Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[mavblues]

This is, by far the best CR forum out there. The only one that comes close is the VT board.

Vermont has a conference realignment board?

 

[dayooper]

Vermont has a conference realignment board?

They've been trying to get into the Ivy for years.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

They've been trying to get into the Ivy for years.

Actually, UVM's planning to add gridiron and hoping to rejoin the Yankee Conference with BU.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Actually, UVM's planning to add gridiron and hoping to rejoin the Yankee Conference with BU.

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA.



BU football is, and will remain, undefeated since 1997 for eternity. We ain't coming back.

 

[MountainMan]

There are far less deserving P5 schools. I remember the media playing violins for KU when it looked like the B12 was dead and it would end up in the BE. What's odd to me is that the same media has few issues with UConn's fate. UConn, athletically and academically, is above the median in most measurable of P5 membership yet it somehow has to earn its way in.

I think you are severely underestimating the effect a young football program has on the process of realignment. What are the youngest football programs in the p-5?

The only successful yong FBS program I know of is Boise 1996 and they are still in the MW. Not sure I could even name a p-5 football program that is young. I think FSU is somewhat new but that was still the 40's.

 

[atom58]

I think you are severely underestimating the effect a young football program has on the process of realignment. What are the youngest football programs in the p-5?

The only successful young FBS program I know of is Boise 1996 and they are still in the MW. Not sure I could even name a p-5 football program that is young. I think FSU is somewhat new but that was still the 40's.

Yes, we were Florida State College until the Buckman Bill of 1905 turned us into Florida State College for Women. It remained that way until the GI bill and 1947 when the school became Florida State University. A CFB team was formed in 1947 despite opposition from UFla. However, before the Buckman Bill we did play CFB for a three year period from 1902. Ga Tech was among the teams played in those early days of the leather helmet era. I read that 1905 was also the year that 19 CFB players died playing the sport nationally.

 

[UConnNick]

Yes, we were Florida State College until the Buckman Bill of 1905 turned us into Florida State College for Women. It remained that way until the GI bill and 1947 when the school became Florida State University. A CFB team was formed in 1947 despite opposition from UFla. However, before the Buckman Bill we did play CFB for a three year period from 1902. Ga Tech was among the teams played in those early days of the leather helmet era. I read that 1905 was also the year that 19 CFB players died playing the sport nationally.

That unfortunate 1905 season is the reason we currently have the NCAA. President Theodore Roosevelt told the colleges if they didn't do something to clean up the sport and make it safer on the playing field, he was going to shut it down completely. Little did Teddy know what the NCAA was to become over 100 years later.....a mismanaged, corrupt and hopelessly inept body which enjoys non-profit status while it rakes in gazillions.

 

[junglehusky]

Actually, UVM's planning to add gridiron and hoping to rejoin the Yankee Conference with BU.

Baylor to the YanCon... sure why not.

 

[Chin Diesel]

That unfortunate 1905 season is the reason we currently have the NCAA. President Theodore Roosevelt told the colleges if they didn't do something to clean up the sport and make it safer on the playing field, he was going to shut it down completely. Little did Teddy know what the NCAA was to become over 100 years later.....a mismanaged, corrupt and hopelessly inept body which enjoys non-profit status while it rakes in gazillions.

The Ying to Roosevelt's NPS Yang.

 

[kingdobbs]

They've been trying to get into the Ivy for years.

Leaving ECAC Hockey was a weird way to do that then. Unless it's some kind of weird tsundere thing where they're pretending they don't even like you in the hopes that you'll notice them.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Yes, we were Florida State College until the Buckman Bill of 1905 turned us into Florida State College for Women. It remained that way until the GI bill and 1947 when the school became Florida State University. A CFB team was formed in 1947 despite opposition from UFla. However, before the Buckman Bill we did play CFB for a three year period from 1902. Ga Tech was among the teams played in those early days of the leather helmet era. I read that 1905 was also the year that 19 CFB players died playing the sport nationally.

What I really want to know is why the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale/Palm Beach area is called South Florida; but the U South Florida is located in Tampa?

 

[sportsart]

Oh good. I was hoping for another derailed CR thread.

 

[HuskyBandDad]

That would be JP Morgan.

Manhattan College was originally located in the Financial District in the early 20th century until JP Morgan bought them out of their property for a nice chunk of change. Manhattan College then bought up the land they are currently on in Riverdale and moved the entire campus to the Bronx.

This is why I read the Boneyard. I learn something new every time.

 

[RedStickHusky]

Oh good. I was hoping for another derailed CR thread.

there are rails?

 

[dayooper]

Leaving ECAC Hockey was a weird way to do that then. Unless it's some kind of weird tsundere thing where they're pretending they don't even like you in the hopes that you'll notice them.

All of the popular girls tried that with me at my high school. They pretended they didn't like me to get my attention. They even went as far as turning around and walking away when I went up and talked to them. Yup, they were REALLY good at that game at my high school.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Big 12: "It depends upon what the meaning of the word is is."

