Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[UConnJim]

They are still locked in. It’s all a bit silly. I don’t think there are homes for those schools in leagues that will pay then any more. ACC deal is better than the Big XII deal. The B1G is starting to realize it already has too many teams.

The ACC deal and the Big 12 deal are about the same. And, ACC revenues are at risk as I believe ACC Network revenues are peaking and cord cutting will start the ACCN revenue decline. The Big 12's media deal is shorter than the ACC's deal, so the next Big 12 deal is the real decider of which conference has the better deal. Plus, it's unlikely any Big 12 team has P2 options where a number of ACC schools may so Big 12 is the more stable LT conference from a membership basis. Of course, we one day may see the top ACC and Big 12 schools form a new conference to get rid of the low value schools.

As for conferences being too big, the ACC commissioner just said that he doesn't think all the ACC schools should participate in the conference basketball tournaments. Schools like Cincinnati will play 21 games on ESPN+ this year. So why would a P4 conference want/need more basketball schools?

 

[HuskyHawk]

The ACC deal and the Big 12 deal are about the same. And, ACC revenues are at risk as I believe ACC Network revenues are peaking and cord cutting will start the ACCN revenue decline. The Big 12's media deal is shorter than the ACC's deal, so the next Big 12 deal is the real decider of which conference has the better deal. Plus, it's unlikely any Big 12 team has P2 options where a number of ACC schools may so Big 12 is the more stable LT conference from a membership basis. Of course, we one day may see the top ACC and Big 12 schools form a new conference to get rid of the low value schools.

As for conferences being too big, the ACC commissioner just said that he doesn't think all the ACC schools should participate in the conference basketball tournaments. Schools like Cincinnati will play 21 games on ESPN+ this year. So why would a P4 conference want/need more basketball schools?

ACC payout on linear increases each year no matter what. It was a back end loaded deal. It passes the Big XII in a couple of years. I agree with the rest, but I think these ACC schools are making a huge mistake. The renewal for the Big XII? My prediction is that it will be level or go down. The revenues just aren't there from ESPN and Fox. Suddenly the ACC deal will look very good, plus you've got a nice footprint, local rivals, reasonable travel costs. Things every school should value a lot more than they do.

 

[billybud]

The Big East and SEC remain more regional in nature...

And that, too me, has not been appreciated enough.

 

[TheCatsLair]

ACC payout on linear increases each year no matter what. It was a back end loaded deal. It passes the Big XII in a couple of years. I agree with the rest, but I think these ACC schools are making a huge mistake. The renewal for the Big XII? My prediction is that it will be level or go down. The revenues just aren't there from ESPN and Fox. Suddenly the ACC deal will look very good, plus you've got a nice footprint, local rivals, reasonable travel costs. Things every school should value a lot more than they do.

The Big 12's new TV deal also has an escalator clause so it will remain ahead of the ACC. Also, there is no way the Big 12's TV deal decreases, especially after expansion. The worst case scenario is that it gets paid by CBS or NBC but how can someone say the revenue won't be there by 2030. You're talking 5 to 7 years from now.

There's a reason why FSU's president and AD publicly talked about their concern over the Big 12 going to market again before they had a chance. FSU projected the ACC's payout to be 60 million in 2028, the Big 12's should project to be closer to 65 million due to other deals. That's why the Four Corners chose the Big 12 over the ACC.

 

[billybud]

The FSU AD specifically is concerned about the Big Ten and SEC payouts......There is such a vast delta..

That's according to Navigate, a sports and entertainment market research company.

Their research projects the Big Ten projecting $75 million per school per year by 2025 and the SEC crossing $100 million per school by 2028.

Meanwhile, the ACC, Big 12, and Pac-12 are projected to top out in the mid-50s.

A wee bit optimisric on Pac 12 (this was last year's research)

 

[TheCatsLair]

The ACC deal and the Big 12 deal are about the same. And, ACC revenues are at risk as I believe ACC Network revenues are peaking and cord cutting will start the ACCN revenue decline. The Big 12's media deal is shorter than the ACC's deal, so the next Big 12 deal is the real decider of which conference has the better deal. Plus, it's unlikely any Big 12 team has P2 options where a number of ACC schools may so Big 12 is the more stable LT conference from a membership basis. Of course, we one day may see the top ACC and Big 12 schools form a new conference to get rid of the low value schools.

