Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[jostar1]

Chuck Carlton‏@ChuckCarltonDMN
Given the ongoing expansion debate, imagine Big 12 presidents might have an interest in this development at BYU.
Advisory Council Preparing Final Report

Justin Sweeney‏@justindsweeney
@ChuckCarltonDMN
there is no way this is simply "coincidental" timing. i'm hopeful changes will be to B12's liking and result in invite

Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN · 6m6 minutes ago
@justindsweeney Not a big believer in coincidence here, either. Have to think BYU is motivated to address concerns.

 

[Sea Goat]

How can you be in a conversation with someone that hasn't contacted you yet?

Maybe they meant that they are "in THE conversation", such as serving as a bad example...

 

[CoastAtlantic]

• My crystal ball predicts:
  OU, OSU, Texas and TCU to PAC-12(16)
  Kansas to Big10
  WVU to ACC
  Where do Texas Tech, Iowa State, and Baylor go?

Berry Tramel
Baylor's in trouble. Iowa State has few options. I hope the 'Clones can get in the ACC, if the Big 12 crumbles. Tech? I don't know. I think a couple of teams could still get in the SEC. I'd need to know who's going to the Big Ten. That's the first domino.

Tech being a public school and recently admitted to the Carnegie Tier One research club would be more likely to tag along Texsa and OU than TCU. UConn and WVU to ACC would be a good move for us, unless the SEC bites the bullet and takes Okie State and WVU (a slightly bigger possibility than people would admit). We already compromised ourselves with the Louisville move.

ISU and KU to Big 10. K-State, TCU and Baylor SOL. That's the way I see it now. A lot can change, though.

 

[4in16]

After all this publicity the Big 12 is getting regarding expansion I honestly can't see a scenario where they don't expand. That would be embarrassing although this is the Big 12 and I guess nothing would surprise me, like others have said no expansion pretty much guarantees implosion.

 

[HuskyHawk]

My two cents; The PAC is not taking a church school, so forget TCU. Houston probably gets a PAC seat before TCU.

Tramel forgot K-state which is easy to do. K-state and ISU will have to join the AAC, no other doors will be open....thats a lock. TT, TCU and Baylor will probably look to the Mtn West.

UConn to the B1G to balance Kansas? Maybe - but I think both schools will have to take a heavily discounted revenue split deal for the first 10 years in the league.

Hard to see ESPN greasing the skids for WV to land in the ACC....again, going to take a massive rev discount to do it.

No expansion isn't the worst outcome. It ensures the B12 dissolves in 2024 and that should generate opportunities for UConn with either a new Power conf or better conf mates in an expanded G5 conf.

I doubt that the Big 12 dissolves. Even with departures, it is more likely that WVU, TCU, TT, ISU, KState and Baylor invite the cream of the remaining schools into the Big 12. It keeps the name and the playoff spot. It's essentially what the Big East did when it lost Miami, VT, BC, Pitt and Cuse. Same thing happens here. It all depends on who leaves and who is left, but all the usual candidates we talk about now would be on the list. Houston, Cinci, BYU, Colo State, Memphis, even Tulane and SMU if they get their acts together.

No expansion beats any expansion that doesn't include UConn. Clearly.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

After all this publicity the Big 12 is getting regarding expansion I honestly can't see a scenario where they don't expand. That would be embarrassing although this is the Big 12 and I guess nothing would surprise me, like others have said no expansion pretty much guarantees implosion.

Agree. If the XII does not expand, its basically signing its death warrant. It has to be assumed that U Texas and possibly U Oklahoma already have options lined-up. The question is will the XII hold together until the current contract expires, or will other conferences and/or XII member who are on the P4 fence make proactive moves.

