Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Eavesdrop]

Geography isn’t much of a factor anymore with the Big10. I personally think FSU is at the top of the Big10’s wish list. I couldn’t tell you if the feeling is mutual with the school (seems fans are partial to the SEC), but my guess is that the Big10 would not turn down FSU. If the Noles were worried about partners, my guess is that could be fixed with Miami and GT.

Billy is correct. If given a choice between the SEC and Big Ten, the majority of Florida State alumni/fans would choose the SEC. However, there is a decent sized minority that would vote for the Big Ten. My guess is the current split is something like 70% to 30% (plus or minus 5%).

The thing is that most of those who prefer the SEC understand the university might not have a choice. And nearly all of them would prefer to move to the Big Ten rather than stay in the ACC.

 

[uconndogs]

I think the BiG and SEC have a "wink and a nod" to stay largely north and south. They know they need each other to carve out the best markets for themselves. So I don't think FSU will have much choice in the matter assuming the GOR issue can ever be addressed.

 

[CL82]

I know what UConn is.

Then why’d you ask?

 

[gioff2323]

I know what UConn is. My point is that he isn't giving much credit to the B12 schools. While none are super great, they're not directional community colleges either.

You have a brilliant child in hs. Where are they applying - Iowa state? Ok state? KSU? Baylor? BYU? Ucf? Houston?

You’re right, I’m giving them no credit. In fairness, I’m giving their academic prowess as much credit as I do your comments about basketball - no one cares about Bball in terms of conf realignment. NOONE.

 

[TheCatsLair]

You have a brilliant child in hs. Where are they applying - Iowa state? Ok state? KSU? Baylor? BYU? Ucf? Houston?

You’re right, I’m giving them no credit. In fairness, I’m giving their academic prowess as much credit as I do your comments about basketball - no one cares about Bball in terms of conf realignment. NOONE.

So you're criticizing academic institutions based on athletics? Because those are quality academic institutions but you're criticizing them because of conferences. I mean Iowa State was an AAU school as recently as last year and they would still qualify as one now but they withdrew on their own. You criticize the University of Cincinnati's academics but they are considered a top tier academics institution and are likely one of the next 2 or 3 schools to be invited to the AAU when it expands again.

 

[Slasher]

You have a brilliant child in hs. Where are they applying - Iowa state? Ok state? KSU? Baylor? BYU? Ucf? Houston?

You’re right, I’m giving them no credit. In fairness, I’m giving their academic prowess as much credit as I do your comments about basketball - no one cares about Bball in terms of conf realignment. NOONE.

Dumb argument, but a truly brilliant child isn't going to any school that has a real football/basketball team. Ivy League schools, MIT, CIT, Johns Hopkins, maybe Stanford. Those kids aren't going to UNC or Ohio State.

 

[billybud]

So you're criticizing academic institutions based on athletics? Because those are quality academic institutions but you're criticizing them because of conferences. I mean Iowa State was an AAU school as recently as last year and they would still qualify as one now but they withdrew on their own. You criticize the University of Cincinnati's academics but they are considered a top tier academics institution and are likely one of the next 2 or 3 schools to be invited to the AAU when it expands again.

Iowa State is a good uni...but ranked by USNWR far below Clemson, Georgia, NC State and below USF, Auburn, South Carolina, and Tennessee....

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

You have a brilliant child in hs. Where are they applying - Iowa state? Ok state? KSU? Baylor? BYU? Ucf? Houston?

You’re right, I’m giving them no credit. In fairness, I’m giving their academic prowess as much credit as I do your comments about basketball - no one cares about Bball in terms of conf realignment. NOONE.

I didn't say that basketball was the driver of conference realignment - you just dragged that in.

You were the one broad-stroking how the B12 is so awful academically... I would be open minded to consider any institution of higher learning. It would depend on so many factors and I would imagine that a brilliant kid could thrive in so many environments.

 

[TheCatsLair]

Iowa State is a good uni...but ranked by USNWR far below Clemson, Georgia, NC State and below USF, Auburn, South Carolina, and Tennessee....

Which are all good schools. Also USNWR is more of a popularity poll as opposed to a real technical poll.

 

[CL82]

Which are all good schools. Also USNWR is more of a popularity poll as opposed to a real technical poll.

I don’t know if it’s a popularity poll, per se, but its metrics are easily, and often, manipulated by schools. It is a popular reference though.

 

[Eavesdrop]

Iowa State was an AAU school as recently as last year and they would still qualify as one now but they withdrew on their own.

I have nothing against Iowa State, but let's be real. ISU was probably under membership review or about to be. We don't know for certain because that information isn't public.

Regardless, based on ISU's very public criticisms of the AAU's membership criteria, it seems likely that university leaders minimally saw the proverbial writing on the wall and chose to exit voluntarily early like Syracuse rather than be expelled later like Nebraska.

You criticize the University of Cincinnati's academics but they are considered a top tier academics institution and are likely one of the next 2 or 3 schools to be invited to the AAU when it expands again.

I also have nothing against the the University of Cincinnati. But there are a LOT of non-AAU schools that have far better research and academic profiles.

Anyway, this is a key tweet thread so I will post nothing else off topic.

 

[shizzle787]

This is turning into non-key tweets. I feel like there shouldn’t be any commentary on key tweets-leave it for tweets only. When I see a notification for this thread, I (and everyone else) should expect to see a key tweet.

 

[TheCatsLair]

I have nothing against Iowa State, but let's be real. ISU was probably under membership review or about to be. We don't know for certain because that information isn't public.

