Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Seaa Blue]

Louisville is actually not that far behind Oklahoma..

Oklahoma is in the 9th round of your academic fantasy football draft. A position from which a difference maker can still be drafted and you analyze the field like crazy to find an advantage.

Louisville is back where you realize you forgot to draft an extra kicker or defense, or a 5th receiver or RB, and you just push buttons to get it over with.

 

[pj]

Louisville is actually not that far behind Oklahoma. You want stature in a school, why don't you check the school who's board you're trolling right now. Of course I mean UConn which has a more than respectable academic ranking of 60, but hey Oklahoma's is 111 and Louisville's is 171. That's just the academics, ask Barry Switzer how much cash was given to recruits in plain envelopes or how many wins Oklahoma got credit for in 2005. Oh yeah, the Big Ten wants them desperately. Or ask Rick Pitino how many whores he hired for the recruiting parties.

You are using undergraduate metrics. The B1G uses graduate/research metrics. By that standard, Louisville is non-existent and Oklahoma is close to Nebraska (legacy AAU evicted), Kansas (legacy AAU), and UConn.

If Oklahoma's academics count against it for B1G membership, then UConn's will count against us.

And if the B1G is going to be selective academically, they are limited to Texas from the B12, Colorado from the Pac12, or UNC and Virginia when the ACC agreements finally expire. Not clear that any of those are or will be available. Whereas Kansas, Oklahoma, and UConn are there to be had.

 

[huskyrob1]

You are using undergraduate metrics. The B1G uses graduate/research metrics. By that standard, Louisville is non-existent and Oklahoma is close to Nebraska (legacy AAU evicted), Kansas (legacy AAU), and UConn.

If Oklahoma's academics count against it for B1G membership, then UConn's will count against us.

And if the B1G is going to be selective academically, they are limited to Texas from the B12, Colorado from the Pac12, or UNC and Virginia when the ACC agreements finally expire. Not clear that any of those are or will be available. Whereas Kansas, Oklahoma, and UConn are there to be had.

Spin it any way you want, the fact is the average academic ranking of Big Ten schools is just around 50 or 60. They are not taking a school that's up in the hundreds, case closed. It almost sounds like you're trashing one of the few good things Uconn has going for it, by trying to equate it's stellar academics with Oklahoma's low standards.

 

[auggie22]

Spin it any way you want, the fact is the average academic ranking of Big Ten schools is just around 50 or 60. They are not taking a school that's up in the hundreds, case closed. It almost sounds like you're trashing one of the few good things UConn has going for it, by trying to equate it's stellar academics with Oklahoma's low standards.

Your sense of certainty is intoxicating.

 

[huskymedic]

Your sense of certainty is intoxicating.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Your sense of certainty is intoxicating.

The possibility of adding Texas (via Oklahoma) is intoxicating enough for B1G to forget Oklahoma's research shortfall.

Getting Oklahoma and Nebraska back together also has some intoxicating qualities.

 

[upstater]

Spin it any way you want, the fact is the average academic ranking of Big Ten schools is just around 50 or 60. They are not taking a school that's up in the hundreds, case closed. It almost sounds like you're trashing one of the few good things UConn has going for it, by trying to equate it's stellar academics with Oklahoma's low standards.

There are AAU schools in the hundreds. This is largely because the AAU knows what it's doing while USNWP doesn't.

If OU gets in the AAU, it is a very viable candidate no matter where it is ranked. Academically that is. I'm not so sure about its market.

Dont put too much stock in the USNews rankings. There are schools in the 50-60s that are nowhere near the level of schools in the 110s.

 

[billybud]

There are 60 AAU schools at present (62 if you count McGill and Toronto in Canada)

If you rule out the California schools, schools in the Big Ten, the SEC, and in the ACC...and if you add the restriction of having a chance to be actually football competitive in a P5 or will not be moving to FBS (letting out Brown, Carnegie Mellon, Harvard, Stony Brook, etc....the list of "possibles" narrows..

At some point, if they become available, do you take an Oklahoma or a Notre Dame without them having AAU status

 

[huskyrob1]

Dont put too much stock in the USNews rankings. There are schools in the 50-60s that are nowhere near the level of schools in the 110s.

What schools, name them. Name five way overated schools in the 50's & 60's and five schools in the 110's that you think are better. Name all ten.

 

[huskyrob1]

If OU gets in the AAU, it is a very viable candidate no matter where it is ranked. Academically that is. I'm not so sure about its market.

OU gets in the AAU when UCONN gets an SEC invite. I do agree on your view of OU's market though.

 

[buddy]

None of this matters at this time for UConn. The ACC has no reason to expand. The B1G took Rutgers. They can now take anybody. Academics, athletics don't matter. Only how much money can be made will matter in CR, and it looks more and more like UConn missed the last boat.

 

[upstater]

What schools, name them. Name five way overated schools in the 50's & 60's and five schools in the 110's that you think are better. Name all ten.

Where did you come up with 10? Huh?

Way overrated: Northeastern, Miami, Pepperdine, Villanova, Fordham, Clemson, BYU

Way underrated: Stony Brook, Buffalo, RIT, Missouri

 

[huskyrob1]

Only how much money can be made will matter in CR, and it looks more and more like UConn missed the last boat.

Really? So how did the SEC make a ton of money when they added Missouri and Texas A&M in 2012?