 

[Exit 4]

I doubt that the Big 12 dissolves. Even with departures, it is more likely that WVU, TCU, TT, ISU, KState and Baylor invite the cream of the remaining schools into the Big 12. It keeps the name and the playoff spot. It's essentially what the Big East did when it lost Miami, VT, BC, Pitt and Cuse. Same thing happens here. It all depends on who leaves and who is left, but all the usual candidates we talk about now would be on the list. Houston, Cinci, BYU, Colo State, Memphis, even Tulane and SMU if they get their acts together.

No expansion beats any expansion that doesn't include UConn. Clearly.

Good point....except, I don't agree that a B12 w/o Texas and OU can be assured that its bowl access and media $ will be fully maintained. Other confs will use that as an opportunity to skinny down to a P4 landscape and flex their muscles accordingly. TV contracts will be less lucrative too.

 

[Matrim55]

ISU and KU to Big 10.

ISU has a 0% chance of ever landing in the B1G.

 

[Husky25]

I doubt that the Big 12 dissolves. Even with departures, it is more likely that WVU, TCU, TT, ISU, KState and Baylor invite the cream of the remaining schools into the Big 12. It keeps the name and the playoff spot. It's essentially what the Big East did when it lost Miami, VT, BC, Pitt and Cuse. Same thing happens here. It all depends on who leaves and who is left, but all the usual candidates we talk about now would be on the list. Houston, Cinci, BYU, Colo State, Memphis, even Tulane and SMU if they get their acts together.

No expansion beats any expansion that doesn't include UConn. Clearly.

Pitt and Syracuse didn't leave for 7 years. The Big East kept the BCS auto bid pretty much solely on the strength of West Virginia's and Pitt's(?) recent history, IIRC.

 

[BKarchitect]

I think the Big 12 doomsday scenarios are still a little far-fetched. The fact is that the B1G and SEC are way ahead and then there's everybody else. The ACC appears more stable at the moment due to their new deal. The PAC is stable but their revenues are stuttering in a huge way, enough for schools like Colorado to have a legitimate self-reflection on whether they made the right move. And in all of this - the issue remains finding a home for the 2 ton gorilla in Texas and their ESPN-led Longhorn network. Easier said than done.

Everybody likes to move towards this pro-style 4x16 line-up but I don't believe that will be the ultimate result. There's no universal power structure and even asking the SEC and B1G to unite under one umbrella is going to be tough. Not to mention - any school that is currently P5 and looks like they are going to get left out are going to go on a legal system rampage.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Pitt and Syracuse didn't leave for 7 years. The Big East kept the BCS auto bid pretty much solely on the strength of West Virginia's and Pitt's(?) recent history, IIRC.

And do you see more than 3 schools leaving immediately? I don't. Maybe eventually. I think the Big 12 keeps its playoff spot. I am pretty convinced that 4 conferences simply aren't enough, unless they all go to 20. So there will be a 5th Power conference.

 

[Hoophound]

I think they will expand. Tramel has been very calculated in his comments and I suspect he is a puppet. Tramel is saying that OU doesn't really want to expand yet Boren lead the charge in the first place. It doesn't make sense. OU is saying "give us UConn and BYU" and you can have Houston (and Cincy). Boren wants to strengthen the academic profile, recruit students from the Northeast and make money. He hasn't waivered on that. No way he goes for Houston without getting his schools.

 

[Husky25]

And do you see more than 3 schools leaving immediately? I don't. Maybe eventually. I think the Big 12 keeps its playoff spot. I am pretty convinced that 4 conferences simply aren't enough, unless they all go to 20. So there will be a 5th Power conference.

In fairness, there is precedent. A&M, Colorado, Missouri, and Nebraska pretty much all took off at the same time.

 

[huskymedic]

TMGcollegesports ‏@TheMediaGuides 1m 1 minute ago
#Big12 Narrows the list for expansion from @blauds at TMG
Big 12 expansion list narrows to only a few

Not sure what to completely make of it but the story I'm hearing is that MB is reporting that the Big 12 has sent out its “preferred list” of potential expansion candidates and that it is AAC heavy (UConn/Cincy/UH/Memphis) along with BYU. He also makes reference that UCF, USF and two ACC schools (who remain nameless) are on this purported list. He notes that there is a question as to whether UCF/USF are actually "prime contenders" though. Next steps are that each of the schools are expected to meet with Big 12 officials, presumably in Dallas, within the next two/three weeks to make their presentations. Still seems to be a question of whether 2 versus 4 get the golden ticket.