Regardless, based on ISU's very public criticisms of the AAU's membership criteria, it seems likely that university leaders minimally saw the proverbial writing on the wall and chose to exit voluntarily early like Syracuse rather than be expelled later like Nebraska.


I also have nothing against the the University of Cincinnati. But there are a LOT of non-AAU schools that have far better research and academic profiles.

Anyway, this is a key tweet thread so I will post nothing else off topic.

Iowa State left because the AAU shifted from heavy research requirements to medical requirements. Then it started to punish schools who had satellite campuses or didn't have these research facilities on particular campuses. That hurt Nebraska and cost them their AAU status. Iowa State actually maintained these requirements and likely would have retained their AAU status for at least 10 more years but grew tired in the AAU's academic shifts and suddenly stringent policies.

The part about the University of Cincinnati is not true that's your opinion, Cincinnati's profile would make it an upper mid-tier AAU school. That came from then-Cincinnati president and current Michigan president Santa Ono. The University of Cincinnati is actually a better fit for the "new" AAU vision than Iowa State as well as universities fighting dir nembership due to it's growth in the medical field.

These are relevant to this thread because some if criticizing and even bashed Big 12 academics.

 

[gioff2323]

I didn't say that basketball was the driver of conference realignment - you just dragged that in.

You were the one broad-stroking how the B12 is so awful academically... I would be open minded to consider any institution of higher learning. It would depend on so many factors and I would imagine that a brilliant kid could thrive in so many environments.

This is your quote - keep up

B12 momentum is real - arguably the best basketball conference for the past few years (with multiple recent natty's)

 

[huskypantz]

Iowa State left because the AAU shifted from heavy research requirements to medical requirements. Then it started to punish schools who had satellite campuses or didn't have these research facilities on particular campuses. That hurt Nebraska and cost them their AAU status. Iowa State actually maintained these requirements and likely would have retained their AAU status for at least 10 more years but grew tired in the AAU's academic shifts and suddenly stringent policies.

The part about the University of Cincinnati is not true that's your opinion, Cincinnati's profile would make it an upper mid-tier AAU school. That came from then-Cincinnati president and current Michigan president Santa Ono. The University of Cincinnati is actually a better fit for the "new" AAU vision than Iowa State as well as universities fighting dir nembership due to it's growth in the medical field.

These are relevant to this thread because some if criticizing and even bashed Big 12 academics.

AAU is more upstater's game but I thought the main dig was that they are heavy on ag research.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

This is your quote - keep up

B12 momentum is real - arguably the best basketball conference for the past few years (with multiple recent natty's)

Dude, where did I say basketball drives conference realignment? Why don't you try to find that and keep up/not twist what people say.

 

[TheCatsLair]

AAU is more upstater's game but I thought the main dig was that they are heavy on ag research.

They used to be but they've switched from that to general research similar to what schools like Cincinnati and UAB are known for which is why they are likely the next AAU invites. This is why they put Nebraska on a 10 year probation and then eventually stripped them of AAU status. Now the AAU is starting to lean hard on medical facilities and research as well which fits the profile of a Cincinnati and UAB and hurts schools like Nebraska, Syracuse and Iowa State which is why they were kicked out of or simply left the AAU.

 

[Ha Who]

Any tweets out there?

 

[CL82]

Any tweets out there?

 

[jostar1]

Any tweets out there?

 

[Rappin'Rodney]

 

[CL82]

 

[LesMis89]

Chicago Bears hire Big Ten's Kevin Warren as president, CEO

"Warren had been with the Big Ten since June 2019 but recently was not given a contract extension by the conference, sources told Thamel. "

 

[uconntailgater]

His work was done with the B1G. He guided expansion with the addition of USC and UCLA, along with the very lucrative television deal across three OTA networks. The value of that contract will be the accessibility of games without cable or satellite. Yes, games will be on cable, satellite, conference Network, and streaming Too.

 

[Rappin'Rodney]

Pac 12 fires two top executives for failing to report $50 million in overpayments from Pac 12 Network programming distributor partner starting in 2016:



Link to archived article.

Link to Pac 12 press release.

 

[Kolumbo]

Pac 12 fires two top executives for failing to report $50 million in overpayments from Pac 12 Network programming distributor partner starting in 2016:



Link to archived article.

Link to Pac 12 press release.

"The audit concluded that one of the Pac-12 distribution partners had overpaid the Pac-12 Networks for the year 2016 by a material amount."

So the "distribution partner" paid $50 million too much over 5 years or so. what the heck kind of controls do they have in place over there? If it wasn't espn or fox, who was it? Marty Byrde laundering cash?

 

[CoastAtlantic]

 

[billybud]

LOL...they are talking endowment funds...

Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT are in the top five.

Alabama, Georgia level football ?

As Steven Tyler wails..."Dream on...dream on".

 

[Slasher]

Even if Harvard was targeted, Harvard would say no.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The premise behind that click bait essay is that Harvard (and a couple other schools), due to their massive endowments can use NIL, filled with endowment dollars to buy their way into the top of major college football.

The issues are a) those schools were once at the top of major college football but they intentionally moved away from that some 90 years ago in order to preserve their academic status (when major football was far less of a threat to that than it is today) and b) it assumes that a school can spend endowment money in any manner it wants. A good amount of this is earmarked for specific purposes and while a few Ivies likely have a larger amount of unencumbered endowment funds than most schools have total endowment funds, there are tax rules on what they can spend endowment money on.

Other than maybe a few dozen alumni from Harvard, Yale and Princeton who at cocktail parties like stating how great their football programs were from the start of college football into the 1930's and how they could get there again, there is really nobody putting any thought or effort into any of the Ivies improving their overall level of play.