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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

I see no point for BY to push on UConn for BB only again until he has Zaga signed. And getting Zaga signed sounds like it requires some serious internal salesman ship with his conf members.

Should Zaga and the B12 announce a deal, then all bets are off who goes next as a BB only compliment to Zaga. Surely there will be at least one additional BB only addition.
 
No. That is not what happens.
How Sway?! said:
No they wouldn't. They had their taste of B12 with the big east and they decided they'd rather take their ball and go home.
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No. That literally has nothing to do with it.

Football isn’t going to be able to bail out the AD department anymore. The Big 12 this summer was the final chance.

Now? They gotta really maximize that hoops dollar and ensure future. I am looking at landscape. Big East isn’t it. It’s a shame really, but they are once again sitting on their hands. Big 12/ACC/Big 10 is gonna go after those properties. And it’s gonna be a race to the bottom thanks to smu/cal/Stan.

UConn can’t afford to do the SMU deal with the big 12 or acc or that would have offered it.
 
JohnFSilver said:
Respectfully, things have changed dramatically.

UConn is a valued hoops brand. Be thankful for that. But make no mistake, Georgetown and Nova would leave the big east for the big 12 if the deal was right.

Like with anything UConn related, it is so much more complicated than any other school out there.
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I don’t think any Big East school would leave for that, not even the ACC either. It doesn’t get you much these days, but the Big East has pride. The other conferences don’t.
 
JohnFSilver said:
No. That is not what happens.

No. That literally has nothing to do with it.

Football isn’t going to be able to bail out the AD department anymore. The Big 12 this summer was the final chance.

Now? They gotta really maximize that hoops dollar and ensure future. I am looking at landscape. Big East isn’t it. It’s a shame really, but they are once again sitting on their hands. Big 12/ACC/Big 10 is gonna go after those properties. And it’s gonna be a race to the bottom thanks to smu/cal/Stan.

UConn can’t afford to do the SMU deal with the big 12 or acc or that would have offered it.
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The big east schools, other than us, have no FBS football to worry about financing. They can finance their while AD with basketball. They are not going to trade their traditional peers for a southern football conference that won't even get them more money.

Gonzaga can take an Olympic sports invite for 3 million and be happy with it, we can't. We couldn't do an SMU deal because we didn't bring a new cable boxes, not because we couldn't afford it.
 
Exit 4 said:
I see no point for BY to push on UConn for BB only again until he has Zaga signed. And getting Zaga signed sounds like it requires some serious internal salesman ship with his conf members.

Should Zaga and the B12 announce a deal, then all bets are off who goes next as a BB only compliment to Zaga. Surely there will be at least one additional BB only addition.
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If it's a basketball move, B12 could add a decent program and get into California at the same time by adding St. Mary's. Already established rivalry in place with Gonzaga and BYU. Doesn't get East Coast exposure, but would fit what BY is trying to do otherwise.
 
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Rufus said:
If it's a basketball move, B12 could add a decent program and get into California at the same time by adding St. Mary's. Already established rivalry in place with Gonzaga and BYU. Doesn't get East Coast exposure, but would fit what BY is trying to do otherwise.
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Yep.

Seems to me though getting the second school will be far easier than selling the b12 that they need the first BB school. So if they manage to sign up Zaga, then after that the speculation will be wild.
 
CTBasketball said:
I don’t think any Big East school would leave for that, not even the ACC either. It doesn’t get you much these days, but the Big East has pride. The other conferences don’t.
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After the big 10 and acc grabbed schools from California..its just about money… seems they are trying to be like the nfl and nba having teams all across the country… i doubt and big east schools besides uconn would even think about joining that mess
 
How Sway?! said:
If the B12 gave us an all sports invite, we would have taken it, but they haven't and they have shown no willingness to do so. Taking a Gonzaga type deal would relegate us to second class citizens in the worst power conference.
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I agree with that, but even when we were being discussed as an all-sports invite, we had a bunch of people on Twitter (and media and in the capitol) asking if we'd even want to go to the B12 for all sports.
 
Exit 4 said:
I see no point for BY to push on UConn for BB only again until he has Zaga signed. And getting Zaga signed sounds like it requires some serious internal salesman ship with his conf members.

