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Rachel M. Siegal @ESPNRachel · 5h 5 hours ago
#2 @UConnWBB vs #1 @GamecockWBB had 0.8 overnight rating for highest reg-season wbb game on ESPN2 since 12/30/10 (UConn/Stanford,1.5)

Rachel M. Siegal @ESPNRachel · 5h 5 hours ago
Top markets for #2 UConn vs. #1 USC: Hartford/New Haven (12.5); Greenville (3.4); Knoxville (3.4), Dayton (1.8), Louisville & Memphis (1.6)

Rachel M. Siegal @ESPNRachel · 5h 5 hours ago
Greenville’s 3.4 metered market average is the highest overnight for this market for a reg-season wbb game across at nets. @GamecockWBB

Rachel M. Siegal
@ESPNRachel
Rachel Margolis Siegal, Manager, College Sports at ESPN, Inc.
 
jostar1 said:
Rachel M. Siegal @ESPNRachel · 5h 5 hours ago
#2 @UConnWBB vs #1 @GamecockWBB had 0.8 overnight rating for highest reg-season wbb game on ESPN2 since 12/30/10 (UConn/Stanford,1.5)

Rachel M. Siegal @ESPNRachel · 5h 5 hours ago
Top markets for #2 UConn vs. #1 USC: Hartford/New Haven (12.5); Greenville (3.4); Knoxville (3.4), Dayton (1.8), Louisville & Memphis (1.6)

Rachel M. Siegal @ESPNRachel · 5h 5 hours ago
Greenville’s 3.4 metered market average is the highest overnight for this market for a reg-season wbb game across at nets. @GamecockWBB

Rachel M. Siegal
@ESPNRachel
Rachel Margolis Siegal, Manager, College Sports at ESPN, Inc.
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ANY CONFERENCE LOOKING FOR WINTER PROGRAMMING FOR THEIR NETWORK?? Any??
 
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1999.2004.2011 said:
I don't want this to sound like me coming off as a jerk (because I root for the women's team, just like any other UConn team) but when a #1 vs #2 matchup gets a .8 and it's celebrated, that's how little women's bball pushes the television needle.
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I guess but still @ .8 more than the Big East is getting on Fox Sports so there's that.
 
1999.2004.2011 said:
I wish that the NBA and NCAA would institute the college baseball model, which would give the athletes the opportunity to A) sign out of high school and go to the pros immediately or B) commit to college for at least three years. The AAU system has stunted the growth of young basketball players in our country, which has had a negative impact on the quality of the men's game.
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That would kill college basketball as we know it.

A) sign out of high school and go to the pros immediately

They had that and one of two things happened. High school players who weren't even remotely ready declared, didn't get drafted, and then ruined their chance to play in college. Or the player got drafted and developed in the pros on the NBA's dime. Only the marginal players didn't paly regularly and didn't develop. The NBA instituted the one-year-out-of-High-School rule (It's not an NCAA rule) because it is a business and there is a low cost/benefit to pay a marginal 18 year old player $millions to sit on the bench.

B) commit to college for at least three years.
The good players will try their hand at playing overseas for a year or two and then declare for the draft as a foreign veteran.
 
Husky25 said:
That would kill college basketball as we know it.

A) sign out of high school and go to the pros immediately

They had that and one of two things happened. High school players who weren't even remotely ready declared, didn't get drafted, and then ruined their chance to play in college. Or the player got drafted and developed in the pros on the NBA's dime. Only the marginal players didn't paly regularly and didn't develop. The NBA instituted the one-year-out-of-High-School rule (It's not an NCAA rule) because it is a business and there is a low cost/benefit to pay a marginal 18 year old player $millions to sit on the bench.

B) commit to college for at least three years.
The good players will try their hand at playing overseas for a year or two and then declare for the draft as a foreign veteran.
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Maybe Husky, but there would be continuity and development of the kids who went to college. That mean better team chemistry as players would be playing together for years and undercuts Kentucky's current model. All of that improves the game from my perspective. On the other hand, it is sort of the mid-major model.
 
CL82 said:
Maybe Husky, but there would be continuity and development of the kids who went to college. That mean better team chemistry as players would be playing together for years and undercuts Kentucky's current model. All of that improves the game from my perspective. On the other hand, it is sort of the mid-major model.
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The best high school players wouldn't take the college step. Hockey and Baseball LARGELY already follow this model, and 1) they aren't considered revenue generating, and 2) there is little comparative interest at the college level and/or the sports' farm leagues. There is no way that CBS would pay $9 Billion over 10 years for the basketball Tournament if the best comparable talent is spread over the NBDL, NBA, and EurAsia. It's an inferior product.
 
Husky25 said:
The best high school players wouldn't take the college step. Hockey and Baseball LARGELY already follow this model, and 1) they aren't considered revenue generating, and 2) there is little comparative interest at the college level and/or the sports' farm leagues. There is no way that CBS would pay $9 Billion over 10 years for the basketball Tournament if the best comparable talent is spread over the NBDL, NBA, and EurAsia. It's an inferior product.
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Disagree. The charm of the basketball NCAA tourney is that these are amateur student athletes completing, not that they are the best available athletes. College basketball has a decent subset that doesn't watch the NBA all that much.
 
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CL82 said:
Disagree. The charm of the basketball NCAA tourney is that these are amateur student athletes completing, not that they are the best available athletes. College basketball has a decent subset that doesn't watch the NBA all that much.
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The charm for you the spectator are the amateur athletes competing. The best have different motives and typically want to keep their options open. We see it every April. Holding them in college for three years runs counter to keeping their options open. In general, the Ryan Boatrights of the world either have a physical flaw, (e.g. not tall enough), flaw in their game (e.g. need to consistently demonstrate leadership qualities) or are outliers.

