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ScottVib said:
UConn fans should've had their eyes opened when the school was once again bypassed from every viable (then P5) P4 option, basketball matters very little in the scheme of realignment and isn't going to "save" the school. I don't think that as the P4 seeks to maximize basketball and tournament revenues for themselves, that there will be any pause given to the thought of "what about the Big East?" Ultimately, UConn needs to find a home in any one of those leagues. While I don't think UConn would take a Gonzaga deal at $2M for the Big XII (that's actually a raise for Gonzaga), but if the money is equal, let alone if there is any kind of increase UConn needs to jump at any kind of opportunity.

I don't think the next Big East deal is going to be anywhere near the windfall some were predicting a couple of seasons ago, or even last year. The Big East is nice to have, not must have property for the networks, even more so if you go to a streaming first model. Other than UConn & Villanova there are no other schools in the conference that on their own makes a game worth-airing. Creighton, Marquette, St. John's all are brands worth airing only if they are having success or making the news (for example if Pitino can stir up enough controversy to make St. John's the Colorado football of NCAA hoops). In a streaming model, only UConn & Villanova have brands big enough to drive subscriptions and, other than UConn, all are small(ish) private universities which further limits the ability to monetize the Big East rights through subscriptions.
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I agree with everything except the potential of basketball to save UConn
The fact that the D1 schools get 17% of the money they earn from the second best tournament in the world .is crazy to me . Just increasing that number to 50% ( not the 80% football gets ) UConn would have
earned $30,000,000 for their conference this year . Spaced over 6 years . However a basketball team that averages 4 units a year is enriching its conference by $20,000,000 a year. Every P conference Would be a bidding war for top basketball schools with that simple adjustment . It’s not that BB isn’t valuable but the NCAA devalues it on purpose . That effects zero championships events or administration cost only the cash distribution to member schools by that body .
Why the P conferences
the Big East
A10
WCC
MW
AAC
MVC
CUSA
aren’t pushing the reform is baffling as there future is at stake
 
ScottVib said:
UConn fans should've had their eyes opened when the school was once again bypassed from every viable (then P5) P4 option, basketball matters very little in the scheme of realignment and isn't going to "save" the school. I don't think that as the P4 seeks to maximize basketball and tournament revenues for themselves, that there will be any pause given to the thought of "what about the Big East?" Ultimately, UConn needs to find a home in any one of those leagues. While I don't think UConn would take a Gonzaga deal at $2M for the Big XII (that's actually a raise for Gonzaga), but if the money is equal, let alone if there is any kind of increase UConn needs to jump at any kind of opportunity.

I don't think the next Big East deal is going to be anywhere near the windfall some were predicting a couple of seasons ago, or even last year. The Big East is nice to have, not must have property for the networks, even more so if you go to a streaming first model. Other than UConn & Villanova there are no other schools in the conference that on their own makes a game worth-airing. Creighton, Marquette, St. John's all are brands worth airing only if they are having success or making the news (for example if Pitino can stir up enough controversy to make St. John's the Colorado football of NCAA hoops). In a streaming model, only UConn & Villanova have brands big enough to drive subscriptions and, other than UConn, all are small(ish) private universities which further limits the ability to monetize the Big East rights through subscriptions.
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The money leagues can’t break off from the other leagues and have their own tournament without the big east… because the big east is one of the best conferences in the country… their tournament won’t look legit without the big east in it
 
How Sway?! said:
If the B12 gave us an all sports invite, we would have taken it, but they haven't and they have shown no willingness to do so. Taking a Gonzaga type deal would relegate us to second class citizens in the worst power conference.
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Worst power conference > Any G5 conference

Granted the BE is a Power conference in Basketball for now, but things will change and if history has taught us anything, the strong will get stronger and kick us in the nuts.
 
Beachview said:
The money leagues can’t break off from the other leagues and have their own tournament without the big east… because the big east is one of the best conferences in the country… their tournament won’t look legit without the big east in it
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Pluck off 2/3/4 of the Big East upper tier programs and the money leagues have their cake and eat it too. Added bonus to them is Big East is then a carcass conference.
 
Beachview said:
The money leagues can’t break off from the other leagues and have their own tournament without the big east… because the big east is one of the best conferences in the country… their tournament won’t look legit without the big east in it
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The Big East world be quickly forgotten about within a year, the same way we were forgotten about when we landed in the AAC
 
JohnFSilver said:
Oh man. You are assuming no other institution wants to better themselves.

