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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

Nah, they didn't try to make quick fixes, it was incompetence at the AD position along with coppering factions within the former football players and within the department itself . We had a series of three poor AD's that really set our football back. Tom Goss was a disaster. He made Michigan not profitable and lasted only three years. Bill Martin brought us back to profitability and hired John Beilein, but really bungled the football hire after Lloyd Carr retired. There was no plan A let alone a plan C or D. In fact, former school president Mary Sue Coleman took charge after the Les Miles debacle and Greg Schiano turning down the job. She took the lead when Rich Rod showed interest and made the hire (we know how that turned out).

She also hired Dave Brandon, an ego maniac who sullied the Michigan name. He wanted someone he could control (he actually sat in on film sessions and instructed the coaches how they should coach) so he hired Brady Hoke. Brandon would get into email arguments with fans and alumni. He even told an alumnus, after expressing displeasure with the constant "throwing previous staffs under the bus" to quit drinking and go to bed and consistently told alumni to "find another team to root for.".

Combine that with the stupid Michigan Man crap (which was a reference to Bo not wanting to have Bill Frieder coach Michigan in the 1989 NCAA tourney after he had taken the ASU job), and a decline was inevitable. There actually were players that felt they had the right to determine who the next coach was and made it impossible for Rich Rod to succeed.

Basically, if Harbaugh doesn't work out, most Michigan fans aren't real optimistic on football in the near future.

Sorry for talking about the woes of Michigan AD's on a UConn board, but the program has been a mess since 2007 and the decline started well before that. Quick fixes won't work on this one.

Curious what your feelings on Rich Rod are? He never seemed like a great fit within the confines of traditional Michigan Culture, but that had to be clear to everyone prior to hiring him. He was obviously going to struggle initially, as he did not have the players to run his system. That said it seemed like he was starting to turn a corner before he was fired. Hoke ended up going to a BCS Game with Richrod's Players. Its not impossible to believe that he could have done the same.

I believe that Harbaugh will be successful at UM, but it won't be easy. With OSU at the top of the mountain, MSU maintaining success for the first time in decades, and Penn St returning to prominence it will be a blood bath in the B1G East. Just curious if you think your fans will give JH a substantially longer grace period than they did RR because he is a Michigan Man? It won't be easy to get Michigan to the level where a good number of fans believe they should have been yesterday.
 
Remember OSU, Michigan, MSU, Penn State will all have the benefit of those new recruiting grounds just south-west of Manhattan.
 
Curious what your feelings on Rich Rod are? He never seemed like a great fit within the confines of traditional Michigan Culture, but that had to be clear to everyone prior to hiring him. He was obviously going to struggle initially, as he did not have the players to run his system. That said it seemed like he was starting to turn a corner before he was fired. Hoke ended up going to a BCS Game with Richrod's Players. Its not impossible to believe that he could have done the same.

I believe that Harbaugh will be successful at UM, but it won't be easy. With OSU at the top of the mountain, MSU maintaining success for the first time in decades, and Penn St returning to prominence it will be a blood bath in the B1G East. Just curious if you think your fans will give JH a substantially longer grace period than they did RR because he is a Michigan Man? It won't be easy to get Michigan to the level where a good number of fans believe they should have been yesterday.

Harbaugh will get at least 6 years (unless he leaves first) and I think he'll find success by year 3-4.

Rich Rod didn't get fired for his on-the-field success as much as the culture clash between what he wanted to do vs. what the school wanted. Putting the FB program on NCAA probation for stretch-gate (first time Michigan FB got sanctioned IIRC) and trying his best to get barely academically qualified kids into the program who didn't meet Michigan's standards were bigger black marks and strengthened the internal people who wanted him gone. I think he's best suited for a program like Arizona where he's not under such intense scrutiny and he can pretty much do whatever he likes.
 
Curious what your feelings on Rich Rod are? He never seemed like a great fit within the confines of traditional Michigan Culture, but that had to be clear to everyone prior to hiring him. He was obviously going to struggle initially, as he did not have the players to run his system. That said it seemed like he was starting to turn a corner before he was fired. Hoke ended up going to a BCS Game with Richrod's Players. Its not impossible to believe that he could have done the same.

