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Swofford’s comment about “adding another school” for divisional balance should the Irish come in is new, although not unexpected. UConn would be the most likely candidate to be mentioned for that 16th ACC spot due to its athletic and academic profile and geography.

However, if the ACC ever landed college football’s great green whale – Notre Dame – the increased value, branding and profile the Irish would bring the league would put it on an even footing with the Big Ten and SEC. Don’t rule out Texas as a potential ACC add if that were ever to happen. While geographically mismatched, Texas’ academic and athletic profile fit the ACC perfectly and the ACC could be more willing to acquiesce to Texas’ in finding a solution for how to accommodate its Longhorn Network than the SEC or Big Ten.
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Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 27m 27 minutes ago
I repeat the notion that no discussions about full membership have taken place are simply wrong. They had to take place. Context matters.

Adam‏ @HoneyRoyPalmer 25m 25 minutes ago
Replying to @TimBrando
If, in theory, ND ever did join the ACC, any idea which school they'd consider for their 16th spot?

Tim Brando‏ @TimBrando 77 minutes ago
Replying to @HoneyRoyPalmer
Yes.UCONN. It may take a while, but ND is leaving a lotta cash on the table with Independence.Next few FB seasons will determine fate.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Oklahoma isn't going anywhere until Texas says it's time.
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I think if Oklahoma could get into the Big 10 and reunite with Nebraska, that would look awfully good to them right now. And the Big 10 would probably like to have Oklahoma to beef up their western division.
 
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There are a few ACC schools looking at these numbers and asking themselves if they really want to compete with SEC & B1G schools that are going to be making $20+MM more a year or whether it makes sense to join them.

The ACC apologists will tell us AGAIN, about how ESPN has promised a network by 2019 and how that will bring the revenue numbers more in line. Until it launches I will continue to call BS.

I think these numbers are telling everyone that there will likely be 1 more shakeup in the CR landscape. With all the TV contracts expiring around the same time I believe that the SEC & B1G will cherry pick the last couple schools they want to fill their dance card and leave everyone else to scramble.
 
What do you want athletic department revenue for?

To field teams that are competitive...the ACC has done well with that...football and basketball national championships in the same school year...9-3 bowl record.

No need to be an apologist for this conference.

Next year, the Big 12 won't look as good against the ACC...

This year, the Orange Bowl was a playoff bowl...and the conference did not get that revenue...next year the Big 12's contract bowl is a playoff bowl so they won't collect the $40 million that they did this year but $6 million...while the ACC will get their contract bowl amount...it's a three year cycle.

The Big 12 has their deal with the devil...10 mouths to feed...for all the good and the bad that comes with being significantly smaller than the other P5 conferences.
 
billybud said:
What do you want athletic department revenue for?

To field teams that are competitive...the ACC has done well with that...football and basketball national championships in the same school year...9-3 bowl record.

No need to be an apologist for this conference.

Next year, the Big 12 won't look as good against the ACC...

This year, the Orange Bowl was a playoff bowl...and the conference did not get that revenue...next year the Big 12's contract bowl is a playoff bowl so they won't collect the $40 million that they did this year but $6 million...while the ACC will get their contract bowl amount...it's a three year cycle.

The Big 12 has their deal with the devil...10 mouths to feed...for all the good and the bad that comes with being significantly smaller than the other P5 conferences.
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And yet, here you are.
 
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Got to provide some facts...I understand the need for schadenfreude, but perspective is also important.
 
IthacaMatt said:
I think if Oklahoma could get into the Big 10 and reunite with Nebraska, that would look awfully good to them right now. And the Big 10 would probably like to have Oklahoma to beef up their western division.
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The Big Ten wouldn't invite Oklahoma, they're not an AAU member and are light years away from ever becoming an AAU member, and their academic ranking at 111 is not up to Big Ten standards.
 
huskyrob1 said:
The Big Ten wouldn't invite Oklahoma, they're not an AAU member and are light years away from ever becoming an AAU member, and their academic ranking at 111 is not up to Big Ten standards.
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People need to get over the idea that AAU Membership is a requirement for B1G Membership. This is simply not true. Its a strong preference, but lack of membership alone will not disqualify a school from being accepted. Nebraska was invited with full knowledge by conference members that a movement to have their AAU Membership revoked was ongoing. ND remains a candidate in perpetuity and The Irish will never be affiliated with the AAU for a myriad of reasons.

