Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[AZHuskiePop]

Personally, I don't value championships before Civil Rights whatsoever. I know to the tradition people out there they do. But those people need to be careful. Paying too much attention to what happened 70-100 years ago won't allow you to gain proper perspective on the present and future.

The problem you have is setting a date for Civil Rights .
There were significant integrated teams in the north well before 1964
An African American starred at Yale in the 40's
You also have the problem of the sociological component that go into making up sport,added to the sports that predominant within a culture,at any era.
Baseball was the dominant sport in the US ,particularly in rural ares,That's why Jackie Robinson was such a big deal. He had previously starred in football at UCLA without much fanfare. Baseball was the sport that everyone cared about and played.
Football was extremely complex
It was created by an elite class, Universities were mostly unobtainable to most until the GI bill. In essence the vast majority regardless of race or religion were denied access.
It was adopted by high schools, and club institutions as there is significantly more expense tied to football. My dad played for a Derby club Team made up of Italian immigrants kids. Sponsored by a club. Remember even high school was not attainable as these kids stared working at 14 or younger.
Mine and Mill towns especially adopted this sport. Professional football played on Sundays to avoid competition with High School,and Club ball. One could argue the demise of industry has a direct correlation to the demise of football talent in the northeast and Midwest.
What we know as modern big city basketball was pioneered by the Jewish population of New York and Philly. The NCAA tourney plus the NIT were played in New York. As rural African Americans fled the south for the Northern Cities, mostly after WWII ,basketball was adopted by the kids even as their Dad's remained avid baseball fans.

 

[Dooley]

The problem you have is setting a date for Civil Rights .
There were significant integrated teams in the north well before 1964
An African American starred at Yale in the 40's
You also have the problem of the sociological component that go into making up sport,added to the sports that predominant within a culture,at any era.
Baseball was the dominant sport in the US ,particularly in rural ares,That's why Jackie Robinson was such a big deal. He had previously starred in football at UCLA without much fanfare. Baseball was the sport that everyone cared about and played.
Football was extremely complex
It was created by an elite class, Universities were mostly unobtainable to most until the GI bill. In essence the vast majority regardless of race or religion were denied access.
It was adopted by high schools, and club institutions as there is significantly more expense tied to football. My dad played for a Derby club Team made up of Italian immigrants kids. Sponsored by a club. Remember even high school was not attainable as these kids stared working at 14 or younger.
Mine and Mill towns especially adopted this sport. Professional football played on Sundays to avoid competition with High School,and Club ball. One could argue the demise of industry has a direct correlation to the demise of football talent in the northeast and Midwest.
What we know as modern big city basketball was pioneered by the Jewish population of New York and Philly. The NCAA tourney plus the NIT were played in New York. As rural African Americans fled the south for the Northern Cities, mostly after WWII ,basketball was adopted by the kids even as their Dad's remained avid baseball fans.

I get your point. Let me amend my original statement: I don't value championships from pre-50s whatsoever. And I really don't value an athletic department that hasn't won squat in over 30-40 years. It's my opinion that dinosaur programs are given FAR too much weight/credit in CR. I respect programs that have won a championship in my lifetime. Anything championship won prior to when I was born (1976): your program is "on the clock" to win again. For cryin' out loud, our MBB program had to prove itself all over again (thanks to APR and post-Calhoun) even after winning in friggin' 2011. I would just like to see the same difficult standards applied across the board.

 

[Dooley]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 15m
Maryland to provide lifetime guaranteed scholarships for all student-athletes in all sports starting in 2015

 

[FDNY99]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 15m
Maryland to provide lifetime guaranteed scholarships for all student-athletes in all sports starting in 2015

Pretty good move with recent developments regarding full cost of attendance and O'Bannon case.

 

[upstater]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 15m
Maryland to provide lifetime guaranteed scholarships for all student-athletes in all sports starting in 2015

The costs just went up from $5k extra per year per student to $40k per year for the 40% of students who don't graduate who elect to return. Let's say 50% of those elect to return after a certain number of years. That's 1 out of 5 who is costing you an extra $40k per year.

 

[FDNY99]

The costs just went up from $5k extra per year per student to $40k per year for the 40% of students who don't graduate who elect to return. Let's say 50% of those elect to return after a certain number of years. That's 1 out of 5 who is costing you an extra $40k per year.