Great question and an even longer answer, but here goes.

I want to say that, first and foremost, I believe Rich Rod is a very good coach. If all things were equal, he would still be the coach at Michigan. The problem was that things weren't equal. There was a lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball. The big rumor was that Lloyd Carr wanted to retire at the end of 2006, but was talked into staying for one more year to see the trio of Chad Henne, Mike Hart, and Jake Long to the end of their career (Henne and Long probably would have gone pro after 2006 if Carr had retired). In all reality, he stopped recruiting in 2004-2005. Except for a few big name players, he signed flyers and kids he didn't have to work too hard to get. The only true offensive talent on the roster after that year was Ryan Mallett (a head case under Carr). He left soon after RR was hired. When RR was thinking about the Michigan job, he was told by his friend, former WVU coach and UM assistant under Schembechler Don Nehlen, it was the best job and any coach would have had the utmost support. So RR took the job. He tried to get his DC, Jeff Casteel to come over, but Casteel declined at the least second. Casteel is now his DC in Arizona.

Michigan had quite the country club atmosphere and RR doesn't coach that way. Many players were grumbling about the work load. Two of the freshman made some off the record comments (they really weren't trying to "out" RR, just answering questions) that led to the "scandal." Contrary to what other schools have done, Michigan opened up everything, let the NCAA pour through their records, and found Michigan guilty of 20 minute of practice over (the warm up and stretching period before practice) and a graduate assistant present at the workouts. That's it. Nothing more than a witch hunt, in my opinion. That led to some football alumni, who already was skeptical of outsiders, to go sour. Michigan, especially the football alumni, never gave him, nor his offense a chance. The messy divorce from WVU was another issue as Michigan's name was dragged through the mud.

With all that being said, RR did himself no favors either. He basically used his first team defense as the scout team and forced his 3-3 defensive style on whomever he had for a DC (both Scott Schaffer and Greg Robinson were 4-3 guys). He never recruited like he was at Michigan. He kept recruiting the same style of kids like he was at WVU (the same style he's recruiting at Arizona). The loses were the true killer, though. He was the coach that broke the bowl streak (32 years). He broke the seasons without losing records streak (almost 40 years), and his team looked horrible doing it. The best thing he did was recruit Denard Robinson to play QB (Florida wanted him as a DB or WR in the Percy Harvin role). Without Denard, it would have been a bigger disaster than it was. Denard and actually coaching defense are the reasons Michigan won that Sugar Bowl.

I still like RR and will root for Arizona when they play. It may not have been fair how he was treated, but he needed to be let go when he was. There was too much animosity from both sides. How he was fired is a different story, but that's a Dave Brandon special.
 
I believe that Harbaugh will be successful at UM, but it won't be easy. With OSU at the top of the mountain, MSU maintaining success for the first time in decades, and Penn St returning to prominence it will be a blood bath in the B1G East. Just curious if you think your fans will give JH a substantially longer grace period than they did RR because he is a Michigan Man? It won't be easy to get Michigan to the level where a good number of fans believe they should have been yesterday.

Wanted to break this up because that first response is so long, nobody will probably read it.

Yes, the Big10 east will be much like The SEC west became. OSU is OSU, they were great under Jim Tressell and, as long as they have a good coach, will be great. I think PSU's "return to prominence" is a little premature (they lost to Michigan this past year), but I have no doubt they will be a very good team soon. As for MSU? They took advantage of Michigan's down period with a tremendous coach. This was supposed to be their year and they got demolished by OSU. It remains to be seen if they can carry it on for the long run after Dantonio retires, but they are presently a force on the defensive side of the ball and their recruiting has gotten much better the last few cycles.

