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If nothing has changed course according to flug/btm that gives me a bit of optimism as flug has consistently maintained UConn/UC and more recently BYU/UH as the 4.
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If nothing has changed course according to flug/btm that gives me a bit of optimism as flug has consistently maintained UConn/UC and more recently BYU/UH as the 4.
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Cincinnati, UConn were both in the top 3 of that TCU report as well.
Really seems to me that if they go to 12 it will be Cincinnati and then 1 of UConn, Houston or BYU.
I think the Texas faction (4 schools) would want Houston and then I have no idea who the Oklahoma/St, Kansas/St, Iowa State and West Virginia would want.
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If they go to 12 I have a really hard time believing that the non-TX contingent will let Houston in.
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With UH coming at all you can hardly call it expansion any ways.
BYU athletics: Big 12 TV partners pumping brakes on expansion, but talks continue at BYU
It appears that the ESPN and Fox Sports aren't quite as sold on the notion of Big 12 expansion, according to Sports Business Journal.
Meanwhile, BYU's entire athletic department was called to a meeting at 10 a.m. Monday, The Salt Lake Tribune learned, although the agenda was unknown to several attendees beforehand.
Several top-level leaders from The Church of of Latter-day Saints, the faith that owns and operates BYU, visited the athletic department offices and met with high-level department heads the past week, sources with knowledge of the situation said.
Several recruits have said in the past few weeks that BYU coaches have told them the school's prospects of being invited into the Big 12 look favorable, but are not certain.
Whether Monday's revelation regarding the television angst is good, or bad, news for BYU is debatable. BYU is seen by many as the leading candidate for Big 12 expansion and the only candidate — Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Colorado State and Memphis are the others most often mentioned — that could potentially add value to the conference.
Although ESPN and Fox balking at expansion could foreseeably diminish the chances of it happening, BYU appears to be the strongest candidate, as viewed by the networks, if it does.
BYU athletics: Big 12 TV partners pumping brakes on expansion, but talks continue at BYU
It appears that the ESPN and Fox Sports aren't quite as sold on the notion of Big 12 expansion, according to Sports Business Journal.
Meanwhile, BYU's entire athletic department was called to a meeting at 10 a.m. Monday, The Salt Lake Tribune learned, although the agenda was unknown to several attendees beforehand.
Several top-level leaders from The Church of of Latter-day Saints, the faith that owns and operates BYU, visited the athletic department offices and met with high-level department heads the past week, sources with knowledge of the situation said.
Several recruits have said in the past few weeks that BYU coaches have told them the school's prospects of being invited into the Big 12 look favorable, but are not certain.
Whether Monday's revelation regarding the television angst is good, or bad, news for BYU is debatable. BYU is seen by many as the leading candidate for Big 12 expansion and the only candidate — Houston, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Colorado State and Memphis are the others most often mentioned — that could potentially add value to the conference.
Although ESPN and Fox balking at expansion could foreseeably diminish the chances of it happening, BYU appears to be the strongest candidate, as viewed by the networks, if it does.
BYU athletics: Big 12 TV partners pumping brakes on expansion, but talks continue at BYU
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BYU the only candidate that could add value? Then why are they far behind us in TV evaluation?
Boren, OU have leverage for expansion moves
Jake Trotter
While Bowlsby has been examining expansion possibilities, the Big 12's television partners, ESPN and Fox, have anxiously been waiting to see what happens.
If the Big 12 pulls the trigger on expansion, one recourse the networks would have would be to request an extension to the grant of rights, to at least gain long-term security for the league's live content. Recently, ESPN agreed with the ACC on a network, which will launch in 2019. In exchange, ESPN got the ACC to sign an extension of its grant of rights through 2035-36.
The difference with the Big 12 is that ESPN and Fox, contractually, have nothing to leverage the conference for the grant of rights extension -- the $25 million-per-school increases are already in the contract.
On this one, ESPN and Fox can only ask and hope.
Oklahoma's only motivation, however, would only be, well, an altruistic stance on greater Big 12 stability.
However, one industry insider, who worked directly with programming before recently leaving for another job in the industry, indicated getting the Big 12 schools to sign a grant of rights without offering anything in return will be a tough sell for the networks, even as they have to shell out up to $800 million to the league. More likely, to get a grant of rights extension, ESPN and Fox would have to put forward an immediate renegotiation of the Big 12's tier 1 and 2 deals, and pay the Big 12 up to the levels of the SEC and Big Ten. The Big Ten is now getting an estimated $250 million per year from Fox for only half of its rights.