Oklahoma is a good school, a state flagship, and they bring a national brand in football to the table. Potentially the most important thing of all is that they could be the carrot at the end of the stick used to lure Texas. Delany would give his left arm to get The Horns into the conference. If UCONN had the same type of relationship with ND, UNC or some other highly coveted prospect in the manner OU does with UT, I suspect they would be viewed in an even more flattering light.
 
billybud said:
Got to provide some facts...I understand the need for schadenfreude, but perspective is also important.
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I think there is no question that the ACC is a wonderful conference and UConn would be a very proud and contributory member to its continued success. However, to keep rubbing in to UConn fans here how bad UConn is and how they were not selected in FSU's interest, just reeks. That is why you sometimes get such a bronx cheer welcome here. Most people here realize that with changing climate of CR and cable networks, it is now unlikely that UConn will get out of the G5. It is very difficult to accept being demoted and you need to really understand the vitriol that comes your way.
 
Ldandy said:
People need to get over the idea that AAU Membership is a requirement for B1G Membership. This is simply not true. Its a strong preference, but lack of membership alone will not disqualify a school from being accepted. Nebraska was invited with full knowledge by conference members that a movement to have their AAU Membership revoked was ongoing. ND remains a candidate in perpetuity and The Irish will never be affiliated with the AAU for a myriad of reasons.

Oklahoma is a good school, a state flagship, and they bring a national brand in football to the table. Potentially the most important thing of all is that they could be the carrot at the end of the stick used to lure Texas. Delany would give his left arm to get The Horns into the conference. If UConn had the same type of relationship with ND, UNC or some other highly coveted prospect in the manner OU does with UT, I suspect they would be viewed in an even more flattering light.
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Jim Delaney would have to be crazy to invite Oklahoma. They are known cheaters, paying recruits, etc going all the way back to the Barry Switzer years, and even as recently as 2005 the NCAA forced them to forfeit all their wins. Add to that their academic ranking stinks. I will say that if Texas wanted in the Big Ten, they probably would get an invite, their academic ranking is very good and they are an AAU member, only sticking point might be Longhorn TV. Forget Oklahoma, they're the Big 12's version of Louisville.
 
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huskyrob1 said:
Jim Delaney would have to be crazy to invite Oklahoma. They are known cheaters, paying recruits, etc going all the way back to the Barry Switzer years, and even as recently as 2005 the NCAA forced them to forfeit all their wins. Add to that their academic ranking stinks. I will say that if Texas wanted in the Big Ten, they probably would get an invite, their academic ranking is very good and they are an AAU member, only sticking point might be Longhorn TV. Forget Oklahoma, they're the Big 12's version of Louisville.
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You have a strange view of Oklahoma, but having read this board now for the last few years I find your viewpoint on the majority of things to be strange. Louisville dreams it could be a university of the stature of Oklahoma both on the field and in the classroom.
 
Ldandy said:
You have a strange view of Oklahoma, but having read this board now for the last few years I find your viewpoint on the majority of things to be strange. Louisville dreams it could be a university of the stature of Oklahoma both on the field and in the classroom.
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Louisville is actually not that far behind Oklahoma. You want stature in a school, why don't you check the school who's board you're trolling right now. Of course I mean UCONN which has a more than respectable academic ranking of 60, but hey Oklahoma's is 111 and Louisville's is 171. That's just the academics, ask Barry Switzer how much cash was given to recruits in plain envelopes or how many wins Oklahoma got credit for in 2005. Oh yeah, the Big Ten wants them desperately. Or ask Rick Pitino how many whores he hired for the recruiting parties.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Louisville is actually not that far behind Oklahoma..
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Oklahoma is in the 9th round of your academic fantasy football draft. A position from which a difference maker can still be drafted and you analyze the field like crazy to find an advantage.