It will be hard, but Jim Harbaugh never backs down from a challenge. He beat the #2 ranked USC team at USC in his first year and took SF team that was horrible the prior year to the NFC Championship game the following season. He is a great coach who coaches competition at every phase of practice. He develops talent and fits his system to what he has. The biggest thing he teaches is toughness, something this program has lacked the past 15-20 years.

There is talent on the team. Hoke was an awesome recruiter, he and his staff couldn't develop the talent. The defensive back seven will be very good this year. There are very good players at the DT spot and the OL has been getting early compliments. It will all come down to finding a QB this year. If they can, they will be a competitive, top half Big10 team. Once he gets his QB, watch out.
 
First world problems :)

The rants on the Michigan board almost melted the internet a couple times. Homeland Security was concerned.

Nice posts @dayooper. Didn't realize that Mary Sue jumped in the middle of everything.
 
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I am sitting at a bar in Florida and a guy just went up to the fella wearing an OSU hat and said,"Congratulations on the National Championship. I'm a Wolverines fan and I want to show that we aren't ALL as " So there's one.
 
Warchant.com @Warchant · 56m 56 minutes ago

FSU plans budget cuts to offset $2 million annual increase for 'full cost of attendance.' https://floridastate com/content.asp?CID=1744745

Found it....The news is that it can be handled in house..a 2% budget cut and no money will come from the FSU Boosters Inc....who are in the midst of a $250 million fund raising campaign to support athletic scholarships and budgets.
 
I see it too. It says here that FSU is getting rid of the compliance department to bridge the shortfall. No booster money was affected. Thank goodness. Win win.
 
Since FSU is cutting their compliance department, I will be generous to all the people being put out of work. The area code in Central NY you want to fax your resume to is 315.
 
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Remeber when we would occasionally get updates here that weren't in regards to Michigan football and Florida State's budget? Those were the days.

If we got key tweets from the real players, it would mean nothing was happening and they were trying to shake the trees. If the key players are quiet, they may be under NDAs. At least the non-key tweet thread is available for speculation.
 
If we got key tweets from the real players, it would mean nothing was happening and they were trying to shake the trees. If the key players are quiet, they may be under NDAs. At least the non-key tweet thread is available for speculation.

I'm more so commenting on the fact that I don't give two sh1ts about anything happening at Michigan or FSU.
 
The B1G posters have been good. They like UConn's profile and are generally positive. I dream of the day that we can play them on regular basis.

Yeah, my point is there is literally endless bandwidth to discuss that anywhere on the Internet or here on the Boneyard.

Just would be nice to keep one thread with real info, pertinent to the home teams board in one thread.

Btw, not an attack on daytrooper as he was asked the question.
 
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Remember OSU, Michigan, MSU, Penn State will all have the benefit of those new recruiting grounds just south-west of Manhattan.
Penn St has had those recruiting grounds since the late 1960's.
 
I got this in my email this morning. I will do my best to infiltrate the office and learn what needs to be learned about the Big Ten. Stay tuned.

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Didn't want to start a new thread. But Army? Seriously? Why not Navy and Air Force and UConn and other school willing to play on P5 rules with large athletic departments.

@McMurphyESPN: SEC will count BYU, Army, ND toward SEC’s Power 5 nonleague requirement http://post original url/cRHkTCBtDo
 
Didn't want to start a new thread. But Army? Seriously? Why not Navy and Air Force and UConn and other school willing to play on P5 rules with large athletic departments.

@McMurphyESPN: SEC will count BYU, Army, ND toward SEC’s Power 5 nonleague requirement http://post original url/cRHkTCBtDo

Those three are independents. They don't want to give any credit to G5 conferences.
 
Didn't want to start a new thread. But Army? Seriously? Why not Navy and Air Force and UConn and other school willing to play on P5 rules with large athletic departments.

@McMurphyESPN: SEC will count BYU, Army, ND toward SEC’s Power 5 nonleague requirement http://post original url/cRHkTCBtDo
Army?! SEC's plan of playing in NYC without expansion, perhaps.
 
Oh boy, I can hear the calls for football independence grow louder now. I'm sure we can have a 12 game schedule of all SEC teams!
 
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