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whaler11 said:
Army had to quit CUSA because they couldn't compete. Can we please stop?
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If Navy can, Army can. Any discrepancy in performance between the two programs for the past 10-15 year is driven by internal institutional decisions, not externalities. I think it would be great if all three service academies landed in the AAC, whether or not we are there. As long as we are there, it would be fun.
 
Army's football team sucks, but they're still a national brand that people watch. Their attendance would have ranked something like third in the AAC last year, and they've played in one bowl game in roughly two decades.
 
If ND is undefeated or there aren't two many one loss teams, they get in the playoff.

The drama comes when the committee has to choose between a P5 team and ND for the last two spots. Who does the committee favor and who on the committee goes to bat for ND?

The B12 is tearing itself apart because they were snubbed one season. If the playoff stands at 4, ND might, MIGHT, join a conference. If it goes to 8, the school will close before doing so.
 
Drew said:
Was speaking strictly from a Fiscal/TV stand point if Independents are forced to join a conference. Having Army/Navy alone as an AAC game boosts the league's TV contract.
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Nobody can force anyone to join a conference.

Divide the Army/Navy game money by 14 and let me know why I would care?
 
Nobody watches Army games. Their TV contract is held by a network that isn't even rated. People watch Army and Navy once a year.

Army in the AAC is pure unadulterated insanity.
 
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If you're a uconn fan there is one reason to want army in the conference. Its close by.
 
whaler11 said:
Nobody watches Army games. Their TV contract is held by a network that isn't even rated. People watch Army and Navy once a year.

Army in the AAC is pure unadulterated insanity.
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Army/Navy draws great ratings. I think the TV contract was worth $5 million/yr, but Forbes magazine said, based on ratings, the game is worth at least $10 mill./yr. In addition, Army/Air Force gets a decent rating. Throw in that playing Army is going to attract more fans than say playing Tulane. Thus, Army would be an OK football addition, certainly better than most other available options. Plus, having 2 service acadamies would make the AAC less likely to be disowned by P5.
 
Yes having a team that goes 1-11 every year and can't compete would be awesome. I know everyone in Connecticut is fired up to play Army in September.

If the Army/Navy game is worth $10 million - then the idea those two schools would share the $10 million with the other AAC schools is laughable.

Army had to quit this league when it was worse than it is now. They lost to Yale last year so they haven't exactly made strides in improving in football.

And why would Air Force want to be in this league? They are in a similar conference that makes geographic sense. What does Mountain West tell them when they want to pull the football program out? Do they go independent in everything else?
 
whaler11 said:
Yes having a team that goes 1-11 every year and can't compete would be awesome. I know everyone in Connecticut is fired up to play Army in September.

If the Army/Navy game is worth $10 million - then the idea those two schools would share the $10 million with the other AAC schools is laughable.

Army had to quit this league when it was worse than it is now. They lost to Yale last year so they haven't exactly made strides in improving in football.

And why would Air Force want to be in this league? They are in a similar conference that makes geographic sense. What does Mountain West tell them when they want to pull the football program out? Do they go independent in everything else?
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I didn't say Air Force to the AAC. I said the /Army game draws OK and the AAC would have it every other year with Army in the conference. Army would add value even if they haven't done well in football in recent years. Army as a football only is a better add than UMass or Buffalo.
 
UConnJim said:
I didn't say Air Force to the AAC. I said the /Army game draws OK and the AAC would have it every other year with Army in the conference. Army would add value even if they haven't done well in football in recent years. Army as a football only is a better add than UMass or Buffalo.
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Why does the AAC need any football additions? I can see subtracting a few. Let's not go there unless it is Texas as a football only.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Why does the AAC need any football additions? I can see subtracting a few. Let's not go there unless it is Texas as a football only.
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Only if we lose a team or 2 would I add Army.
 
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CL82 said:
No, I'm pretty sure you might have mentioned it to us once or twice. Believe me we get it.
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Hey, I wonder if anybody has thought of ND going to the Big10? Seems like a match made in heaven. Geography is right. Big10 has hockey and lacrosse. ND has hockey and lacrosse. Great traditional rivalries in Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, and the ability to play in Chicago. Now that the Big10 has an East Coast presence, they can recruit their general student population from their home region. If I remember correctly, Maryland was started as a Catholic colony, so that has to help.

The only issue I see is the lack of AAU so it might be a stretch. I wonder if the Big10 presidents would overlook that. My guess is they might, so let's get this done. ND and UConn to the Big10!
 
dayooper said:
Hey, I wonder if anybody has thought of ND going to the Big10? Seems like a match made in heaven. Geography is right. Big10 has hockey and lacrosse. ND has hockey and lacrosse. Great traditional rivalries in Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, and the ability to play in Chicago. Now that the Big10 has an East Coast presence, they can recruit their general student population from their home region. If I remember correctly, Maryland was started as a Catholic colony, so that has to help.

The only issue I see is the lack of AAU so it might be a stretch. I wonder if the Big10 presidents would overlook that. My guess is they might, so let's get this done. ND and UConn to the Big10!
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Can I give this half of a like?
 