You have to wonder exactly what they consider a lifetime scholarship though. I can see tuition, maybe books...but room & board?

 

[Dooley]

You have to wonder exactly what they consider a lifetime scholarship though. I can see tuition, maybe books...but room & board?

This should provide more insight. Looks like it's everything (tuition, books, etc) for ALL sports, not just "revenue" sports:

http://www.umterps.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=29700&ATCLID=209611616

And people scoffed at the idea of MD leaving the ACC for the B1G. They just showed why they left. The recruiting advantages that they will now have over other schools in the area (mostly ACC) will be tough for some to overcome (looking at you, grandfathered Wake).

 

[FDNY99]

This should provide more insight. Looks like it's everything (tuition, books, etc) for ALL sports, not just "revenue" sports:

http://www.umterps.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=29700&ATCLID=209611616

And people scoffed at the idea of MD leaving the ACC for the B1G. They just showed why they left. The recruiting advantages that they will now have over other schools in the area (mostly ACC) will be tough for some to overcome (looking at you, grandfathered Wake).

Tuition, books, and student fees is a really good deal. I like the way it is tied to being in good academic standing when the student athlete left the school though. Wake isn't the only school that is on notice...You can say that PSU, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, Temple UVA and VT are all the P-5 schools in the general area of UMD. I say that outside of the B1G schools and VA schools it puts the rest on notice.

 

[Adios]

Billy in 1939 there was no FSB
The New York Times said the 1923 UConn team was one of the best in the country.
Big deal. College football supremacy was mythical. Writers frequently with local bias voted in the polls
Bowl games until fairly recently were nothing more than commercial exhibitions

Yale in their heyday,and the great Army teams thought they were ,and never participated. Personally I believe they are still pretty corrupt and a stupid way to determine the NC.

No true sportsman would or should endorse a system that sets a status quo.
That is foreign to everything sports stands for. Basically they want the ability to cheat on the basic principal of college sports and get away with it.
You can explain it any way you want but that what it is.
What the P5 is trying to do ,if successful ,will destroy the game.
It's a game I love.
I been a college football fan a long as I can remember. Well over sixty years.
I grew up in an area of Connecticut that was football oriented ,my area produced many great players,even some NFL caliber.But the importance of the game to us was it gave many the possibility to go to college and the opportunity to accomplish great things. That's the true importance of sport.

1924* UConn team.

 

[Dooley]

Tuition, books, and student fees is a really good deal. I like the way it is tied to being in good academic standing when the student athlete left the school though. Wake isn't the only school that is on notice...You can say that PSU, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, Temple UVA and VT are all the P-5 schools in the general area of UMD. I say that outside of the B1G schools and VA schools it puts the rest on notice.

I think it will be much easier for B1G schools like PSU and RU to adopt this type of philosophy. They have double the TV revenue than the ACC schools. The ACC schools won't be able to do it for all sports...maybe just revenue sports only. ACC needs its own network revenue stream like the B1G to keep up with what some of the B1G schools can afford to do.

 

[upstater]

You have to wonder exactly what they consider a lifetime scholarship though. I can see tuition, maybe books...but room & board?

Tuition is the big one. That's going to cost.

This is untenable. Academic scholarships end after 4 years but non-revenue sports scholarships are lifetime?

 

[FDNY99]

I think it will be much easier for B1G schools like PSU and RU to adopt this type of philosophy. They have double the TV revenue than the ACC schools. The ACC schools won't be able to do it for all sports...maybe just revenue sports only. ACC needs its own network revenue stream like the B1G to keep up with what some of the B1G schools can afford to do.

Yup...and you are already seeing what kind of $$ issues ACC schools like BC and Cuse are having.....with how BC did it's search for a new bb coach...and what Cuse paid Scott Shafer when he replaced Morrone (although Boeheim only makes $1.9 mill/yr)

 

[FDNY99]

Tuition is the big one. That's going to cost.

This is untenable. Academic scholarships end after 4 years but non-revenue sports scholarships are lifetime?

I will be interesting to see how many athletes actually take MD up on this offer...and how many will qualify by leaving in good academic standing. Would a kid who decides to leave early for the pro game and basically leaves school during the second semester be in good academic standing?

 

[upstater]

I will be interesting to see how many athletes actually take MD up on this offer...and how many will qualify by leaving in good academic standing. Would a kid who decides to leave early for the pro game and basically leaves school during the second semester be in good academic standing?