Louisville is back where you realize you forgot to draft an extra kicker or defense, or a 5th receiver or RB, and you just push buttons to get it over with.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Louisville is actually not that far behind Oklahoma. You want stature in a school, why don't you check the school who's board you're trolling right now. Of course I mean UConn which has a more than respectable academic ranking of 60, but hey Oklahoma's is 111 and Louisville's is 171. That's just the academics, ask Barry Switzer how much cash was given to recruits in plain envelopes or how many wins Oklahoma got credit for in 2005. Oh yeah, the Big Ten wants them desperately. Or ask Rick Pitino how many whores he hired for the recruiting parties.
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You are using undergraduate metrics. The B1G uses graduate/research metrics. By that standard, Louisville is non-existent and Oklahoma is close to Nebraska (legacy AAU evicted), Kansas (legacy AAU), and UConn.

If Oklahoma's academics count against it for B1G membership, then UConn's will count against us.

And if the B1G is going to be selective academically, they are limited to Texas from the B12, Colorado from the Pac12, or UNC and Virginia when the ACC agreements finally expire. Not clear that any of those are or will be available. Whereas Kansas, Oklahoma, and UConn are there to be had.
 
pj said:
You are using undergraduate metrics. The B1G uses graduate/research metrics. By that standard, Louisville is non-existent and Oklahoma is close to Nebraska (legacy AAU evicted), Kansas (legacy AAU), and UConn.

If Oklahoma's academics count against it for B1G membership, then UConn's will count against us.

And if the B1G is going to be selective academically, they are limited to Texas from the B12, Colorado from the Pac12, or UNC and Virginia when the ACC agreements finally expire. Not clear that any of those are or will be available. Whereas Kansas, Oklahoma, and UConn are there to be had.
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Spin it any way you want, the fact is the average academic ranking of Big Ten schools is just around 50 or 60. They are not taking a school that's up in the hundreds, case closed. It almost sounds like you're trashing one of the few good things Uconn has going for it, by trying to equate it's stellar academics with Oklahoma's low standards.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Spin it any way you want, the fact is the average academic ranking of Big Ten schools is just around 50 or 60. They are not taking a school that's up in the hundreds, case closed. It almost sounds like you're trashing one of the few good things UConn has going for it, by trying to equate it's stellar academics with Oklahoma's low standards.
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Your sense of certainty is intoxicating.
 
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auggie22 said:
Your sense of certainty is intoxicating.
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auggie22 said:
Your sense of certainty is intoxicating.
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The possibility of adding Texas (via Oklahoma) is intoxicating enough for B1G to forget Oklahoma's research shortfall.

Getting Oklahoma and Nebraska back together also has some intoxicating qualities.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Spin it any way you want, the fact is the average academic ranking of Big Ten schools is just around 50 or 60. They are not taking a school that's up in the hundreds, case closed. It almost sounds like you're trashing one of the few good things UConn has going for it, by trying to equate it's stellar academics with Oklahoma's low standards.
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There are AAU schools in the hundreds. This is largely because the AAU knows what it's doing while USNWP doesn't.

If OU gets in the AAU, it is a very viable candidate no matter where it is ranked. Academically that is. I'm not so sure about its market.

Dont put too much stock in the USNews rankings. There are schools in the 50-60s that are nowhere near the level of schools in the 110s.
 
There are 60 AAU schools at present (62 if you count McGill and Toronto in Canada)

If you rule out the California schools, schools in the Big Ten, the SEC, and in the ACC...and if you add the restriction of having a chance to be actually football competitive in a P5 or will not be moving to FBS (letting out Brown, Carnegie Mellon, Harvard, Stony Brook, etc....the list of "possibles" narrows..

At some point, if they become available, do you take an Oklahoma or a Notre Dame without them having AAU status
 
upstater said:
Dont put too much stock in the USNews rankings. There are schools in the 50-60s that are nowhere near the level of schools in the 110s.
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What schools, name them. Name five way overated schools in the 50's & 60's and five schools in the 110's that you think are better. Name all ten.
 
upstater said:
If OU gets in the AAU, it is a very viable candidate no matter where it is ranked. Academically that is. I'm not so sure about its market.
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OU gets in the AAU when UCONN gets an SEC invite. I do agree on your view of OU's market though.
 
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