If the networks put that on the table, the Big 12's viability for the next two decades would be virtually assured. But only if the Red River flagships signed off. If either balked against a proposal the rest of the conference supported, it could, once again, send a message to the other Big 12 members -- that the Sooners aren't completely committed to the conference.
"It might say, OU could begin flirting again," the insider said. "That they're not sure about the Big 12."
Of course, Boren could attempt to utilize this leverage for what's clearly become his white whale: a Big 12 network. The ACC previously implemented a clause in its agreement with ESPN that triggered the upcoming network launch. If the ESPN or Fox were unwilling to do yet another network deal now -- but still wanted a grant of rights extension to avoid competing with a Netflix or a Google for rights down the line in an ever-changing media landscape -- perhaps Boren could procure such clause on a future Big 12 network.
Still, given the current television climate, that could prove to be too ambitious.
Even then, Boren would still have the option to push back on Texas.
To get a new school into the conference, eight of 10 schools must sign off. It's hard to envision the Longhorns being able to get Houston into the Big 12 without Oklahoma's support. Boren could demand Texas sanction his expansion school of choice, in exchange for rallying northern support for Houston.
The Sooners have long believed to have had their eye on BYU, which has the strongest football brand of any non-Power 5 school. The Cougars also have a national following through the Mormon Church, and operate near Salt Lake City, a top-35 TV market. Boren also has shown interest in Cincinnati; he traded emails with then-Cincinnati president Santa Ono last year. Besides that, Boren could also press Texas to support a four-school expansion, which would net the conference an additional $50 million a year.
Just what lever will Boren pull? That remains unclear. What is clear is this -- he has a move to make.
The entire article is here:
In expansion talks, just what does OU really want?
Jake Trotter
While Bowlsby has been examining expansion possibilities, the Big 12's television partners, ESPN and Fox, have anxiously been waiting to see what happens.
If the Big 12 pulls the trigger on expansion, one recourse the networks would have would be to request an extension to the grant of rights, to at least gain long-term security for the league's live content. Recently, ESPN agreed with the ACC on a network, which will launch in 2019. In exchange, ESPN got the ACC to sign an extension of its grant of rights through 2035-36.
The difference with the Big 12 is that ESPN and Fox, contractually, have nothing to leverage the conference for the grant of rights extension -- the $25 million-per-school increases are already in the contract.
On this one, ESPN and Fox can only ask and hope.
Oklahoma's only motivation, however, would only be, well, an altruistic stance on greater Big 12 stability.
However, one industry insider, who worked directly with programming before recently leaving for another job in the industry, indicated getting the Big 12 schools to sign a grant of rights without offering anything in return will be a tough sell for the networks, even as they have to shell out up to $800 million to the league. More likely, to get a grant of rights extension, ESPN and Fox would have to put forward an immediate renegotiation of the Big 12's tier 1 and 2 deals, and pay the Big 12 up to the levels of the SEC and Big Ten. The Big Ten is now getting an estimated $250 million per year from Fox for only half of its rights.
If the networks put that on the table, the Big 12's viability for the next two decades would be virtually assured. But only if the Red River flagships signed off. If either balked against a proposal the rest of the conference supported, it could, once again, send a message to the other Big 12 members -- that the Sooners aren't completely committed to the conference.
"It might say, OU could begin flirting again," the insider said. "That they're not sure about the Big 12."
Of course, Boren could attempt to utilize this leverage for what's clearly become his white whale: a Big 12 network. The ACC previously implemented a clause in its agreement with ESPN that triggered the upcoming network launch. If the ESPN or Fox were unwilling to do yet another network deal now -- but still wanted a grant of rights extension to avoid competing with a Netflix or a Google for rights down the line in an ever-changing media landscape -- perhaps Boren could procure such clause on a future Big 12 network.
Still, given the current television climate, that could prove to be too ambitious.
Even then, Boren would still have the option to push back on Texas.
To get a new school into the conference, eight of 10 schools must sign off. It's hard to envision the Longhorns being able to get Houston into the Big 12 without Oklahoma's support. Boren could demand Texas sanction his expansion school of choice, in exchange for rallying northern support for Houston.
