Kevin Willard not happy about our return to Big East

[Rocktheworld]

Sooo he’s openly admitted to being scared?

 

[selles]

I'm now expecting that during our game this year Kevin Willard will rip off his mask and reveal himself to be...Frank Haith.

 

[Hoops01]

Of course not. What are effectively mid-major programs like Seton Hall, St Johns, Providence have one more major in their way now. That was the beauty of the New Big East for those schools. They could get credit for winning without having to really beat anybody but Villanova. They got the benefit of being in a legacy league.

would really not take it as SOUR GRAPES, REALLY think its meant to be a sarcastic compliment to the STRENGTH of the Husky program!!

 

[Hoops01]

would really not take it as SOUR GRAPES, REALLY think its meant to be a sarcastic compliment to the STRENGTH of the Husky program!!

I actually laughed about the post, didn't take it seriously! thought it was meant as a JOKE.

 

[JB75]

Besides seton all of the late 80s early 90s (ncaa champ game, terry dehere era) and this recent surge the past few years, thier program has been pretty trash/below average. As much as I hate to admit it (always rep big east) , NC State is definitely a better overall basketball program than SH. not even close

 

[M.S.G.]

CallMeBruce - Seton hall is a much better program than NC State - not even close
Willard is just elevating UConn to a higher level in the recruits eyes by "complaining". If UConn received an invite to a P5, the recruitment in that area would improve for UConn.
There's a renewed big fish in the party.
I like KW but he has to pull up his big boy pants and deal with it - he will be able to get some of the table scraps.
You don't hear Mike Anderson complaining

Really? No. Not really even close in the other direction.

 

[freescooter]

How about growing some onions!! As a famous ex-Seton Hall coach would say..

He was famous. Not very good but famous.

 

[Umami Zen]

He was famous. Not very good but famous.

Ouch.. I hear you but he is a funny dude!! Hoping he does some of our games this year..

 

[freescooter]

Someone is seriously arguing that Seton Hall has a better basketball history than NC State? Probably thinks more people watch Foxsports than ESPN, too.

 

[freescooter]

Ouch.. I hear you but he is a funny dude!! Hoping he does some of our games this year..

I love him as an announcer but really he was not a good basketball coach at he Hall.

 

[BlueMAB]

Is there another poster who is so consistently wrong?

Seton Hall:
1 Final Four, 0 Titles, 3 regular season conference titles, 3 conference tournament titles, 13 NCAAT appearances

NC State:
3 Final Fours, 2 Titles, 13 regular season conference titles, 17 conference tournament titles, 27 NCAAT appearances.

It's not close.

 

[Improviser]

Of course not. What are effectively mid-major programs like Seton Hall, St Johns, Providence have one more major in their way now. That was the beauty of the New Big East for those schools. They could get credit for winning without having to really beat anybody but Villanova. They got the benefit of being in a legacy league.

"Legacy League." Interesting term. Saying they benefited from the label, Big East, without having the mojo of the teams in the old Big East.

So by analogy, it is like you are the great, great, great (ad infinitum) grandson of President Woodrow Wilson who graduated from Princeton. Your academics would barely get you into Community College, but based on "legacy," you get admitted to Princeton.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Someone is seriously arguing that Seton Hall has a better basketball history than NC State? Probably thinks more people watch Foxsports than ESPN, too.

Yeah, i don’t know where that’s coming from. The Hall had that one Championship Game appearance back in the day, Terry Dehere, and that’s about it. They were middle of the road for years in the OBE.

 

[UConnJim]

Is there another poster who is so consistently wrong?

Seton Hall:
1 Final Four, 0 Titles, 3 regular season conference titles, 3 conference tournament titles, 13 NCAAT appearances

NC State:
3 Final Fours, 2 Titles, 13 regular season conference titles, 17 conference tournament titles, 27 NCAAT appearances.

It's not close.

Seton Hall did win the NIT in 1953 when the NIT was a real tournament and went to the NIT Final 4 three times. If you look at recent history, NC State and Seton Hall are pretty similar, although Seton Hall has won 3 conference tournaments since the last time NC State won the ACC Tournament.

Last Conference Tournament Championship:

NC State - 1987

Seton Hall - 2016 (also 1991 and 1993)

NCAA Tournaments since 1988:

NC State - 13

Seton Hall - 13

Last Final Four:

NC State - 1983

Seton Hall - 1989

 

[superjohn]

Seton Hall was excellent all the way back in the 50's with Walter Dukes and Richie Regan where they were the #1 team in the country and won the NIT and they were excellent under PJ in the late 80's early 90's when they should've won the NCAA's. Outside of that there's been a lot of down years, Willard has done a really good job turning them around but there is no argument as to the better program, it's easily NC State.

 

[bendm]

there are plenty of top 150 players in the tri state area for seton hall to keep making the tourney with even if they get the guys we ultimately pass on. myles powell went to prep school in CT and we didnt want him for cryn out loud.

 

[Kitaman]

Sooo he’s openly admitted to being scared?

I see it more as UConn being spotlight hogs to him, taking his shine (of whatever they have). They all had it good, especially not having to fight that hard for notoriety. UConn already coming in with tons of it, (albeit somewhat dimmed, thanks AAC) and he knows it.

So he's more threatened than scared, if you ask me. Screams insecurity.

 

[ucp990411]

In a couple of years his pitch to recruits will be "come to Seton Hall where you can play against the national champion UConn Huskies".

 

[BGesus4]

there are plenty of top 150 players in the tri state area for seton hall to keep making the tourney with even if they get the guys we ultimately pass on. myles powell was from CT and we didnt want him for cryn out loud.

Nah he's from jersey

 

[BlueMAB]

If you look at recent history

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

"NIT Final Fours" are a "thing" now?

Okay, if you must consider them important, NC State has 4 of those as well, one more than Seton Hall.

NC State is 17-13 in the NIT, Seton Hall is 8-18.
NC State is 34-25 in the NCAA, Seton Hall is 16-13.

NC State has:
2x as many national titles (including NIT)
2x as many NCAAT appearances
4x as many conference season titles
6x as many conference tourney titles
2x as many Final Fours (including NIT)
won more games 1,731 - 1,537
higher overall winning percentage .632 - .583
2x as many wins in the NIT
2x as many wins in the NCAA tourney

The only way Seton Hall even looks comparable, is if you cherry pick stats as you've done.

It's not close. Can we put this to bed now?

 

[I Bleed Blue]

Hi Kevin

 

[navery12]

I am not sure why it would matter to him. Seton Hall recruits real thugs that I do not think Hurley would consider so it doesn't impact him as far as recruiting.

 

[bendm]

Nah he's from jersey

was referring to him going to south kent for prep school

 

[RF79]

Now this is one of the things we’ve been missing! Some good ol’ trash talk that gets us fans hyped for the upcoming season!! Let’s go Huskies!!

 

[Bobol]

I said from the beginning that Seton Hall will become UConn's hated rival.