can come from something like that...

 

[noeynox]

If You're Following The Obannon Case, The P5 Is The Next "Cartel" That Is Going To Get Sued. I Think This Autonomy Bs Is About Creating A Straw Man Argument For Their Greed.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Dan WolkenVerified account
‏@DanWolken Many ADs here at NACDA have mentioned the Shabazz Napier "hungry" comment to me. Judy Rose just blasted it as well during this panel.



What's this about?

 

[Dooley]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 1m
WVU’s Luck said in 2011 if B12 blew up, B12/Big East would have merged: Bay, KU, KSU, ISU, TCU, UL, UC, RU, WVU, USF, UCF, UConn

 

[upstater]

Dan WolkenVerified account
‏@DanWolken Many ADs here at NACDA have mentioned the Shabazz Napier "hungry" comment to me. Judy Rose just blasted it as well during this panel.

What's this about?

It's amazing that ADs like Rose can be so out of touch with how her own students live.

Every student on every campus understands what Shabazz was saying.

You are guaranteed 21 meals a week in the dining halls. Those halls are open limited hours. Beyond that, you are given credits so you can purchase food from any number of vendors on campus who have much longer hours. If your credits run out, and the dining halls are closed, and you have no money, where are you going to get your food?

 

[upstater]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 1m
WVU’s Luck said in 2011 if B12 blew up, B12/Big East would have merged: Bay, KU, KSU, ISU, TCU, UL, UC, RU, WVU, USF, UCF, UConn

So, he thinks Texas Tech, Texas, Okie St. and OU would have been P12? Missouri didn't have an SEC berth at that point in time.

 

[Dooley]

More on earlier tweet about the fictional/potential 2011 Big East/B12 merge...

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 14s
Big 12 not expanding & how Big 12/Big East nearly merged in 2011 http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11066269/big-12-ads-say-no-discussions-expansion…

"While conference expansion has slowed considerably, Luck revealed a plan he had three years ago that would have merged teams from the Big 12 and Big East conferences.

In September 2011, the Big East was stunned by the departures of Pitt and Syracuse, and the Big 12 was in danger of losing four schools to the Pac-12.

"My favorite story that hasn't been written," Luck said. "After Syracuse and Pittsburgh (announced they were leaving for the ACC), that was in the same time frame that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were playing footsie with (Pac-12 commissioner) Larry (Scott) and the Big East was a mess."

So Luck began cold-calling athletic directors at Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State with a proposal.

"I didn't know those guys from Adam," Luck said. "I knew the schools. I told them, 'Your conference may fall apart. You guys look like you might get left behind. Why don't we take all of you and TCU, which was kind of homeless."

Luck's plan, which also had the support of Louisville athletic Tom Jurich, was also to add UCF for a 12-team Big East divided into two divisions: West: Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU and Louisville; East: UConn, Cincinnati, Rutgers, West Virginia, South Florida and UCF.

"I remember thinking: 'That's not a bad conference,'" Luck said. "And we would have kept the affiliation with the (Big East) basketball schools, because they loved the addition of Kansas. They (the Big 12 schools) also liked it. They were nervous as hell, too. We had a series of phone calls. That was sort of our best option."

Luck said he had three or four phone discussions with the Big 12 schools. Then-Big East commissioner John Marinatto was not involved in the discussions and no formal offer was extended, but the Big 12 schools -- if left behind by the schools headed to the Pac-12 -- were prepared for the merger.

"At that point in time, we were ready to flip the switch," Currie said."

 

[Carl Spackler]

It's amazing that ADs like Rose can be so out of touch with how her own students live.

Every student on every campus understands what Shabazz was saying.

You are guaranteed 21 meals a week in the dining halls. Those halls are open limited hours. Beyond that, you are given credits so you can purchase food from any number of vendors on campus who have much longer hours. If your credits run out, and the dining halls are closed, and you have no money, where are you going to get your food?

Oh - that.

I was thinking about the "hungry Huskies" comment during the tourney and what AD's could possibly be taking issue with that.