Should Zaga and the B12 announce a deal, then all bets are off who goes next as a BB only compliment to Zaga. Surely there will be at least one additional BB only addition.
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Creighton. They are a moderate success in BBall, are "local" to the Big12, and it would ease some of the travel burden for them. And it gets the conference back into Nebraska. Creighton might jump to spite us, and the Big12 might take them to say "we don't need UConn".
 
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UConn fans should've had their eyes opened when the school was once again bypassed from every viable (then P5) P4 option, basketball matters very little in the scheme of realignment and isn't going to "save" the school. I don't think that as the P4 seeks to maximize basketball and tournament revenues for themselves, that there will be any pause given to the thought of "what about the Big East?" Ultimately, UConn needs to find a home in any one of those leagues. While I don't think UConn would take a Gonzaga deal at $2M for the Big XII (that's actually a raise for Gonzaga), but if the money is equal, let alone if there is any kind of increase UConn needs to jump at any kind of opportunity.

I don't think the next Big East deal is going to be anywhere near the windfall some were predicting a couple of seasons ago, or even last year. The Big East is nice to have, not must have property for the networks, even more so if you go to a streaming first model. Other than UConn & Villanova there are no other schools in the conference that on their own makes a game worth-airing. Creighton, Marquette, St. John's all are brands worth airing only if they are having success or making the news (for example if Pitino can stir up enough controversy to make St. John's the Colorado football of NCAA hoops). In a streaming model, only UConn & Villanova have brands big enough to drive subscriptions and, other than UConn, all are small(ish) private universities which further limits the ability to monetize the Big East rights through subscriptions.
 
JohnFSilver said:
I thinks going to big 12, getting a share of their hoops and non football money is good. And maybe at next contract even admission works. Perhaps a bowl tie in and a scheduling arrangement.

Things like that.
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What is non football money worth? The only league where this was necessary was the Old Big East and they were never happy. and currently WSU in the AAC is the only one I know .
they get $2million or just <30%of full members
$10,000,000 and guaranteed football games and I’m in.
I doubt the number. will be that high but UConn.just made $10,000:000 for the Big East plus there is potential for for some big ratings BB games.do we definitely pay for ourselves.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
What is non football money worth? The only league where this was necessary was the Old Big East and they were never happy. and currently WSU in the AAC is the only one I know .
they get $2million or just <30%of full members
$10,000,000 and guaranteed football games and I’m in.
I doubt the number. will be that high but UConn.just made $10,000:000 for the Big East plus there is potential for for some big ratings BB games.do we definitely pay for ourselves.
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Oh man. You are assuming no other institution wants to better themselves.

You have competitors, all over. The days of conferences coming to you are over. Now you have to go to conferences and it's a race to the bottom just to stay associated.

This is all conjecture and reading tea leaves, I just don't think the Big East can make it in the current environment. It doesn't have enough revenue options. It needs bigger schools and higher revenue sports.
 
ScottVib said:
UConn fans should've had their eyes opened when the school was once again bypassed from every viable (then P5) P4 option, basketball matters very little in the scheme of realignment and isn't going to "save" the school. I don't think that as the P4 seeks to maximize basketball and tournament revenues for themselves, that there will be any pause given to the thought of "what about the Big East?" Ultimately, UConn needs to find a home in any one of those leagues. While I don't think UConn would take a Gonzaga deal at $2M for the Big XII (that's actually a raise for Gonzaga), but if the money is equal, let alone if there is any kind of increase UConn needs to jump at any kind of opportunity.