Good standing is 2.0, no?

 

[FDNY99]

Good standing is 2.0, no?

I'm not sure...that's why I posed the question to you.

 

[UConn Dan]

Tuition is the big one. That's going to cost. This is untenable. Academic scholarships end after 4 years but non-revenue sports scholarships are lifetime?

I did not receive an academic scholarship while at UConn so don't know exactly what's covered, what's obligated of the student, etc. Though if the school requires a student-athlete to travel and practice extensively where it makes it difficult to graduate on-time (vs the university average) then I can I agree with a "lifetime" scholarship. But how many athletes will actually return to complete their degree post eligibility? If they do return will the average be one additional year of school? Can't asses the real cost until we have those numbers, but my educated guess is that "lifetime" scholarships will only incrementally increase athletic dept costs while offering the appearance of goodwill toward the student-athlete.

 

[Dooley]

Yup...and you are already seeing what kind of issues ACC schools like BC and Cuse are having.....with how BC did it's search for a new bb coach...and what Cuse paid Scott Shafer when he replaced Morrone (although Boeheim only makes $1.9 mill/yr)

Completely agree. It will be very difficult for schools like Cuse and BC to keep up without more revenue (read: they need an ACCN revenue stream similar to BTN stream). The devil in the details for those two is that the ACC will have to look to add schools that bring markets to the table. Can anyone think of a neighboring school with reach into the #1, #7, and #30 DMAs in the U.S.? Hmmm? Without more money, they will lose recruiting battles to PSU, RU, MD, etc. With more money, they will almost have to get back into bed with the school that they fear the most and, therefore, are trying to shut out of the ACC: UCONN.

 

[upstater]

There's no across the board academic standard. There may be with individual academic scholarships. A 2.7 maybe, even a 3.0.

The NCAA established 2.0 as good standing for APR purposes.

I'm not sure...that's why I posed the question to you.

 

[upstater]

I did not receive an academic scholarship while at UConn so don't know exactly what's covered, what's obligated of the student, etc. Though if the school requires a student-athlete to travel and practice extensively where it makes it difficult to graduate on-time (vs the university average) then I can I agree with a "lifetime" scholarship. But how many athletes will actually return to complete their degree post eligibility? If they do return will the average be one additional year of school? Can't asses the real cost until we have those numbers, but my educated guess is that "lifetime" scholarships will only incrementally increase athletic dept costs while offering the appearance of goodwill toward the student-athlete.

Note: I mentioned non-revenue sports, where the traveling and missed classes are not as bad.

 

[FDNY99]

There's no across the board academic standard. There may be with individual academic scholarships. A 2.7 maybe, even a 3.0.

The NCAA established 2.0 as good standing for APR purposes.

Thanks

 

[FDNY99]

Completely agree. It will be very difficult for schools like Cuse and BC to keep up without more revenue (read: they need an ACCN revenue stream similar to BTN stream). The devil in the details for those two is that the ACC will have to look to add schools that bring markets to the table. Can anyone think of a neighboring school with reach into the #1, #7, and #30 DMAs in the U.S.? Hmmm? Without more money, they will lose recruiting battles to PSU, RU, MD, etc. With more money, they will almost have to get back into bed with the school that they fear the most and, therefore, are trying to shut out of the ACC: UCONN.

Exactly

 

[SubbaBub]

There will be fine print. The incremental tuition cost of the students who qualify and take up the offer will be rather small, imo. The four year scholarship for athletes who wash out athletically may end up being significant. I don't see a lot of 40 yr old former soccer players crowding into dorm rooms.

 

[pj]

I will be interesting to see how many athletes actually take MD up on this offer...and how many will qualify by leaving in good academic standing. Would a kid who decides to leave early for the pro game and basically leaves school during the second semester be in good academic standing?

As long as they recruit morons, they'll be fine.

 

[UConn Dan]

@DavidTeelatDP: AD Whit Babcock expects new benefits for athletes to cost #Hokies $1.5M-$3M annually. Hopes #ACC channel in 2016. http://post original url/G7Hc7p4DJv

Fans often ask me when they can expect the ACC to launch such a project, and Babcock said he expects a yes-or-no decision within 18 months.

 

[Dooley]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 27m
Mizzou AD Mike Alden says MU will eventually phase out playing at non-Power 5 schools @Dave_Matter reports