Just one man's (possibly jaded) opinion.
 
Husky25 said:
The charm for you the spectator are the amateur athletes competing. The best have different motives and typically want to keep their options open. We see it every April. Holding them in college for three years runs counter to keeping their options open. In general, the Ryan Boatrights of the world either have a physical flaw, (e.g. not tall enough), flaw in their game (e.g. need to consistently demonstrate leadership qualities) or are outliers.

Just one man's (possibly jaded) opinion.
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I don't really disagree, except that I think the end product would still be viable.
 
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Where is conspiracy kitty to tie this news with the secondhand news from earlier in the week? Uconn and Cincy to the SEC is the only plausible scenario I can come up with.
 
Anyone leaving a non-P5 conference is "not major".

It sounds to me more like Jeff Long was asked a question about realignment and gave an answer to indicate that nothing is happening.
 
McMurphy just doesn't get it. There will be a whole lotta shaking going on.
 
upstater said:
McMurphy just doesn't get it. There will be a whole lotta shaking going on.
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He's quoting Jeff Long who apparently made the statement on Sirius radio. At least that's the way I read it.
 
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1999.2004.2011 said:
When a #1 vs #2 matchup gets a .8 and it's celebrated, that's how little women's bball pushes the television needle.
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0.8 is actually a phenomenal rating.That rating buries the Men's Big East ratings on FOX. If WBB could pull ratings anywhere near that for other encounters, every media company would clamor for the Huskies to be on. The mere presence of UConn on the B1G or ACC schedule would create a lot of buzz and fill their empty arenas. (Those down south that watched the game couldn't believe the spirit and size of the Gampel crowd) . Don't think that the B1G isn't cognizant of how the Huskie's Men's and Women's BBall could help their network. Once UConn Football gets going and the AAU is a reality, the future shaking up of CR noted by several pundits will come to pass. Now its all about winning at football and getting back the buzz and support necessary for us to have some realistic traction with the decision makers.
 
Husky25 said:
The charm for you the spectator are the amateur athletes competing. The best have different motives and typically want to keep their options open. We see it every April. Holding them in college for three years runs counter to keeping their options open. In general, the Ryan Boatrights of the world either have a physical flaw, (e.g. not tall enough), flaw in their game (e.g. need to consistently demonstrate leadership qualities) or are outliers.

Just one man's (possibly jaded) opinion.
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Isn't the one and done a recent rule we survived nicely without it for a long time.
The way it's gamed now is a joke.
The players who can make the jump from high school are a rare few.
The dozen or so freshman who get drafted in the first or second round aren't really going to hurt college basketball.
Do you really think playing minor league ball in South Dakota is going to lure that many away from college. If that's what they want I'm okay with it. The minor league baseball model ,where they sign thousands of kids annually to get to a handful who actually make is a cold reminder of that route. Most are left with memories of long bus rides and Sor arms.
Hasn't college baseball played a much larger role in recent years even with limited scholarship availability and a non revenue status.
College ball will actually get better as kids stay longer.
The one and done rule does nothing for college ball except cause them to babysit non-students for a year. It's a disservice to the studend athlete ,but it's exploitive of these kids with total disregard to them having any value other than a Basketball Skill.
That rule should go , a mandatory three year commitment , will actually induce more kids to stay four. Inforcing that rule could be difficult.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
Isn't the one and done a recent rule we survived nicely without it for a long time.
The way it's gamed now is a joke.
The players who can make the jump from high school are a rare few.
The dozen or so freshman who get drafted in the first or second round aren't really going to hurt college basketball.
Do you really think playing minor league ball in South Dakota is going to lure that many away from college. If that's what they want I'm okay with it. The minor league baseball model ,where they sign thousands of kids annually to get to a handful who actually make is a cold reminder of that route. Most are left with memories of long bus rides and Sor arms.
Hasn't college baseball played a much larger role in recent years even with limited scholarship availability and a non revenue status.
College ball will actually get better as kids stay longer.
The one and done rule does nothing for college ball except cause them to babysit non-students for a year. It's a disservice to the studend athlete ,but it's exploitive of these kids with total disregard to them having any value other than a Basketball Skill.
That rule should go , a mandatory three year commitment , will actually induce more kids to stay four. Inforcing that rule could be difficult.
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The One and Done rule is not an NCAA rule. It's an NBA rule so that for-profit teams aren't bearing the brunt of developing 18 year old kids who don't recognize that they aren't ready to bang around with men in their physical prime. A second benefit for the NBA is that it actually saves it's teams' GMs from themselves. There is no longer that need to draft the next Kobe Bryant, when all they have to go on is a grainy video of spin moves against a folding chair.

I had a longer post all chambered, but I scrapped it. I just found the following, which is not a terrible compromise.

It is no secret that the NBA wishes to end the one-and-done rule and replace it with a version that requires basketball players to be at least two years removed from high school before entering the NBA Draft.

At the Sports Lawyers Association conference, Dan Rube, NBA Senior Vice President and Deputy General Counsel said that ending the one-and-done rule would allow teams better decisions with draft pics and better analysis of talent. He added that the NBA believes getting rid of the one-and-done rule is in the interest of both the NBA and the NBPA.
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The 2 year commitment would at least make kids maintain NCAA eligibility into their 2nd year (UK would be duckked by the APR :cool:), but not restrict their options too badly.
 
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