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I'm not going to lie. It moved a little bit when the prospect of an SEC, ACC, or Big 12 Opponent playing in Beaver Stadium at the end of December popped into my head. Bowl games have always been road games for Northern Teams. Seeing that potentially flipped on its head will be glorious.

FYI the water freezes in the bathrooms. Enjoy.

Been to a bowl game where it was 16 degrees....Didn't seem to hamper FSU...

But the coldest I've been was at only 40 degrees, a monsoon rain, and a driving wind. And I was soaked.

The Cotton Bowl vs Texas A&M, the chairs were covered with sheets of ice.
 
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Pretty sure WVU and Cincy are locked into a GOR with the new Big 12 deal. ACC has screwed themselves with expansion. Their 1st move should have been RU UConn. Right along the Atlantic coast.
I would love to see UConn in the ACC. But would its presence increase the amount paid to members from the TV deal? FSU and Clemson are already complaining about too little cash. A new member may cause more issues. UConn may need to wait for some members to drop out of the conference and then fill the spot.
 
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I very much doubt the acc wants us…its been 12 years since they raided the big east..and took everyone but us…maybe in 2036 when half the acc leaves..we might get a invite
 
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Pretty sure WVU and Cincy are locked into a GOR with the new Big 12 deal. ACC has screwed themselves with expansion. Their 1st move should have been RU UConn. Right along the Atlantic coast.

Yeah, Brett Yormark said that all of the Big 12 schools signed a new GORs a few months ago and it lasts through 2031. Also the ACC missed their opportunity in 2021. When rumors that the ACC was looking at Big 12 schools popped up last year (and the rumors turned out to be fact once the Nortn Carolina chancellor and AD emails leaked out) the Big 12 publicly stated that they had no interest in the ACC or Pac-12. Truthfully if you look at what the Big 12 is doing with basketball the ACC should grab UConn and try and do something similar.
 
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I think everybody is forgetting these superleagues are going to be unstable and will try to throw off weak members like a dying star explosively ejects it's own peripheral mass
The Super conferences need to have teams that lose games. If you have a lot of teams going 7-5, or 5-7.
You will lose a lot of fans that way, after a few years the money is going down.
 
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The Super conferences need to have teams that lose games. If you have a lot of teams going 7-5, or 5-7.
You will lose a lot of fans that way, after a few years the money is going down.
No one cares about that. The goal is to print as much money as possible, so you'd rather have the biggest name brands with the biggest followings in your portfolio over ones that win the most often. If winning was a metric that mattered even a little bit, we'd have been one of the most sought after schools over the last couple of decades. No school has hoisted more championship trophies in front of a national TV audience over the last 20 years than UConn.
 

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No one cares about that. The goal is to print as much money as possible, so you'd rather have the biggest name brands with the biggest followings in your portfolio over ones that win the most often. If winning was a metric that mattered even a little bit, we'd have been one of the most sought after schools over the last couple of decades. No school has hoisted more championship trophies in front of a national TV audience over the last 20 years than UConn.

Dead horse meme

FOOTBALL MATTERS MORE!!!!!!!!!!

You do have one part correct though. One would think they wouldn't want to kill the golden goose, over-prune the tree, or whatever metaphor you choose.

However, the the powers that be won't be there when either the tree or goose dies so they are getting theirs and leaving the carcass for someone else to deal with.
 
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UConn's shot at the ACC was at it's peak at the time that there was a transitioning between basketball and football as the main source of media funding. Once football accounted for 80% of the ESPN contract, the media partner valued teams differently. And as DeFilippo famously said....
"We always keep our television partners close to us,’’ he said. "You don’t get extra money for basketball. It’s 85 percent football money. TV - ESPN - is the one who told us what to do. This was football; it had nothing to do with basketball.’’

Swofford has said that the transition took the ACC by surprise. The basketball oriented conference had been making more from basketball and they failed to forsee the ultimate takeover by football in media value.

But, saying that, the foray into the Northeast, with Cuse and BC, has been a football lesson. Yep, Cuse picked up NY cable boxes for the ACCN,,,but neither team was a second base hit.
 
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The Super conferences need to have teams that lose games. If you have a lot of teams going 7-5, or 5-7.
You will lose a lot of fans that way, after a few years the money is going down.
It’s killing the SEC
 
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All the speculation is fun but we have to speculate on what the end game even is. 10 years ago we had to get in a P5 conference. Today I am not nearly as concerned because everyone not in the P2 is trying to figure out the angles. A version of an East Coast conference although not making the same bank as the others would be fine with me. I still maintain a Big East-ACC hybrid could be a unique survivor because the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic is simply different than the rest of the country.
 
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Wouldn't this just be a bigger version of the old Big East that the Catholic schools ultimately wanted nothing to do with?
Exactly. Except this time they could proactively design a system everyone is happy with instead of having it develop willy nilly. Duke, Wake, Pitt, ND, SU, Louisville, and BC for ballast chief, I think the Catholics would find that basketball acceptable. The Big East may not be able to hold at 10 or 11 programs long term.
 
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No one cares about that. The goal is to print as much money as possible, so you'd rather have the biggest name brands with the biggest followings in your portfolio over ones that win the most often. If winning was a metric that mattered even a little bit, we'd have been one of the most sought after schools over the last couple of decades. No school has hoisted more championship trophies in front of a national TV audience over the last 20 years than UConn.
Conference realignment has been driven by football, not basketball. If UConn football had won championships in the AAC like UCF, Cincy, and Houston did, UConn would have been invited to the Big 12.

If you look at college football attendance over time, the schools with the highest attendance and largest stadiums are the schools that win the most. Do you think Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State... fans will be happy with 7-5 seasons and fill the stadium? Look at FSU. Dominated the ACC and won national championships. When the team struggled, attendance declined from about 80k per game down to the 50ks per game.
 