 

[huskyrob1]

Where did you come up with 10? Huh?

Way overrated: Northeastern, Miami, Pepperdine, Villanova, Fordham, Clemson, BYU

Way underrated: Stony Brook, Buffalo, RIT, Missouri

I came up with 10 based on what you said, smart guy.

"Dont put too much stock in the USNews rankings. There are schools in the 50-60s that are nowhere near the level of schools in the 110s."

The context of what you said here is that the USNWP rankings are for the most part inaccurate, and in the very next sentence you tag on "schools" plural with some in the 50's and 60's and some in the "110's". The implication of more than just a couple schools is there.

 

[upstater]

I came up with 10 based on what you said, smart guy.

"Dont put too much stock in the USNews rankings. There are schools in the 50-60s that are nowhere near the level of schools in the 110s."

The context of what you said here is that the USNWP rankings are for the most part inaccurate, and in the very next sentence you tag on "schools" plural with some in the 50's and 60's and some in the "110's". The implication of more than just a couple schools is there.

Err, OK...

 

[huskymedic]

Err, OK...

Bless you... I was getting dizzy.

 

[billybud]

You can pick what you rate...

Some universities are big on research with recognized STEM programs and do well if the ratings are slanted towards research/science...other universities have very well respected undergraduate, liberal arts, business, education and law programs.

We all have a "perspective" and there are many rating agencies....some of you (including myself) wouldn't think of Alabama as having the #13 ranked law school (Business Insider who ranks U's)...or Kentucky's law school at #21. USNWR has Bama's law school at #28.

Some states differentiate the purpose of the state's individual universities...like in Florida.

 

[dogged1]

I think there is no question that the ACC is a wonderful conference and UConn would be a very proud and contributory member to its continued success. However, to keep rubbing in to UConn fans here how bad UConn is and how they were not selected in FSU's interest, just reeks. That is why you sometimes get such a bronx cheer welcome here. Most people here realize that with changing climate of CR and cable networks, it is now unlikely that UConn will get out of the G5. It is very difficult to accept being demoted and you need to really understand the vitriol that comes your way.

I liked your post but there are times when billybud crosses the line and I don't think he deserves the courtesy of an explanation.

 

[buddy]

I liked your post but there are times when billybud crosses the line and I don't think he deserves the courtesy of an explanation.

It doesn't sink in anyways.

 

[upstater]

You can pick what you rate...

Some universities are big on research with recognized STEM programs and do well if the ratings are slanted towards research/science...other universities have very well respected undergraduate, liberal arts, business, education and law programs.

We all have a "perspective" and there are many rating agencies....some of you (including myself) wouldn't think of Alabama as having the #13 ranked law school (Business Insider who ranks U's)...or Kentucky's law school at #21. USNWR has Bama's law school at #28.

Some states differentiate the purpose of the state's individual universities...like in Florida.

It's not about that at all. Not at all. There are better ratings agencies that spend many millions sending people to campus to go through everything with a fine tooth comb. And frankly, all the faculty I have ever known are interested in grad students and their own research. It is very hard to stay on top of your field when you take emphasis off of that. Schools with the best grad programs will attract the best faculty. Full stop. It's just the way it is.

 

[Slasher]

Cincinnati is way underrated in USNews as well. They are median or above a large number of AAU schools, but are still waiting on an invite. If you do research into AAU the most likely schools to be next are Cincy, UAB, USF type schools.

 

[billybud]

It's not about that at all. Not at all. There are better ratings agencies that spend many millions sending people to campus to go through everything with a fine tooth comb. And frankly, all the faculty I have ever known are interested in grad students and their own research. It is very hard to stay on top of your field when you take emphasis off of that. Schools with the best grad programs will attract the best faculty. Full stop. It's just the way it is.

Everybody says that AAU emphasizes having federal research monies in medicine and science....

Interesting perspectives...

Univ. left out of ‘old boys’ club’

 

[upstater]

Everybody says that AAU emphasizes having federal research monies in medicine and science....

Interesting perspectives...

Univ. left out of ‘old boys’ club’

There are many schools outside the AAU that have more research money in science and medicine than many schools inside the AAU.

So, no, it isn't about racking up dollars.

AAU insists on breadth across the disciplines. You have to be a total university, good at many things. You also have to have highly productive faculty because research and publication is measured.

My previous post is not schools like Williams and Swarthmore that draw excellent faculty regardless of research opportunities, but more about comparing, say, Villanova to a Stony Brook.

 

[upstater]

Cincinnati is way underrated in USNews as well. They are median or above a large number of AAU schools, but are still waiting on an invite. If you do research into AAU the most likely schools to be next are Cincy, UAB, USF type schools.

I doubt it. See my post above about research funding and AAU metrics. There's a reason why a lot of AAU schools have a lot less research money than Cincy but are in, while Cincy remains on the outside. The AAU warns its schools against slashing its core traditional programs. Stony Brook for instance is threatened because their new Dean is indeed hacking away at highly regarded programs. A dangerous game for them.

 

[UConnJim]

Cincinnati is way underrated in USNews as well. They are median or above a large number of AAU schools, but are still waiting on an invite. If you do research into AAU the most likely schools to be next are Cincy, UAB, USF type schools.

Cincinnati has a lot of positives, but a 76% acceptance rate and a 28% 4-year graduation rate would be near or at the bottom of AAU schools.