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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

nelsonmuntz said:
I wonder if Stanford and Cal are really doing this. Trev Alberts said the quiet part out loud. The end of cable bundling is going to change the business completely. If they aren't in this round of TV deals, then they missed the boat. There is going to be another round of realignment that will probably look a lot different than this one did. I personally think that the first group that starts building subscriptions, wins the next round. Or everyone could just keep chasing scraps of TV deals and see where that gets them.
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The group that had the most leverage to get the most base pay will win the next round.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Where will this base pay come from? Underpants Gnomes?
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The same place it does now: subscribers. Whether they are cable or streaming doesn't really matter. Money is money. Where it comes from who cares? The dollar amounts will look a bit different without that guaranteed cable carriage cashflow, but the conferences and schools with the big alumni bases that dutifully tune in to watch the games and don't make plans for Saturdays in the fall will ultimately bring in the most money. The same way it has always been.
 
djct1999 said:
Sadly, I am a New York Jets fan. If I believed the media, and I actually chose to, I was convinced Dalvin Cook was going to sign with Jets when he visited Sunday. Turns out he left without a deal. Why? Because he was trying to use them as levarage for a better deal with the Dolphins. He never intended to sign. So many on here and on twitter are saying Yormark is playing the Pac 12. Maybe its the other way around. Maybe the Pac 12 is Dalvin Cook and Yormark and Big 12 are the New York Jets. Maybe they are the ones being used.
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nelsonmuntz said:
Where will this base pay come from? Underpants Gnomes?
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The base pay will come from the negotiations with the service. The conferences aren’t built the same and some will have more pull than others. The SEC and Big10 (or a conference that has similar clout) will allow the streaming service to charge higher rates for streaming. To sign the conference to the service, they will want a base pay and an incentive for the streaming.
 
dayooper said:
The base pay will come from the negotiations with the service. The conferences aren’t built the same and some will have more pull than others. The SEC and Big10 (or a conference that has similar clout) will allow the streaming service to charge higher rates for streaming. To sign the conference to the service, they will want a base pay and an incentive for the streaming.
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Just like it worked out for TV and movies. Oh wait, exactly the opposite happened. Instead of the rich getting richer, the entire industry fragmented. But maybe college sports will buck that trend and the Big 10 and SEC will consolidate all the fans from the other schools.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Just like it worked out for TV and movies. Oh wait, exactly the opposite happened. Instead of the rich getting richer, the entire industry fragmented. But maybe college sports will buck that trend and the Big 10 and SEC will consolidate all the fans from the other schools.
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Why do you think the SEC and Big10 are acquiring the most watched programs? It won’t about the casual fan, it will be about the fans of the most watched programs. Are you trying to tell me that BC will draw enough subscriptions to make production worth while? And yes, there will be some sort of crossover between the Big10 and SEC. The university presidents will have to have some way to get exposure.

Yet, there will always be some sort of linear coverage. ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC and the other over the air networks will always have some role to play in our society. There has to be a way to get info to underserved parts of the country. You may not believe it, but there are large parts of the Great Lakes region that don’t have cell coverage even today. Go to the UP of Michigan and all they have is satellite TV and over the air broadcasts. Many of this people don’t have the money for satellite. There won’t be enough people to make cell coverage worth their while.
 
dayooper said:
Why do you think the SEC and Big10 are acquiring the most watched programs? It won’t about the casual fan, it will be about the fans of the most watched programs. Are you trying to tell me that BC will draw enough subscriptions to make production worth while? And yes, there will be some sort of crossover between the Big10 and SEC. The university presidents will have to have some way to get exposure.

Yet, there will always be some sort of linear coverage. ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC and the other over the air networks will always have some role to play in our society. There has to be a way to get info to underserved parts of the country. You may not believe it, but there are large parts of the Great Lakes region that don’t have cell coverage even today. Go to the UP of Michigan and all they have is satellite TV and over the air broadcasts. Many of this people don’t have the money for satellite. There won’t be enough people to make cell coverage worth their while.
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I bet there were plenty of musicians in 1999 who thought that the iPod wouldn't impact their revenue streams. I bet a lot of those actors and writers on strike thought that the linear TV gravy train would last forever too. But yeah, college sports is somehow immune from all this and everyone will send all their money to Michigan. Got it.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
The same place it does now: subscribers. Whether they are cable or streaming doesn't really matter. Money is money. Where it comes from who cares? The dollar amounts will look a bit different without that guaranteed cable carriage cashflow, but the conferences and schools with the big alumni bases that dutifully tune in to watch the games and don't make plans for Saturdays in the fall will ultimately bring in the most money. The same way it has always been.
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I'd add that with streaming, it's no longer a straight up football audience. Just look at when the women's team was going to be mainly on ESPN+. How many people in this state were going to pony up for the service so they could watch the women play? How many of you spent time helping your older family members or friends set up ESPN+!! I think that when it comes to streaming and demand, UConn will provide a boost. Football may not be what drives it for us but there is a large demand to watch our bball programs from our alumni and others. We will pay to watch our Huskies play.
 
UCFBfan said:
I'd add that with streaming, it's no longer a straight up football audience. Just look at when the women's team was going to be mainly on ESPN+. How many people in this state were going to pony up for the service so they could watch the women play? How many of you spent time helping your older family members or friends set up ESPN+!! I think that when it comes to streaming and demand, UConn will provide a boost. Football may not be what drives it for us but there is a large demand to watch our bball programs from our alumni and others. We will pay to watch our Huskies play.
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Football can and will be a plus, in as long as the school treats it like it matters and gives it the proper resources.
 
