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Agreed with all of this, except Texas. ESPN is overpaying them until 2031, unless something goes completely insane.

OU may very well end up being the linchpin for the next round of CR - 2022 will be a turning point, given the probable end of their T3 arrangement outside the B12.
Send this post to Edsall & Benedict. They need the schedule for getting the football team respectable again.
(Yes, I know it's about money, but a winning football program wouldn't hurt.)
 
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It's been a topic on and off these days. And coming from a Nebraska perspective I thought was noteworthy.

This looks more key, though:

 
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The new deal will have CBS Sports picking up 20 regular-season games each year, with at least two for each of the 10 schools. Up to four games annually will air on CBS’ broadcast network, with the remainder on CBS Sports Network. In the CBS release, officials from the network and the conference emphasized the continuation of their long-running partnership (which dates back to the old Big East):
 
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Would you rather have your games on FS2 or CBSSN? That's what this amounts to.

Personally, I'd rather my games be on FS2 if only because they are more accessible for streaming. CBS remains the most restrictive network when it comes to content.
 

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CBS SN lost inventory with the AAC + deal.

This is really just an extension of what they were already doing.
Yep and a sign that ESPN is reluctant to part with + content. That doesn't bode well for them reaching an accommodation with SNY.
 
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Yep and a sign that ESPN is reluctant to part with + content. That doesn't bode well for them reaching an accommodation with SNY.
I think the SNY ship has sailed. The fact that there has been nothing said by Benedict, Aresco or ESPN about it seems that all parties have moved on.

If there are/were actual conversations going on it wouldn’t take this long since there aren’t that many games involved. Plus, as you said, no reason for ESPN to give up any content. In the past, they would sell games off because they had no linear platform to show them on. Now, they can park an infinite number of games on +
 

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I think the SNY ship has sailed. The fact that there has been nothing said by Benedict, Aresco or ESPN about it seems that all parties have moved on.

If there are/were actual conversations going on it wouldn’t take this long since there aren’t that many games involved. Plus, as you said, no reason for ESPN to give up any content. In the past, they would sell games off because they had no linear platform to show them on. Now, they can park an infinite number of games on +
Yep and they off loaded the productions costs to SNY, now we bear the production costs. Still one would think that there's a dollar amount that would make it worthwhile to them. Whether it is a number that reasonable for SNY to pay in another thing.
 
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Yep and they off loaded the productions costs to SNY, now we bear the production costs. Still one would think that there's a dollar amount that would make it worthwhile to them. Whether it is a number that reasonable for SNY to pay in another thing.
Sure there has to be some number that they would take but, as the focus is on growing the + platform, ESPN knows that they can bring viewers (i.e. UConn Women’s hoops fans) that they would otherwise never get.

Why sell off those games if it brings new viewers to +?
 

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Sure there has to be some number that they would take but, as the focus is on growing the + platform, ESPN knows that they can bring viewers (i.e. UConn Women’s hoops fans) that they would otherwise never get.

Why sell off those games if it brings new viewers to +?
If I were pitching it? I'd say that ESPN gets cash up front, professional quality production and broadcast rights outside of SNY footprint, and the right to rebroadcast after X days. They still get money, and content and avoid a minor PR kerfuffle in their domicile state.
 
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If I were pitching it? I'd say that ESPN gets cash up front, professional quality production and broadcast rights outside of SNY footprint, and the right to rebroadcast after X days. They still get money, and content and avoid a minor PR kerfuffle in their domicile state.
But you're pitching it thru UConn colored glasses.

They don't care about UConn or the state of Connecticut. All they care about is driving viewers to +. Forcing UConn Women's Hoops fans to + is a HUGE win for them
 

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But you're pitching it thru UConn colored glasses.

They don't care about UConn or the state of Connecticut. All they care about is driving viewers to +. Forcing UConn Women's Hoops fans to + is a HUGE win for them
Not so much, you pitch to your buyer which in this case is ESPN. All of those things are pluses to them. The question is whether they value it above have CT fans as a captive audience.
 

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Not so much, you pitch to your buyer which in this case is ESPN. All of those things are pluses to them. The question is whether they value it above have CT fans as a captive audience.
So you think ESPN is going to sell one of the few things that has value in the package they bought?

It seems pretty unlikely there is going to be an SNY deal - it completely defeats the purpose of what they are doing. The CAA walked away because they wouldn’t leave the RCN deals in place.
 

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So you think ESPN is going to sell one of the few things that has value in the package they bought?