The Sooners have long believed to have had their eye on BYU, which has the strongest football brand of any non-Power 5 school. The Cougars also have a national following through the Mormon Church, and operate near Salt Lake City, a top-35 TV market. Boren also has shown interest in Cincinnati; he traded emails with then-Cincinnati president Santa Ono last year. Besides that, Boren could also press Texas to support a four-school expansion, which would net the conference an additional $50 million a year.
Just what lever will Boren pull? That remains unclear. What is clear is this -- he has a move to make.
The entire article is here:
In expansion talks, just what does OU really want?
Adam G @adam_g_Boomer · 1h1 hour ago
@dennisdoddcbs you do realize the G5 term is like 5 years old? How is BYU in the G5? No freaking way
Marc Londo @mlondo856 · 29m29 minutes ago
@adam_g_Boomer @dennisdoddcbs Agreed. I showed Dodd other major flaws as well. BYU has never been in a G5 conference. ACC counts BYU as P5.
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@mlondo856 @adam_g_Boomer @dennisdoddcbs ACC, Big10, and SEC all consider BYU as P5 equivalent for scheduling.
Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs · 17m17 minutes ago
@dyoung1993 @mlondo856 @adam_g_Boomer
Bingo.
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Don't the B1G and ACC include us as P5 in terms of scheduling as well?
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Yes
Yes, that was my point. Dodd didn't mention that.
Jason Shepherd @jsnshep · 16m16 minutes ago
Good Big 12 Expansion talk in KC with @dennisdoddcbs. Dodd said IF expansion happens, he still believes BYU is in.
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Dodd says that he has heard that Bowlsby only wants 12 basketball schools. He does not want to dilute the basketball brand. Dodd says that Houston and Cincinatti dilute basketball.
He was asked about UConn. He said he has heard it both ways. He says that UConn mens and womens basketball are not in the discussion because the money is in football. He doesn't know what the Big12 thinks of UConn.
Good Big 12 Expansion talk in KC with @dennisdoddcbs. Dodd said IF expansion happens, he still believes BYU is in.
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Sports Broadcaster covering the BYU Cougars.
Dodd says that he has heard that Bowlsby only wants 12 basketball schools. He does not want to dilute the basketball brand. Dodd says that Houston and Cincinatti dilute basketball.
He was asked about UConn. He said he has heard it both ways. He says that UConn mens and womens basketball are not in the discussion because the money is in football. He doesn't know what the Big12 thinks of UConn.
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Someone should tweet that at him to remind him.
Dodd has always been a negative for us. Generally though he has been wrong. Let's hope he stays true to form.
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Sick 'em Dooley!!
Here is the interview with Dodd:
Twitter Card
He talks about UConn at 8:09.
He is very negative on UConn at 16:00.
Twitter Card
He talks about UConn at 8:09.
He is very negative on UConn at 16:00.
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If this thing goes south, we need to 'unleash the Fishy.' Dodd would be close to the top of the list for throat punches.
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Yeah - it would probably get blow out ratings though. Usually they crush some ant called Serah Williams Oklahoma Tech and only Texas watches. Now they can blow out someone in the northeast on a game people in two time zones will watch.
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The Rent would probably be sold out every time. Someone tweet him that.
Sounds like our Fiesta Bowl performance is being discussed.
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He obviously has an ax to grind. What an a sshat.
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Not only that, but when BYU was discussed he made sure to say "oh you'd only have to go up there once every 2-3 years, not that big of a deal"
But UConn of course, huge problem. Too far. Too cold.
KYLE F GUNTHER @GuntherKFAN · 41m41 minutes ago
.@dennisdoddcbs just told us he thinks #BYU is still clearly the leader in the clubhouse for #Big12Expansion and 4 teams will be added.
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.@dennisdoddcbs just told us he thinks #BYU is still clearly the leader in the clubhouse for #Big12Expansion and 4 teams will be added.
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This is the stuff I am talking about. Every CR cycle. 25,000 fans for Texas a complete and total lie. We had 42,000+ for Michigan and would sell out Texas in a heartbeat.
We never combat or push back on this stuff and than we wonder why we get left out. This is not some twitter user. This is CBS Sports senior football columnist on a radio show spewing this.
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42K + for one of Michigan's worst teams in decades, no less.
Only reason we didn't hold on for the win is it was also one of our worst teams in decades. Thanks P!
Only reason we didn't hold on for the win is it was also one of our worst teams in decades. Thanks P!
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Honestly though if the guy and others like him did a lick of research they'd know we'd sell out those games and that Texas would most likely be in the other division and almost never have to play at the rent.