 

[NYUConn]

Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the University of Oklahoma

 

[MountainMan]

There is absolutely no doubt that the single person who has done the most to destabilise the conference in David Boren. Every time he opens his mouth he puts his foot in it. The wallflower comments were just plain stupid and then the comments that set off this last round of expansion just added to his resume. He has painted himself in a corner and can't figure out what the hell to do.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

 

[atom58]

For them not to expand after all this would be simply unbelievable. I think the most likely combination would UConn, Cincinnati, and BYU - pick two of the above if they want to show the world that they can at least count to 12 again and regain their namesake. It will be 14 if the Fox vs. ESPN whispers are true - Fox wants an Eastern expansion and ESPN wants cheap properties without supporting the Big 12 long term in which case you expand to 14 to cash in right now.

 

[jostar1]

I would like to see the entire context of Boren's statements.

 

[jostar1]

Eric Bailey‏@EricBaileyTW
Boren on Big 12 expansion: "I wouldn't take expansion as a given. I wouldn't take it as a sure thing"

Brian Davis ‏@BDavisAAS · 2h2 hours ago
Sigh. Nobody has eight Yes votes yet, apparently.

Brian Davis ‏@BDavisAAS · 2h2 hours ago
Hey, Texas, jump into the @bigten and let's call it a century, OK?

 

[jostar1]

Stewart Mandel‏@slmandel
Last week I said it was 60-40 the Big 12 actually expands. In the spirit of Boren's comments, I'm modifying to exactly 50-50.

Dan Wolken
I tweeted this six weeks ago… Not sure anything has changed …

 

[huskymedic]

>>Boren said that while the pro rata bumps are motivation for expansion, they're also a concern. "We do have a relationship to maintain, not only short term, but long term with the networks," Boren said. "When you have a partnership and you have a friendship, it isn't just for today, it's long term. And I think you have to think about long-term implications in any action we take. If we were to expand by two teams, four teams, that has financial implications for the networks. I think we have to see if that adds to the long-term stability or not."<<

 

[jostar1]

Big 12 expansion: David Boren says Big 12 expansion is not a given
Big 12 expansion: David Boren says Big 12 expansion is not a given

This doesn't make sense to me. They knew that they weren't getting a traditional network before they started the process.

 

[whaler11]

>>Boren said that while the pro rata bumps are motivation for expansion, they're also a concern. "We do have a relationship to maintain, not only short term, but long term with the networks," Boren said. "When you have a partnership and you have a friendship, it isn't just for today, it's long term. And I think you have to think about long-term implications in any action we take. If we were to expand by two teams, four teams, that has financial implications for the networks. I think we have to see if that adds to the long-term stability or not."<<

When I said this a month ago people got really mad at me. He may as well just have read my posts aloud.

They were just supposed to stick their thumbs in the eye of their TV partners because Netflix or something.

I know I don't have any business acumen and all - but those that can't stand me find anyone on the internet who pointed this obvious angle out before I did.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

That would be JP Morgan.

Manhattan College was originally located in the Financial District in the early 20th century until JP Morgan bought them out of their property for a nice chunk of change. Manhattan College then bought up the land they are currently on in Riverdale and moved the entire campus to the Bronx.

Just some more history. Wake Forest U was established in Wake Forest NC, which us just north of Raleigh, in the early 1800's. Shortly after WWII, the titans of the tobacco industry, the Reynolds family, donated a boatload of money and an entire estate to entice the University to relocated to what was then NC's second largest city, Winston-Salem. Wake's med school moved to the city earlier accepting an offer to move that school to Winston-Salem after UNC had turned town the same offer from the Reynold family.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Eric Bailey‏@EricBaileyTW
Boren on Big 12 expansion: "I wouldn't take expansion as a given. I wouldn't take it as a sure thing"

Brian Davis ‏@BDavisAAS · 2h2 hours ago
Sigh. Nobody has eight Yes votes yet, apparently.

Brian Davis ‏@BDavisAAS · 2h2 hours ago
Hey, Texas, jump into the @bigten and let's call it a century, OK?

XII continues to be the most dysfunctional major conference in the US. Makes the ACC look like the B1G.

 

[CardiffGiant]

Sooooo if I get this straight, the Big 12 spends money, probably a lot of money, to hire consultants to advise regarding expansion. They talk of momentum towards expansion.They invite just about any school who has a building on their campus to let them know if they are interested in joining.They spend countless hours interviewing somewhere around 20 candidates and then narrow their list to 10 and request presentations causing each of these potential schools to spend time and money of their own to make a presentation to the Big 12 for an invite. Once the presentations are complete, the biggest proponent of expansion(Boren)throws cold water on the whole process, and puckers up to his "network friends"with vague references about worrying about the financial impact on them of adding schools.And this is well after his buddy Bowlsby said that they intend these same partners to abide by the contract.

Either this is a shining example of what a Spartacus conference this is, which is probably doomed to fail because of inept leadership; or it is one elaborate scheme to create leverage against the networks for $ if they don't expand. Either way, it is just despicable to use the schools seeking invites as pawns.