UCFBfan said:
I'd add that with streaming, it's no longer a straight up football audience. Just look at when the women's team was going to be mainly on ESPN+. How many people in this state were going to pony up for the service so they could watch the women play? How many of you spent time helping your older family members or friends set up ESPN+!! I think that when it comes to streaming and demand, UConn will provide a boost. Football may not be what drives it for us but there is a large demand to watch our bball programs from our alumni and others. We will pay to watch our Huskies play.
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You can argue that UConn listing the fact that the fans didn't want to go to a streaming provider as a concern is actually one of the marks against UConn in a future state where Streaming is key (now in fairness that was some time ago). A proven UConn that brought XXX,000 views or XX,000 subs to a streaming service to support a tertiary rights product would arguably be more valuable to a streaming future, rather than making a speculative case that they would. Don't get me wrong, UConn made the right move to leave the AAC, but some of the statements justifying the move don't age well in a future where streaming is a bigger part of the value proposition.
 
The Viking said:
I would imagine there are some presidents enjoying giving the finger to Notre Dame’s wishes since ND refuses to join full time.
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Those presidents chose them over us, they don't deserve to give the finger to Notre Dame after getting absolutely fleeced by them. I mean come on, accepting them as a member and letting them stay independent in the only sport generating significant income and the only driver of the Notre Dame brand?! They made this bed, they deserve to lie in it lol.
 
greenday61892 said:
Those presidents chose them over us, they don't deserve to give the finger to Notre Dame after getting absolutely fleeced by them. I mean come on, accepting them as a member and letting them stay independent in the only sport generating significant income and the only driver of the Notre Dame brand?! They made this bed, they deserve to lie in it lol.
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Explain to me what strategy these conferences were supposed to take with ND?

No one wants to force ND to a conference , fearing that they will pick, and thus enrich, a rival.

In particular right now, probably the only thing that saves the ACC is if ND joins. Neither the BiG nor the SEC want that to happen, so they will be more than content for the Irish to stay Indy.
 
Vowelguy said:
Explain to me what strategy these conferences were supposed to take with ND?

No one wants to force ND to a conference , fearing that they will pick, and thus enrich, a rival.

In particular right now, probably the only thing that saves the ACC is if ND joins. Neither the BiG nor the SEC want that to happen, so they will be more than content for the Irish to stay Indy.
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Everyone and their mother knows ND never joins any conference in football. The only true benefit to having Notre Dame in the conference is their football. Their other programs will hardly enrich a rival. The strategy should've been join with all or enjoy independence.
 
greenday61892 said:
Everyone and their mother knows ND never joins any conference in football. The only true benefit to having Notre Dame in the conference is their football. Their other programs will hardly enrich a rival. The strategy should've been join with all or enjoy independence.
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to be fair, ND is really 5/8's or so a conference member because it must play ACC schools. That is not "independent." worse still, the ACC let ND join the football conference for 1 season, 2020. The ACC is dancing with the devil.
 
ScottVib said:
You can argue that UConn listing the fact that the fans didn't want to go to a streaming provider as a concern is actually one of the marks against UConn in a future state where Streaming is key (now in fairness that was some time ago). A proven UConn that brought XXX,000 views or XX,000 subs to a streaming service to support a tertiary rights product would arguably be more valuable to a streaming future, rather than making a speculative case that they would. Don't get me wrong, UConn made the right move to leave the AAC, but some of the statements justifying the move don't age well in a future where streaming is a bigger part of the value proposition.
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Streaming issue was the fact that Espn+ isn’t ripe. The Espn+ platform is atrocious user experience.

And, the money wasn’t here and for some sports UConn was on the hook for production value.
 
Vowelguy said:
Explain to me what strategy these conferences were supposed to take with ND?

No one wants to force ND to a conference , fearing that they will pick, and thus enrich, a rival.

In particular right now, probably the only thing that saves the ACC is if ND joins. Neither the BiG nor the SEC want that to happen, so they will be more than content for the Irish to stay Indy.
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The way to force their hand is don't provide them a home for their olympic sports. The idea that someone has to or they will pick someone else for football is self defeating. They got that arrangement from the Big East and dropped the BE for the ACC in a NY minute. At 47, I'm old enough to remember ND with Digger Phelps and Depaul with Joey Meyer as BB independents. They were in rough shape. If the ACC eventually implodes it will be interesting who will be next to grab their ankles for them.
 
Vowelguy said:
Explain to me what strategy these conferences were supposed to take with ND?

No one wants to force ND to a conference , fearing that they will pick, and thus enrich, a rival.

In particular right now, probably the only thing that saves the ACC is if ND joins. Neither the BiG nor the SEC want that to happen, so they will be more than content for the Irish to stay Indy.
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No idea why Notre Dame gets to walk over it’s league mates. Unless you love the part-then relationship, what’s the point?

They don’t add value to acc imo.
 
Kolumbo said:
to be fair, ND is really 5/8's or so a conference member because it must play ACC schools. That is not "independent." worse still, the ACC let ND join the football conference for 1 season, 2020. The ACC is dancing with the devil.
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The ACC is the guy that's crushing on the cheerleader who never gave him the time of day but somehow didn't have a date to homecoming so she had to ask him. But instead of having self-respect and knowing she won't even acknowledge his existence starting the moment the dance is over, he says yes, hoping that won't happen. And yet

And just gonna get ahead of the "a little specific there guy you ok?" comments: a) I don't swing that way and b) I went to all my school dances happily stag haha
 
noeynox said:
The way to force their hand is don't provide them a home for their olympic sports. The idea that someone has to or they will pick someone else for football is self defeating. They got that arrangement from the Big East and dropped the BE for the ACC in a NY minute. .
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Thus proving my point. The ACC is not going to force ND to choose. If they do, they know ND will bail on them. Does that help the ACC? Hell no.

So tell me again why the ACC is going to give ND an ultimatum?
 

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