 

[upstater]

Oliver Luck seems to think West Virginia brings more value than a school like UConn. As always, Luck is talking out of his butt, and we know for a fact the Catholics opposed adding more teams, esp. from the B12.

 

[junglehusky]

Oliver Luck seems to think West Virginia brings more value than a school like UConn. As always, Luck is talking out of his butt, and we know for a fact the Catholics opposed adding more teams, esp. from the B12.

This isn't quite news, the B12-BE merger rumor was going around back then. Luck isn't completely talking out of his butt; the Catholics (urged by Fox) eventually split and negotiated the rights for the Big East name anyway. If the TX/OU to the Pac-16 scenario happened, the subsequent BE-B12 merger would just have accelerated the C7 leaving.

 

[upstater]

This isn't quite news, the B12-BE merger rumor was going around back then. Luck isn't completely talking out of his butt; the Catholics (urged by Fox) eventually split and negotiated the rights for the Big East name anyway. If the TX/OU to the Pac-16 scenario happened, the subsequent BE-B12 merger would just have accelerated the C7 leaving.

I acknowledged that the talk was there but we already heard from insiders that the Catholics were NOT going to go for it, and this was at lest 2 years before they talked to Fox.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Oliver Luck seems to think West Virginia brings more value than a school like UConn. As always, Luck is talking out of his butt, and we know for a fact the Catholics opposed adding more teams, esp. from the B12.

WVU is in a division 1A/FBS intercollegiate athletics conference currently labeled as "P5", as determined by television revenue around football and potentially soon, NCAA rules and regulations as well as television revenue - and we are not in such an intercollegiate conference. Unfortunately, Luck can talk out his butt all he wants, and think whatever he wants, and the Catholics of the now defunct Big East conference, can protest whatever they want whenever they want, and it won't help change anything for us - then - or now.

 

[upstater]

WVU is in a division 1A/FBS intercollegiate athletics conference currently labeled as "P5", as determined by television revenue around football and potentially soon, NCAA rules and regulations as well as television revenue - and we are not in such an intercollegiate conference. Unfortunately, Luck can talk out his butt all he wants, and think whatever he wants, and the Catholics of the now defunct Big East conference, can protest whatever they want whenever they want, and it won't help change anything for us - then - or now.

???????????????

 

[Ha Who]

WVU is in a division 1A/FBS intercollegiate athletics conference currently labeled as "P5", as determined by television revenue around football and potentially soon, NCAA rules and regulations as well as television revenue - and we are not in such an intercollegiate conference. Unfortunately, Luck can talk out his butt all he wants, and think whatever he wants, and the Catholics of the now defunct Big East conference, can protest whatever they want whenever they want, and it won't help change anything for us - then - or now.

I hear you. I am tired of dissing schools that got a seat when the music stopped and are in a better spot than us.

 

[upstater]

I hear you. I am tired of dissing schools that got a seat when the music stopped and are in a better spot than us.

Oliver Luck is my target, not WV. When Luck says his fantasy league included the Catholics, he's talking out of his butt. When he says that no one in the G5 has monetary value above the B12, he is talking out of his butt.

 

[clmssun]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 1m
WVU’s Luck said in 2011 if B12 blew up, B12/Big East would have merged: Bay, KU, KSU, ISU, TCU, UL, UC, RU, WVU, USF, UCF, UConn

... and I have wasted my time (before I finally learned my lesson) conveying this very scenario to the Dude to his continuous denial. I still think KSU, ISU, TCU, Bay, WVU, UCF, and USF end up as a conference in the future. (I think UConn will be in ACC or B1G when this happens).

 

[businesslawyer]

Oliver Luck is my target, not WV. When Luck says his fantasy league included the Catholics, he's talking out of his butt. When he says that no one in the G5 has monetary value above the B12, he is talking out of his butt.

I don't understand your second point. He is not saying that BYU, for example, doesn't have value over Iowa State. He's saying that BYU won't bring up the average take of the conference, which is hardly an irrational belief.

 

[SAMCRO]

Oliver Luck seems to think West Virginia brings more value than a school like UConn. As always, Luck is talking out of his butt, and we know for a fact the Catholics opposed adding more teams, esp. from the B12.