I don't think the next Big East deal is going to be anywhere near the windfall some were predicting a couple of seasons ago, or even last year. The Big East is nice to have, not must have property for the networks, even more so if you go to a streaming first model. Other than UConn & Villanova there are no other schools in the conference that on their own makes a game worth-airing. Creighton, Marquette, St. John's all are brands worth airing only if they are having success or making the news (for example if Pitino can stir up enough controversy to make St. John's the Colorado football of NCAA hoops). In a streaming model, only UConn & Villanova have brands big enough to drive subscriptions and, other than UConn, all are small(ish) private universities which further limits the ability to monetize the Big East rights through subscriptions.
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I agree with everything except the potential of basketball to save UConn
The fact that the D1 schools get 17% of the money they earn from the second best tournament in the world .is crazy to me . Just increasing that number to 50% ( not the 80% football gets ) UConn would have
earned $30,000,000 for their conference this year . Spaced over 6 years . However a basketball team that averages 4 units a year is enriching its conference by $20,000,000 a year. Every P conference Would be a bidding war for top basketball schools with that simple adjustment . It’s not that BB isn’t valuable but the NCAA devalues it on purpose . That effects zero championships events or administration cost only the cash distribution to member schools by that body .
Why the P conferences
the Big East
A10
WCC
MW
AAC
MVC
CUSA
aren’t pushing the reform is baffling as there future is at stake
 
ScottVib said:
UConn fans should've had their eyes opened when the school was once again bypassed from every viable (then P5) P4 option, basketball matters very little in the scheme of realignment and isn't going to "save" the school. I don't think that as the P4 seeks to maximize basketball and tournament revenues for themselves, that there will be any pause given to the thought of "what about the Big East?" Ultimately, UConn needs to find a home in any one of those leagues. While I don't think UConn would take a Gonzaga deal at $2M for the Big XII (that's actually a raise for Gonzaga), but if the money is equal, let alone if there is any kind of increase UConn needs to jump at any kind of opportunity.

I don't think the next Big East deal is going to be anywhere near the windfall some were predicting a couple of seasons ago, or even last year. The Big East is nice to have, not must have property for the networks, even more so if you go to a streaming first model. Other than UConn & Villanova there are no other schools in the conference that on their own makes a game worth-airing. Creighton, Marquette, St. John's all are brands worth airing only if they are having success or making the news (for example if Pitino can stir up enough controversy to make St. John's the Colorado football of NCAA hoops). In a streaming model, only UConn & Villanova have brands big enough to drive subscriptions and, other than UConn, all are small(ish) private universities which further limits the ability to monetize the Big East rights through subscriptions.
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The money leagues can’t break off from the other leagues and have their own tournament without the big east… because the big east is one of the best conferences in the country… their tournament won’t look legit without the big east in it
 
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How Sway?! said:
If the B12 gave us an all sports invite, we would have taken it, but they haven't and they have shown no willingness to do so. Taking a Gonzaga type deal would relegate us to second class citizens in the worst power conference.
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Worst power conference > Any G5 conference

Granted the BE is a Power conference in Basketball for now, but things will change and if history has taught us anything, the strong will get stronger and kick us in the nuts.
 
Beachview said:
The money leagues can’t break off from the other leagues and have their own tournament without the big east… because the big east is one of the best conferences in the country… their tournament won’t look legit without the big east in it
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Pluck off 2/3/4 of the Big East upper tier programs and the money leagues have their cake and eat it too. Added bonus to them is Big East is then a carcass conference.
 
Beachview said:
The money leagues can’t break off from the other leagues and have their own tournament without the big east… because the big east is one of the best conferences in the country… their tournament won’t look legit without the big east in it
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The Big East world be quickly forgotten about within a year, the same way we were forgotten about when we landed in the AAC
 
JohnFSilver said:
Oh man. You are assuming no other institution wants to better themselves.

You have competitors, all over. The days of conferences coming to you are over. Now you have to go to conferences and it's a race to the bottom just to stay associated.

This is all conjecture and reading tea leaves, I just don't think the Big East can make it in the current environment. It doesn't have enough revenue options. It needs bigger schools and higher revenue sports.
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The Big East should reconsider the hybrid model. But with whom, and who could they interest as a suitor to broadcast those games?

The usual suspects would be Temple, USF, Memphis, to go along with UConn. With Army about to head to the AAC, maybe they'd be interested along with Navy, UMass and ECU? Navy Army could be FB only.
 
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noeynox said:
The Big East should reconsider the hybrid model. But with whom, and who could they interest as a suitor to broadcast those games?

The usual suspects would be Temple, USF, Memphis, to go along with UConn. With Army about to head to the AAC, maybe they'd be interested along with Navy, UMass and ECU? Navy Army could be FB only.
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That really worked the last time.
 
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