I didn't write it, just playing telephone. Is what it is...

 

[cttxus]

TMGcollegesports ‏@TheMediaGuides 1m 1 minute ago
#Big12 Narrows the list for expansion from @blauds at TMG
Big 12 expansion list narrows to only a few

Not sure what to completely make of it but the story I'm hearing is that MB is reporting that the Big 12 has sent out its “preferred list” of potential expansion candidates and that it is AAC heavy (UConn/Cincy/UH/Memphis) along with BYU. He also makes reference that UCF, USF and two ACC schools (who remain nameless) are on this purported list. He notes that there is a question as to whether UCF/USF are actually "prime contenders" though. Next steps are that each of the schools are expected to meet with Big 12 officials, presumably in Dallas, within the next two/three weeks to make their presentations. Still seems to be a question of whether 2 versus 4 get the golden ticket.

I didn't write it, just playing telephone. Is what it is...

Hypothetically speaking, would a BYer have any less stature/credibility on the BY if they paid $19.95 for a TMG Sports subscription and provided occasional summaries or personal analyses of its content relating to UConn football/CR here on the BY?

 

[NYUConn]

If the Big 12 gets two ACC schools to join I'll buy everyone with an ID here a beer at The Rent this fall.

 

[SubbaBub]

If there were really two ACC schools interested in joining the B12, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Even if it were Louisville that were one of them.

 

[Adios]

TMGcollegesports ‏@TheMediaGuides 1m 1 minute ago
#Big12 Narrows the list for expansion from @blauds at TMG
Big 12 expansion list narrows to only a few

Not sure what to completely make of it but the story I'm hearing is that MB is reporting that the Big 12 has sent out its “preferred list” of potential expansion candidates and that it is AAC heavy (UConn/Cincy/UH/Memphis) along with BYU. He also makes reference that UCF, USF and two AAC schools* (who remain nameless) are on this purported list. He notes that there is a question as to whether UCF/USF are actually "prime contenders" though. Next steps are that each of the schools are expected to meet with Big 12 officials, presumably in Dallas, within the next two/three weeks to make their presentations. Still seems to be a question of whether 2 versus 4 get the golden ticket.

Typo and correction are noted in comments.

 

[huskymedic]

Typo and correction are noted in comments.

So he mean UCF/USF (two AAC) schools are on the list but may not be "prime contenders". Ahhh - that makes more sense now.

 

[Waquoit]

No expansion beats any expansion that doesn't include UConn. Clearly.

But not by much

 

[Adios]

That's some screwed up reporting. Mention 4 schools, then USF and UCF and 2 unnamed schools, making it a total of 8 AAC schools. That's what I get out of it.

Tulane and Temple?

 

[Marty Jackson]

That's some screwed up reporting. Mention 4 schools, then USF and UCF and 2 unnamed schools, making it a total of 8 AAC schools.

And the 12 other schools are still in consideration as well.
Thanks for the scoop MB.

 

[UConn Dan]

If the Big 12 gets two ACC schools to join I'll buy everyone with an ID here a beer at The Rent this fall.

And for those of you without an ID, please print this out. NYUConn will hook you up.

 

[huskymedic]

That's some screwed up reporting. Mention 4 schools, then USF and UCF and 2 unnamed schools, making it a total of 8 AAC schools. That's what I get out of it.

Tulane and Temple?

From one of the other main contributors of the site - the list of 18-20 has reportedly been culled down to UConn, Cincy, UH, Mumphis, BYU and possibly USF/UCF. The ACC mention was a typo. He (MB) turned that article into quite the clustermuck in his haste to get it out.