So did the B12

 

[upstater]

I don't understand your second point. He is not saying that BYU, for example, doesn't have value over Iowa State. He's saying that BYU won't bring up the average take of the conference, which is hardly an irrational belief.

We've been batting around UConn's value for ages now. Looking at the money UConn has generated for rightsholders, and what happened with SNY and the monthly subscription, UConn generated a hefty amount, even when these revenues are split between the producer/network and the school itself. 1.75 million TV households times the extra $1 a month fee.

 

[upstater]

So did the B12

D'Oh? It did? You're saying nothing else worked into their decision but monetary value? Is that right?

 

[Husky92]

I hear you. I am tired of dissing schools that got a seat when the music stopped and are in a better spot than us.

I'm not. I'm going to keep dissing them until the day comes that we get a spot at the same table, then someone else can go and diss me (and my school) but I won't care!

 

[woomba]

So, he thinks Texas Tech, Texas, Okie St. and OU would have been P12? Missouri didn't have an SEC berth at that point in time.

Larry Scott brokered a deal where those 4 schools would have joined the Pac-12. It got killed by the Pac-12 presidents when he brought it up to them - apparently he never asked the presidents how they would feel about the move before trying to move ahead with it.

 

[SAMCRO]

D'Oh? It did? You're saying nothing else worked into their decision but monetary value? Is that right?

Where did I say "monetary value" exclusively? I said the B12 valued WVU more than UConn. There are a lot of factors that determine value (money, geography, athletic success, academic mission and success, interest in making a move, to name only a few). This was in response to your comment that Luck was talking out of his butt as he seemed to think WVU brings more value than a school like UConn. The proof of B12 thinking WVU added more value than UConn is in their invitation of WVU to join their conference while UConn continues to twist in the wind. And he's right, WVU does add more value to the B12 than UConn. Just as UConn would add more value to the B1G than WVU (I'm not even going to fathom a guess as to what adds value to the ACC since that seems to change by the week).

 

[upstater]

Larry Scott brokered a deal where those 4 schools would have joined the Pac-12. It got killed by the Pac-12 presidents when he brought it up to them - apparently he never asked the presidents how they would feel about the move before trying to move ahead with it.

Right. But that was early on. If you remember, Texas continued to be courted long after that, and considered moving.

 

[upstater]

Where did I say "monetary value" exclusively? I said the B12 valued WVU more than UConn. There are a lot of factors that determine value (money, geography, athletic success, academic mission and success, interest in making a move, to name only a few). This was in response to your comment that Luck was talking out of his butt as he seemed to think WVU brings more value than a school like UConn. The proof of B12 thinking WVU added more value than UConn is in their invitation of WVU to join their conference while UConn continues to twist in the wind. And he's right, WVU does add more value to the B12 than UConn. Just as UConn would add more value to the B1G than WVU (I'm not even going to fathom a guess as to what adds value to the ACC since that seems to change by the week).

Luck was talking about money. This discussion is about money.

 

[Kolumbo]

Mr. SEC wrote this morning...but he never got around to his second point, which teams have the best chance of breaking into the P5 if there is a D4...
http://mrsec.com/2014/06/division-iv-created-get-ready-conference-realignment/

 

[kyleslamb]

Pet peeve: really wish people would stop using the terminology D-4 (most especially the media and administrative folks). It's not really a fourth division. It's a third sub-division that will [potentially] have some autonomy that expands beyond football.

Unfortunately, though, even Mike Slive uttered the phrase, so now it's an epidemic haha.

 

[Kolumbo]

Pet peeve: really wish people would stop using the terminology D-4 (most especially the media and administrative folks). It's not really a fourth division. It's a third sub-division that will [potentially] have some autonomy that expands beyond football.

Unfortunately, though, even Mike Slive uttered the phrase, so now it's an epidemic haha.

So if they get "autonomy," they stay in Division I with their special rules. If not, they split off, but it's not really D4 because it's not part of the NCAA. Is that correct?