You have competitors, all over. The days of conferences coming to you are over. Now you have to go to conferences and it's a race to the bottom just to stay associated.

This is all conjecture and reading tea leaves, I just don't think the Big East can make it in the current environment. It doesn't have enough revenue options. It needs bigger schools and higher revenue sports.
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The Big East should reconsider the hybrid model. But with whom, and who could they interest as a suitor to broadcast those games?

The usual suspects would be Temple, USF, Memphis, to go along with UConn. With Army about to head to the AAC, maybe they'd be interested along with Navy, UMass and ECU? Navy Army could be FB only.
 
noeynox said:
The Big East should reconsider the hybrid model. But with whom, and who could they interest as a suitor to broadcast those games?

The usual suspects would be Temple, USF, Memphis, to go along with UConn. With Army about to head to the AAC, maybe they'd be interested along with Navy, UMass and ECU? Navy Army could be FB only.
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That really worked the last time.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
I agree with everything except the potential of basketball to save UConn
The fact that the D1 schools get 17% of the money they earn from the second best tournament in the world .is crazy to me . Just increasing that number to 50% ( not the 80% football gets ) UConn would have
earned $30,000,000 for their conference this year . Spaced over 6 years . However a basketball team that averages 4 units a year is enriching its conference by $20,000,000 a year. Every P conference Would be a bidding war for top basketball schools with that simple adjustment . It’s not that BB isn’t valuable but the NCAA devalues it on purpose . That effects zero championships events or administration cost only the cash distribution to member schools by that body .
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Averaging 4 units a season is an entirely unrealistic proposition in men's basketball. That means you are in the Elite Eight each year. You get upset in the first round just once and it's impossible to make it up without a final four trip and a championship in the next two seasons (just to get back to that 4 unit a season average). For context, Kansas who hasn't missed a tournament since 1989, has only 14 Elite Eight appearances in that 33 season span.

Beyond that... it's not the NCAA "devaluing" the men's tournament. The NCAA realizes 85% of its income each year from the TV rights to the men's tournament. Sure they could give the schools more based on its performance, but it's coming from somewhere other than the NCAA as only 5% of the tournament revenue is being kept by the organization for administrative expenses. The performance units are the bonuses given to the high achieving schools, but the NCAA gives an additional 485.9M to the Division 1 conferences, schools and athletes without regard to the performance of the schools in the tournament, approximately 2.9 times what is given based on performance.
 
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How Sway?! said:
The big east schools, other than us, have no FBS football to worry about financing. They can finance their while AD with basketball. They are not going to trade their traditional peers for a southern football conference that won't even get them more money.

Gonzaga can take an Olympic sports invite for 3 million and be happy with it, we can't. We couldn't do an SMU deal because we didn't bring a new cable boxes, not because we couldn't afford it.
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You do not know this. Do not assume that they won’t. Goergetown, Villanova, St Nohn’s, Gonzaga to Big 12 BB only ahead of next b12 media contract?. How would this board feel about that?
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
The Big East is going to be a lot closer to the NEC than the ACC in 2 to 3 years
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I think it will take 4 - 6 years, but I agree.

Our only hope is to be dominant and build a larger fan base that is willing to stream our content. That is a major task.
 
Dooooooomed said:
LOL. Ya, it reminded me of this classic:
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Not an outlandish take, the Big East was coming off an anemic showing in 2018-19 whereas the AAC had a solid year. The guy wasn't really going out on much of a limb with this prediction at that particular point in time.
 
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JohnFSilver said:
You do not know this. Do not assume that they won’t. Goergetown, Villanova, St Nohn’s, Gonzaga to Big 12 BB only ahead of next b12 media contract?. How would this board feel about that?
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Don't assume that they will either. Again, it all depends on the next tv contract and what a basketball share in the B12 is worth. Until we know those figures, all of this conjecture, though you seem to convinced otherwise.
 
CTBasketball said:
Nothing matters. We’re not getting into a P4/5 conference unless things drastically change. Why can’t you just let us be happy!
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Ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise?
 
Maybe football and basketball will separate...different conferences...

Football power is now so concentrated that there is no team in the current AP Top 25 that won't be playing in the P4 next year...B1G, SEC, ACC, or Big 12 and Notre Dame as Indy.

Where are the G5s ?

Here....The Preseason basketball poll loves them...Preseason 2023-24 AP Ranking of Top 25.

FAU, Marquette, Creighton, UConn. SDSU, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Nova, St. John's...all ranked in poll.
 
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