It seems pretty unlikely there is going to be an SNY deal - it completely defeats the purpose of what they are doing. The CAA walked away because they wouldn’t leave the RCN deals in place.
Not really but if it is, that will be the analysis. Essentially is the cash up front worth giving up the real time broadcast rights. As noted above the question is does the dollar amount that SNY will pay worth more than having Connecticut fans as a captive audience. I agree that ESPN will consider the value of being the only game in town in deciding whether or not to sell. One interesting question is whether UConn WBB fans will buy and watch online content. I suspect that a lot of them may not. If ESPN believes that as well then selling those games to SNY may essentially be "found money." I'd give SNY about a 40% shot at getting some kind of UConn WBB package. What do you think?
 
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So you think ESPN is going to sell one of the few things that has value in the package they bought?

It seems pretty unlikely there is going to be an SNY deal - it completely defeats the purpose of what they are doing. The CAA walked away because they wouldn’t leave the RCN deals in place.
I think it depends on how much you can sell the games to SNY for. Maybe you sell them 10 games and keep the rest. I think the key for SNY is what is the magic number of UConn women's basketball games that they have to show in order to maintain their subscribers in Connecticut.

Also, don't think that Disney is going to sit still on ESPN+ content. It is being reported that ESPN+ may bid on Direct TV's NFL Sunday ticket.
 

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Not really but if it is, that will be the analysis. Essentially is the cash up front worth giving up the real time broadcast rights. As noted above the question is does the dollar amount that SNY will pay worth more than having Connecticut fans as a captive audience. I agree that ESPN will consider the value of being the only game in town in deciding whether or not to sell. One interesting question is whether UConn WBB fans will buy and watch online content. I suspect that a lot of them may not. If ESPN believes that as well then selling those games to SNY may essentially be "found money." I'd give SNY about a 40% shot at getting some kind of UConn WBB package. What do you think?
Based on how it’s played out I think UConn knew the entire time there is no deal coming and played stupid through the annoucement. Then 90 minutes later they had their official statements ready to go because they were written a long time prior.

ESPN is clearly losing money on + in an attempt to grow the subscriber base - selling games to SNY is the complete opposite of their strategy with + to date.

Of course they could sell the games to SNY and make more than the $5 * marginals subs * months but that isn’t their calculus here.
 
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Not really but if it is, that will be the analysis. Essentially is the cash up front worth giving up the real time broadcast rights. As noted above the question is does the dollar amount that SNY will pay worth more than having Connecticut fans as a captive audience. I agree that ESPN will consider the value of being the only game in town in deciding whether or not to sell. One interesting question is whether UConn WBB fans will buy and watch online content. I suspect that a lot of them may not. If ESPN believes that as well then selling those games to SNY may essentially be "found money." I'd give SNY about a 40% shot at getting some kind of UConn WBB package. What do you think?
I think 40% is a very high number.

ESPN isn't going to know what the % of Women's fans is until well into the season. They will likely see an increase in the numbers as the season goes on. Once fans realize the ONLY way to watch games is on + the likelihood of them jumping in increases.

There is probably a better chance of having some OTA broadcast in year 2 versus year 1 as the first year will be the test
 

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Based on how it’s played out I think UConn knew the entire time there is no deal coming and played stupid through the annoucement. Then 90 minutes later they had their official statements ready to go because they were written a long time prior.

ESPN is clearly losing money on + in an attempt to grow the subscriber base - selling games to SNY is the complete opposite of their strategy with + to date.

Of course they could sell the games to SNY and make more than the $5 * marginals subs * months but that isn’t their calculus here.
So no chance in your view?

Once fans realize the ONLY way to watch games is on + the likelihood of them jumping in increases.
I think you over estimate the computer literacy of the fan base.
 

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Based on how it’s played out I think UConn knew the entire time there is no deal coming and played stupid through the annoucement. Then 90 minutes later they had their official statements ready to go because they were written a long time prior.
Bingo!

And this is what infuriates me the most about the whole deal. UConn's leadership clearly knew what was going to happen in the deal and chose to look the other way because they would get slightly more money, fan base be damned. That seems to consistently be their approach.

You can get away with that approach when times are good. But times haven't been good for quite some time. Cutting your arms off is not an effective way to lose weight...
 

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Bingo!

And this is what infuriates me the most about the whole deal. UConn's leadership clearly knew what was going to happen in the deal and chose to look the other way because they would get slightly more money, fan base be damned. That seems to consistently be their approach.

You can get away with that approach when times are good. But times haven't been good for quite some time. Cutting your arms off is not an effective way to lose weight...
The herbst statement was days of crafting by communications people. They worked on every word of it.
 
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