As for conferences being too big, the ACC commissioner just said that he doesn't think all the ACC schools should participate in the conference basketball tournaments. Schools like Cincinnati will play 21 games on ESPN+ this year. So why would a P4 conference want/need more basketball schools?

Keep on mind the Big 12's basketball will move to Fox in 2025 eliminating the vast majority of ESPN+ streaming of it. Fox does not have primary streaming.

 

[ramses 2.0]

The Big 12's new TV deal also has an escalator clause so it will remain ahead of the ACC. Also, there is no way the Big 12's TV deal decreases, especially after expansion. The worst case scenario is that it gets paid by CBS or NBC but how can someone say the revenue won't be there by 2030. You're talking 5 to 7 years from now.

There's a reason why FSU's president and AD publicly talked about their concern over the Big 12 going to market again before they had a chance. FSU projected the ACC's payout to be 60 million in 2028, the Big 12's should project to be closer to 65 million due to other deals. That's why the Four Corners chose the Big 12 over the ACC.

The Big 12's deal is part of a extension that starts at around 25 & ends at 31.7 but the ACC also has a extension that doesn't kick in until 2027/2028. That's why you still have the Raycom package of games that were to expensive to buy back early. So the ACC will be ahead of the Big 12 from a media rights distribution especially when you factor in the ACCN

 

[Sea Goat]

Syracuse will finally become competitive.

Syracuse has been a notable under performer in the ACC. It has been protected by its loyal hacks at ESPN. It continue to bring nothing to the ACC. Eventually that hard fact will lead to its demise...

 

[Vowelguy]

The B1G is starting to realize it already has too many teams.

And your evidence for this is?

All the pro leagues have 30+ teams and seem to do just fine.

 

[Vowelguy]

Whether the B12 has the better or worse deal than the ACC right now is irrelevant.

The ACC is going to get raided. The B12 isn't.

And the B12 is a lot stronger than the ACC remnants, and will take a clear revenue lead. Why would any B12 team leave that for the ACC?

 

[HuskyHawk]

And your evidence for this is?

All the pro leagues have 30+ teams and seem to do just fine.

The Gavitt games was an indication of it. This is going to be terrible for fans of the original teams.

 

[auggie22]

The Gavitt games was an indication of it. This is going to be terrible for fans of the original teams.

Your post implied the B1G (the institution) was starting to regret having so many teams, and that is hard to believe without a source, given only a few months ago they voted to expand ever more.

 

[UConnJim]

Keep on mind the Big 12's basketball will move to Fox in 2025 eliminating the vast majority of ESPN+ streaming of it. Fox does not have primary streaming.

ESPN and FOX are splitting Big 12 basketball (number of games has not been disclosed) with ESPN carrying the basketball championship game. FOX will need some content to replace the Pac 12 content (21 on FS1 and 4 on FOX this year), so that is where the 4 corner schools will help. Think of ESPN+ as the "Big 12 Conference Network" similar to BTN, ACCN, and SECN and ESPN+ is one of ESPN's growth drivers. Remember, the vast majority of P4 college basketball games are being shown on the conference networks not on the main networks. I think you will find more Big 12 basketball games on FOX/FS1, but you will still see most games on ESPN+.

 

[billybud]

Syracuse has been a notable under performer in the ACC. It has been protected by its loyal hacks at ESPN. It continue to bring nothing to the ACC. Eventually that hard fact will lead to its demise...

I wouldn't be surprised to see them fire Baber (well, actually I don't think that they care)...I've watched his team give up.

Last night VT beat them by 28 points, UNC beat them by 33, FSU beat them by 38

 

[AZHuskiePop]

The Big East and SEC remain more regional in nature...

And that, too me, has not been appreciated enough.

I predict the Big East ( possibly only the eastern teams) will merge with the ACC remnants .
in what still will be a regional conference . Possibly adding Navy , Army , UCF , USF . Possible WVA , and Cinncy who would much prefer to be regional .
FAU even has a shot if Miami

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

CBSN isn’t bad if you watch the games on mute.

I hate watching games on cbssports. The broadcasters are always seemingly lifelong fans and experts on our opponents and our guys are after thoughts. Even for our home games. They dedicated like 30 minutes to some lady who had been to every USF game. Who GAF?

