Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Rufus]

All of those dramatic posts this morning that made this look like it might not happen was just dramatics. The PAC schools wanted to make it look like they did everything possible to stay together. Oregon and Washington turning down a B1G invite? That's laughable.

 

[auggie22]

And the media entities working with him have calculated it’s more profitable for them as well and indicated this to him when they backed his vision.

The statement by C9C9 if he is a reliable source indicated we are considered the number 1 bb brand in the number 2 sport.

UConn is to basketball what Alabama is to football.

he was referring to the NYC market. And also, did not claim to be an insider.

 

[JMick]

OSU at least has a good football team. Years ago Cal mattered. So did Stanford. Neither has a student body that cares about football anymore. I'm sure some alumni do.

Oregon State is historically terrible at football.

Recency bias on the internet is undefeated

 

[NH Husky]

I don't think you can explain UW and OR being invited, even at a lower compensation rate, other than the Big Ten's historical relationship with the Pac.

Or they use different criteria in their decision making.

The only decision they’ve made that has been inconsistent was Nebraska.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Oregon State is historically terrible at football.

Recency bias on the internet is undefeated

If we had a fraction of Oregon St's football track record we would have been in a P-5 more than a decade ago.

 

[GG]

So if there is now even more concern that the SEC and big 10 will break away from the other conferences, doesn’t our inclusion makes sense if we follow BY’s logic? I have read that he believes the other conferences will never compete with the SEC and Big 10 in football, so it is important to have the best basketball league. By having the elite bball teams in your conference, the SEC and Big 10 cannot break away. If that is his thought process, I assume he would prioritize UCONN over Utah.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

All of those dramatic posts this morning that made this look like it might not happen was just dramatics. The PAC schools wanted to make it look like they did everything possible to stay together. Oregon and Washington turning down a B1G invite? That's laughable.

Will you shut the fudge up already?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I don't think you can explain UW and OR being invited, even at a lower compensation rate, other than the Big Ten's historical relationship with the Pac.

The only conclusion I see is that the B1G knew they would eventually add those two and saw an opportunity to add them now at a discount.

 

[metsfan2323]

Hopefully the ACC decides to add two schools to keep up with everyone else. They could offer us a half share until 2036 and we would jump at it. Potential partners would be WVU (doubtful) Tulane, SMU. ACC basketball could use a boost.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Oregon State is historically terrible at football.

Recency bias on the internet is undefeated

I am well aware. Stadium is smaller than the Rent too. They are being left out for a reason. Just pointing out that a school with a current top 25 team is still not getting a call.

 

[ctchamps]

Yeah, but sadly college basketball is to college football what UAB is to Alabama.

3:1 ratio football:basketball in media distribution. But a good reason for that is because conferences get a reduced portion of the basketball monies. The lions share goes to the NCAA which feeds 350 schools.

Take out the NCAA, subtract most of the schools from the bb revenue and divide it up between 60 and 80 schools in the remaining power conferences. That would be a huge increase in monies to those conferences. And the number one property in basketball becomes a huge asset to the conference that that has the foresight to understand this.

 

[DGB]

Nobody really knows anything here, but one thing that should be obvious is with the PAC blowing up Zona, ASU, and Utah really don't have any more leverage than UConn does. The Big 12 isn't going to take any or all of them because three teams "banded together" according to some tweet, or the Arizona board of regents says so. Where the hell else is Zona going to go if the Big 12 doesn't meet their demands of taking ASU and Utah? In order to have any leverage they needed to leave before Wash and Oregon...they didn't.

No...the Big 12 will now pick the team(s) it wants from a collection of equally desperate Zona, UConn, ASU, and Utah. I don't see how they leave the one available eastern team on the table in this scenario, but I'm biased. My guess would be:

Big 12 takes Zona, UConn, and ASU. A version of the PAC limps along with Stanford, Cal, WSU, OSU, Utah, and 3-5 teams from the MWC (this actually wouldn't be a horrible conference...but not P5/4/3/whatever).

 

[Huskyforlife]

It’s still fascinating that there’s been nothing firm from ASU or Utah. Just rumors. We’re not dead until they’re official.

 

[Rico444]

 

[DCUconnfan]

It’s still fascinating that there’s been nothing firm from ASU or Utah. Just rumors. We’re not dead until they’re official.

It's still fascinating there's been nothing firm from Arizona, let alone those, and we have multiple sources already confirming Oregon & Washington are going to the B1G

 

[NowInStorrs]

Hopefully the ACC decides to add two schools to keep up with everyone else. They could offer us a half share until 2036 and we would jump at it. Potential partners would be WVU, Tulane, SMU.

How's that WVU pitch gonna go?

Hey you know how you're making pretty good money in the Big 12?

How about you come make less money in a conference that's going to get picked over when the GOR expires instead?

...Hello?

 

[uconnbaseball]

. There’s the kick.

 

[JMick]

If we had a fraction of Oregon St's football track record we would have been in a P-5 more than a decade ago.

Since joining the PAC they've had a .368 winning percentage

 

[businesslawyer]

It's still fascinating there's been nothing firm from Arizona, let alone those, and we have multiple sources already confirming Oregon & Washington are going to the B1G

My guess is that ASU, U of A and Utah will all end up in the XII but, now that they have all lost leverage:

1. There will probably be a discussion about Stanford, if not Cal as well;
2. Yormark certainly has time to make his case for UConn; and
3. Even if there is no uncertainty about who is coming, giving ASU's and Utah's expressed disdain for the Big XII, why not let them twist in the wind for a bit?

 

[Vowelguy]

The only conclusion I see is that the B1G knew they would eventually add those two and saw an opportunity to add them now at a discount.

I think there was always an expectation that the BiG would add more west coast schools to go with ucla usc. The thought was they were just waiting to get the SoCal schools on board and integrate them.

And yesterday it was confirmed that Wash and Ore had already been vetted, last year I think.

 

[Vowelguy]

I fully agree with your sentence. I respectfully fully disagree with your second. I don't think they bring anything worthy of $30M a year.

But ASU does?

(Not to mention KSU TT Hou WV …)

 

[Bongo Fury]

If the PAC schools sign a GOR , then they can add schools. Is the MWC exit fee 34M?

 

[businesslawyer]

But ASU does?

(Not to mention KSU TT Hou WV …)

It's irrelevant whether schools in a conference bring the per school payment or not -- just relevant for potential new additions.

ASU is a huge school, in a large and growing metropolis, who over time has had plenty of periods where they are above average on a P5 level in both hoops and pigskin. Am I hard pressed to make a case that, if we can be worth $30M to the XII, so could they? No, I am not hard pressed.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Since joining the PAC they've had a .368 winning percentage

Yeah, and for the lion's share of that time we were meandering in the Yankee Conference. If we played similar schedules to them over the past 65 years our winning percentage would have been around .120 (with nearly every win coming between 2003 to 2015).

Yes, on the top level most of these schools accomplished very little. The thing is, our story is we weren't even willing to try to compete on that level until this century and with that we were pretty solid for a while then fell off the map. As school we have a number of things going for us but when football becomes part of the equation, even of we were to exclude everything that anyone did prior to 2000 we need to get in line behind about 100 schools.

 

[CTBballfan243]

I’m thinking the ACC will try and grab Stanford and Cal. I wonder what type of $$$ that would bring to the ACC if any.