The fit will hit the shan with the P5's when a 1 loss ND team is selected for the playoff, and a 1 loss P5 team whose only loss was in their conference CG) misses that same playoff. Still won't make a difference. They cannot make ND join a league and they are not going to change the rules that only a conference champion who wins a championship game can qualify for the playoff. The would prevent a league from getting the concessional 2 teams in the playoff.
 
SAMCRO said:
The fit will hit the shan with the P5's when a 1 loss ND team is selected for the playoff, and a 1 loss P5 team whose only loss was in their conference CG) misses that same playoff. Still won't make a difference. They cannot make ND join a league and they are not going to change the rules that only a conference champion who wins a championship game can qualify for the playoff. The would prevent a league from getting the concessional 2 teams in the playoff.
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No, the problem is going to be when an 11-1 ND team gets picked over a 12-1 ACC champ FSU. They'll burn this mother down if that happens.
 
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dayooper said:
Hey, I wonder if anybody has thought of ND going to the Big10? Seems like a match made in heaven. Geography is right. Big10 has hockey and lacrosse. ND has hockey and lacrosse. Great traditional rivalries in Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, and the ability to play in Chicago. Now that the Big10 has an East Coast presence, they can recruit their general student population from their home region. If I remember correctly, Maryland was started as a Catholic colony, so that has to help.

The only issue I see is the lack of AAU so it might be a stretch. I wonder if the Big10 presidents would overlook that. My guess is they might, so let's get this done. ND and UConn to the Big10!
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CL82 said:
No, I'm pretty sure you might have mentioned it to us once or twice. Believe me we get it.
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This is exactly why Notre Dame is viewed as the most pompous, arrogant, obnoxious entity in sports. Good lord, we get it, you view yourselves as being 'better' than everyone else. Stop telling us every two seconds.
 
Not all ND fans and alums see it as the cost of doing business. That is a blanket statement, we want access and have it now, if that changes we will join in full. Swarbrick has said time and time again what would make us go in full. If our access gets severely cut we will join, that is fact..
 
kyleslamb said:
This is exactly why Notre Dame is viewed as the most pompous, arrogant, obnoxious entity in sports. Good lord, we get it, you view yourselves as being 'better' than everyone else. Stop telling us every two seconds.
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Different goals, not "better". That was your word, not mine.
 
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TerryD said:
Different goals, not "better". That was your word, not mine.
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The totality of your posts might not say those words exactly, but you've certainly come off as saying just that. Heck, you constantly rail against the Big Ten because Notre Dame is "national" and that league is just "regional" which is preposterous anyhow, since the Big Ten is every bit a national league as it gets.... more so than the ACC.

The whole 'we don't belong in a league' is an arrogant stance. Like I said, perhaps you don't say the words exactly, but the intent is pretty clear.
 
If Our Lady Ain't Happy, Ain't Nobody Happy.

Been trying to tell you guys that for a long time now.
 
I don't get upset by the Irish, their fans, nor their take on independence. It is a long time self definition of their identity.

I do think that playing a 12 game schedule with no shot at a CCG will disadvantage them in a play off....particularly since they can not be a champion of any conference..which is purportedly given weight.

And, I think that narrative is already being formed....the fact that some ACC coaches are public about it is not thoughtless mike gobbling but active narrative setting.
 
kyleslamb said:
The totality of your posts might not say those words exactly, but you've certainly come off as saying just that. Heck, you constantly rail against the Big Ten because Notre Dame is "national" and that league is just "regional" which is preposterous anyhow, since the Big Ten is every bit a national league as it gets.... more so than the ACC.

The whole 'we don't belong in a league' is an arrogant stance. Like I said, perhaps you don't say the words exactly, but the intent is pretty clear.
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My posts have never said that, period. I have talked about tradition and identity. Sure, I dislike the Big Ten and have for fifty years. Is that arrogance? No, just like people who dislike ND are not arrogant for their beliefs, either.
 
TerryD said:
My posts have never said that, period. I have talked about tradition and identity. Sure, I dislike the Big Ten and have for fifty years. Is that arrogance? No, just like people who dislike ND are not arrogant for their beliefs, either.
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In broadcasting school, we had an exercise where we constantly had to listen to recordings of our monologues. We never realized how many times we say "um" or "like," etc. until we go back and actually listen. Others hear it, but we often don't hear it ourselves.

Perhaps you'd benefit from this exercise going back and re-reading your posts on this subject over the years. You might realize how it comes across to others around you. No matter how you spin it, there is a bit of underlying arrogance when it comes to wanting independence. There's really no other way around that. But even if your intentions are as you say, and I have no reason to suggest you're lying, understand the frequency and tone in which you say these things over and over provide for a very annoying experience to those you're conversing with. It becomes like nails on a chalkboard after a while.
 
On that topic but independent of my response to Terry, I think the independence excuse is bunk anyhow; or rather, hypocritical. If Notre Dame were really about an identity of independence, they should have never joined a league for all the other sports. To say 'we're Notre Dame, we value our independence' but proceed to join a conference in all other sports beyond football devalues that stance.

The reality is that if that ideal is one Notre Dame values, it sold out long ago when it joined the Big East.
 
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