Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[The Viking]

ChuckCarltonDMN: @mikefinger If Big 12 takes new TV deal with more $$$ not to expand, it would have to include new grant of rights. Would Texas, OU sign off?

So either we get into the Big 12 now or hope it collapses when the current deal is done for more realignment. At that point (2023 or 2024?) the B1G makes a move for us along with gobbling up Kansas, OK and Texas, OR ND goes full and we are added OR we just merge the best of the AAC with the Big 12 leftovers to make a better conference.

But I would think that a Big 12 GOR extension for 2030 or beyond without us included is bad news for UConn. That would be quite a longterm lockout scenario.

 

[amory]

So either we get into the Big 12 now or hope it collapses when the current deal is done for more realignment. At that point (2023 or 2024?) the B1G makes a move for us along with gobbling up Kansas, OK and Texas, OR ND goes full and we are added OR we just merge the best of the AAC with the Big 12 leftovers to make a better conference.

But I would think that a Big 12 GOR extension for 2030 or beyond without us included is bad news for UConn. That would be quite a longterm lockout scenario.

If we don't get in now, there's no guarantee we ever get in. In the event we don't get in and have to survive in the G5 wasteland for ~8 years, you can assume it'll go like this:

• UConn gets snubbed again in the next couple weeks.
• We have a decent 1-2 seasons playing in the AAC against the lame ducks.
• They leave, our SOS becomes a joke in football and basketball
• Diaco and/or Ollie eventually leave
• We lose out on the recruits we used to sign
• Eventually Big 12 implodes or ACC decides to add #16. By the time that happens, UConn isn't what it is today based on a combination of no money / no competition
• Media says "UConn has really fallen off, what's the point in adding them?" Irony that the reason we fell off, namely that no one would accept us into their conference, is completely lost and never mentioned except here
• UConn eventually returns to the Big East and kills off football

 

[buddy]

If we don't get in now, there's no guarantee we ever get in. In the event we don't get in and have to survive in the G5 wasteland for ~8 years, you can assume it'll go like this:

• UConn gets snubbed again in the next couple weeks.
• We have a decent 1-2 seasons playing in the AAC against the lame ducks.
• They leave, our SOS becomes a joke in football and basketball
• Diaco and/or Ollie eventually leave
• We lose out on the recruits we used to sign
• Eventually Big 12 implodes or ACC decides to add #16. By the time that happens, UConn isn't what it is today based on a combination of no money / no competition
• Media says "UConn has really fallen off, what's the point in adding them?" Irony that the reason we fell off, namely that no one would accept us into their conference, is completely lost and never mentioned except here
• UConn eventually returns to the Big East and kills off football

I think that just about sums it up.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

EDIT - story came back, move along.

 

[Santini35]

Worth noting - Chip Brown's tweet of his story from this morning is still posted, but the actual article he wrote no longer exists.

Chip Brown‏@ChipBrownHD
Sources tell http://HornsDigest.com the #Big12 is moving from evaluating toward expansion.

it came back

 

[sub legacy]

Been starting to notice rumblings (likely click bait articles) about Big XII considering an attempt at poaching USC/UCLA from the Pac-12. I've even seen minor implications of Florida State, although that seems highly doubtful considering how locked up ACC presently is. Also read something about Nebraska potentially being interested in going back (also sounds like a stretch).

But purely hypothetical, say they add 6:

BYU
UConn
USC
UCLA
Florida State
Nebraska

Divide them up into North and South divisions (maybe East/West; whatever works).

They'd jump from 10 to 16, have a fistful of big name athletic departments (which I would think solidifies their chances of keeping UT/OU), restore an old member in Nebraska, and pin down three (maybe four) major markets (LA, NY/NE and FL) without settling, all in one fell swoop.

...Sounds beyond "unrealistic."

 

[ASweet3781]

Standby for what should be an interesting Dodd story coming:

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs 19m19 minutes ago
Filed to CBS Sports: Battle lines being drawn in @Big12Conference expansion. Quality teams vs. quality ratings.

 

[Matrim55]

Standby for what should be an interesting Dodd story coming:

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs 19m19 minutes ago
Filed to CBS Sports: Battle lines being drawn in @Big12Conference expansion. Quality teams vs. quality ratings.

I suspect I know which side of the ledger we'll fall on, re: football.

I also suspect a nice, tidy, 8-win season this autumn would help a ton. C'mon Diaco, get it done!

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

I suspect I know which side of the ledger we'll fall on, re: football.

I also suspect a nice, tidy, 8-win season this autumn would help a ton. C'mon Diaco, get it done!

These decisions will all be made before the opening kickoff of the season.

 

[Adios]

The networks are POed UConn is not included. Who else would they be this POed over? UCF?

 

[kobe]

KILL ME. SOMEONE. PLEASE. I BEG YOU.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

The networks are POed UConn is not included. Who else would they be this POed over? UCF?

Far more likely they are POed that it's happening at all.