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Conference realignment has been driven by football, not basketball. If UConn football had won championships in the AAC like UCF, Cincy, and Houston did, UConn would have been invited to the Big 12.
Conference championships have absolutely nothing to do with the selection of schools to join the P5 conferences. What championship did Rutgers win to get it into the Big Ten? UConn won the big east conference, twice, and yet we were left on the island of misfit toys, known as the American Athletic Conference.

Although conference expansion justifications change with each round of realignment, if you had to pick a particular driving factor, and being located in a major population center, that is currently not represented in a conference is probably a key indicator.
If you look at college football attendance over time, the schools with the highest attendance and largest stadiums are the schools that win the most. Do you think Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State... fans will be happy with 7-5 seasons and fill the stadium? Look at FSU. Dominated the ACC and won national championships. When the team struggled, attendance declined from about 80k per game down to the 50ks per game.

I think you may be confusing correlation and causation. Successful football programs draw more fans. I think we should see the impact of last season in this season’s football attendance numbers, particularly if we get off to a good start.
 
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All the speculation is fun but we have to speculate on what the end game even is. 10 years ago we had to get in a P5 conference. Today I am not nearly as concerned because everyone not in the P2 is trying to figure out the angles. A version of an East Coast conference although not making the same bank as the others would be fine with me. I still maintain a Big East-ACC hybrid could be a unique survivor because the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic is simply different than the rest of the country.
This is probably my dream scenario, we don’t have to leave the big east which we all love as a basketball conference, and we gain a decent and consistent football schedule. We also could possibly have yearly matchups with duke on the hardwood which would be good for visibility and recruiting. I don’t know how realistic something like this would ever be.
 

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Duke also could possibly have yearly matchups with us on the hardwood which would be good for their visibility and recruiting.
FIFY. It's a subtle difference, but we're the Big Dog and they would be getting the added visibility. ;)
 
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This is probably my dream scenario, we don’t have to leave the big east which we all love as a basketball conference, and we gain a decent and consistent football schedule. We also could possibly have yearly matchups with duke on the hardwood which would be good for visibility and recruiting. I don’t know how realistic something like this would ever be.
It's a plausible outcome - especially since it lets ND remain independent in FB (which I think remains their sole objective).

Eighteen basketball schools under the Big East brand - a powerhouse league and tourney at MSG.

The football-playing schools could have a football-specific conference called the Atlantic Coast Conference - all football money from that conference is segregated from the Big East. Add a few other schools to the football conference - Army, Navy, Temple, USF, James Madison, ECU (e.g., schools "in-footprint") - and as long as it has access to a playoff spot (even if the access is shared with ND) it could thrive.
 
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Conference championships have absolutely nothing to do with the selection of schools to join the P5 conferences. What championship did Rutgers win to get it into the Big Ten? UConn won the big east conference, twice, and yet we were left on the island of misfit toys, known as the American Athletic Conference.
Getting a call up from the G5 to P5 has been almost solely based on football performance. Six G5 schools have gotten the call up to the P5: TCU, Utah, Cincy, Houston, UCF, and BYU. All of the schools were doing very well in football before they were called up. Here were their records in the 4 years before they moved conferences and number of Top 25 final poll rankings:

TCU: 47-5 (4 Top 25 finishes)
Utah: 42-10. (3)
Cincy: 42-9 (3)
UCF: 37-12. (2) 5 years ago they were 13-0.
Houston: 27-20 (1)
BYU: 35-16. (2)

The Big East was a BCS conference, not a G5 conference. Rutgers was mediocre in football, but they showed their commitment to football by expanding their stadium before they got the Big 10 invite, they were an AAU university, and they brought NYC and NJ cable boxes.
 

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Rutgers was mediocre in football, but they showed their commitment to football by expanding their stadium before they got the Big 10 invite, they were an AAU university, and they brought NYC and NJ cable boxes.
You kind of make my point for me here. Rutgers didn’t have on the field success, but “showed commitment” and was located in the right spot. He seem to be looking at the last round of expansion and defining, all conference realignment by it. Practically speaking, football success hasn’t been the engine that drives it cable boxes has been. In the future, that will change from cable boxes, to “potential online subscribers”. Conference realignment isn’t about making conference is better, it’s about making conference’s richer.
 
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You kind of make my point for me here. Rutgers didn’t have on the field success, but “showed commitment” and was located in the right spot. He seem to be looking at the last round of expansion and defining, all conference realignment by it. Practically speaking, football success hasn’t been the engine that drives it cable boxes has been. In the future, that will change from cable boxes, to “potential online subscribers”. Conference realignment isn’t about making conference is better, it’s about making conference’s richer.

But there are different levels. On-field success is important for non-power conferences schools but schools jumping from one power conference to another are already in the club and far more often than not are given the benefit of the doubt based on "potential" something non-BCS/G5 rarely given.
 
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It's a plausible outcome - especially since it lets ND remain independent in FB (which I think remains their sole objective).

Eighteen basketball schools under the Big East brand - a powerhouse league and tourney at MSG.

The football-playing schools could have a football-specific conference called the Atlantic Coast Conference - all football money from that conference is segregated from the Big East. Add a few other schools to the football conference - Army, Navy, Temple, USF, James Madison, ECU (e.g., schools "in-footprint") - and as long as it has access to a playoff spot (even if the access is shared with ND) it could thrive.
Let me get this straight. You're good with the idea of a hybrid sports conference comprised of basketball only Catholic Schools and FBS Level Football Schools? A conference that would allow ND to fully benefit while giving next to nothing of value back? Where have I seen this before? UConn Fans don't walk, run from this. Tell your AD and president to call Yormak everyday until he either says yes or puts a restraining order on your entire leadership.
 

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