 

[Hogoff]

I hate watching games on cbssports. The broadcasters are always seemingly lifelong fans and experts on our opponents and our guys are after thoughts. Even for our home games. They dedicated like 30 minutes to some lady who had been to every USF game. Who GAF?

The CCSU announcers were better in the game last night.

 

[JMick]

I predict the Big East ( possibly only the eastern teams) will merge with the ACC remnants .
in what still will be a regional conference . Possibly adding Navy , Army , UCF , USF . Possible WVA , and Cinncy who would much prefer to be regional .
FAU even has a shot if Miami

Will the Big East agree though? I don't see any of the schools besides us being interested unless we can't get any media deal.

I still see the SEC as a dark horse to merge with the Big East (if a merger of any sort happens). It keeps the conference on the east coast and solidifies the conference as #1 in college sports. That branding goes a long way to push the semi-pro model. It gives a ton of high quality inventory for streaming and hits a ton of markets that they will never get otherwise. As a direct to consumer model it makes sense.

 

[Sole]

Will the Big East agree though? I don't see any of the schools besides us being interested unless we can't get any media deal.

I still see the SEC as a dark horse to merge with the Big East (if a merger of any sort happens). It keeps the conference on the east coast and solidifies the conference as #1 in college sports. That branding goes a long way to push the semi-pro model. It gives a ton of high quality inventory for streaming and hits a ton of markets that they will never get otherwise. As a direct to consumer model it makes sense.

This is a interesting take…I think it makes sense but probably would never happen..

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Will the Big East agree though? I don't see any of the schools besides us being interested unless we can't get any media deal.

I still see the SEC as a dark horse to merge with the Big East (if a merger of any sort happens). It keeps the conference on the east coast and solidifies the conference as #1 in college sports. That branding goes a long way to push the semi-pro model. It gives a ton of high quality inventory for streaming and hits a ton of markets that they will never get otherwise. As a direct to consumer model it makes sense.

The other moron Big East schools would rather add Farleigh Dickinson and loyal Chicago before Duke and Cuse

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Will the Big East agree though? I don't see any of the schools besides us being interested unless we can't get any media deal.

I still see the SEC as a dark horse to merge with the Big East (if a merger of any sort happens). It keeps the conference on the east coast and solidifies the conference as #1 in college sports. That branding goes a long way to push the semi-pro model. It gives a ton of high quality inventory for streaming and hits a ton of markets that they will never get otherwise. As a direct to consumer model it makes sense.

Your assuming there will be a choice
Survival is the operative word

 

[Stinger92860]

And your evidence for this is?

All the pro leagues have 30+ teams and seem to do just fine.

The pro teams play one sport. They are aligned by divisions and leagues with room for limited inter divisional play. With a limited number of games, like Football, it’s doable. The NFL also plays 3/4 days a week, which I do not believe the B1G prefers. In the end it’s all about the money, so it does not matter. The B1G would go to 32 teams for more money per team. I am a firm believer that the top FB schools will eventually leave their conferences to create a new football only conference which will take in almost NFL type money.

 

[Storrs South]

From SBJ:

 

[shizzle787]

From SBJ:

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Just hoping for around $7 million per year and the continuation of all games on linear TV.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Just hoping for around $7 million per year and the continuation of all games on linear TV.

1mm and 40/60 streaming. Fox is paying 4 new Big10 schools. That money is gone.

 

[Sole]

Just hoping for around $7 million per year and the continuation of all games on linear TV.

$7 million is about the minimum.. hopefully more

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Just hoping for around $7 million per year and the continuation of all games on linear TV.

$7 million is about the minimum.. hopefully more

What is the current contract paying the conference members?

I have a feeling that $7mm per school per year is a massive increase. I'm not sure it is attainable.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

What is the current contract paying the conference members?

I have a feeling that $7mm per school per year is a massive increase. I'm not sure it is attainable.

Roughly $4M per team.

No shot of $7M per team - best case the money and linear exposure stay the same.

 

[ZooCougar]

What is the current contract paying the conference members?

I have a feeling that $7mm per school per year is a massive increase. I'm not sure it is attainable.

It’s not. It’s fantasy land stuff.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

People need to realize this is the Big East tv deal not UConn tv deal. It’s as much about what UConn is worth as it’s about what DePaul and Butler are worth.

Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Utah, Stanford etc were going to get 20 million for streaming basketball AND football . If you think Butler basketball is going to get 7 million and be on Fox or FS1 every game you are a damn fool.