 

[Sea Goat]

Standby for what should be an interesting Dodd story coming:

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs 19m19 minutes ago
Filed to CBS Sports: Battle lines being drawn in @Big12Conference expansion. Quality teams vs. quality ratings.

Hey ASweet3781 I enjoy reading many of your posts, but could you ditch the avatar? Every time I see that photo of e-f-f-i-n-g Hathaway, I start playing with sharp objects. (Although, I recognize letting on about this might cause a rush by many of you to change avatars to the same damn photo!)

 

[sub legacy]

Far more likely they are POed that it's happening at all.

Welp, these networks (namely ESPN in particular) are a bunch of hypocrites. Before the NCAA ruled to allow the Big XII a championship game without expanding, ESPN analysts were the loudest voices chiding them along into expanding in order to amplify their chances of getting into the playoff. Basically, "why aren't you more like the other four power conferences?"

Now they vote to expand and now ESPN has a problem with it? What changed?

 

[jostar1]

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs · 1h1 hour ago

Filed to CBS Sports: Battle lines being drawn in @Big12Conference expansion. Quality teams vs. quality ratings.


Big 12 expansion battle lines drawn with TV rights holders shaking their fists

 

[amory]

Welp, these networks (namely ESPN in particular) are a bunch of hypocrites. Before the NCAA ruled to allow the Big XII a championship game without expanding, ESPN analysts were the loudest voices chiding them along into expanding in order to amplify their chances of getting into the playoff. Basically, "why aren't you more like the other four power conferences?"

Now they vote to expand and now ESPN has a problem with it? What changed?

Well, the analysts and the decision makers aren't the same people.

 

[sub legacy]

Well, the analysts and the decision makers aren't the same people.

True, I get that. But if ESPN big-wigs had any forethought that a Big XII expansion might affect their pocket books, you'd think they'd put a muzzle on that rhetoric right away.

 

[MattMang23]

From Dodd's article:

"The networks claim the likes of Houston, UConn, UCF and Memphis would "water down" the Big 12, which isn't exactly news"

But the implication is that Cincy wouldn't? Seriously?

I like this one too:

"Activating the pro rata clause, which SBJtermed a "cash grab," rubs "ESPN and Fox the wrong way because any new schools would not carry the profile of most Power Five schools ..."

Except there is one candidate who does... And he even mentioned us as being 48th in the country in revenue... Despite playing in the AAC...

And so the narrative of "UConn is not a Power Five school" is advanced again.

 

[Excalibur]

From Dodd's article:



"Activating the pro rata clause, which SBJtermed a "cash grab," rubs "ESPN and Fox the wrong way because any new schools would not carry the profile of most Power Five schools ..."

Except there is one candidate who does... And he even mentioned us as being 48th in the country in revenue... Despite playing in the AAC...

And so the narrative of "UConn is not a Power Five school" is advanced again.

Add a 1/2 share of B12 revenue and we're right around the top 30.

 

[MattMang23]

Add a 1/2 share of B12 revenue and we're right around the top 30.

Exactly. We are still a mid level P5 team despite being fed for money. We have proven to be successful in a BCS league in the past, why are we treated like the Memphis's of the world? What did we ever do to lose a place at the table? It's astounding. And I'm really confused by it.

Imagine if this predicament ever happened to like Arizona, Indiana, or gulp, Syracuse. Outsiders would be like wtf I don't get it? With us it's like well they're where they belong. Like what???

 

[Adios]

Because we're new to the big boy scene. At least we made it to the big boy scene. Better than the rest of the state schools in the Yankee Conference.

 

[MattMang23]

Because we're new to the big boy scene. At least we made it to the big boy scene. Better than the rest of the state schools in the Yankee Conference.

So Indiana should be rewarded for 90 years of shytty football just because they played 90 years of shytty football? We have had as much success as them in less than 20 years. I'd look at a blind comparison of the two and say wow that second team has accomplished a lot in such a short period of time. I'd like to have them in my league, especially if the rest of their resume included 21 national titles, four of them coming in the second biggest sport in college athletics, their TV numbers and the fact that they are a state public flagship- nothing our other competitors for a big 12 invite can say.

 

[Adios]

So Indiana should be rewarded for 90 years of shytty football just because they played 90 years of shytty football? We have had as much success as them in less than 20 years. I'd look at a blind comparison of the two and say wow that second team has accomplished a lot in such a short period of time. I'd like to have them in my league, especially if the rest of their resume included 21 national titles, four of them coming in the second biggest sport in college athletics, their TV numbers and the fact that they are a state public flagship- nothing our other competitors for a big 12 invite can say.

If Indiana was playing FCS football until recently and won their basketball titles recently, they'd be getting the same or probably uglier looks than us.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Thanks for this, though consensus here is that Flug tweets go in the Non-Key thread,

 

[UConnKev]

Thanks for this, though consensus here is that Flug tweets go in the Non-Key thread,

My fault, I can delete it