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ebucklewis said:
you guys probably aren't smart enough to understand this - but the season isn't over yet - they still have to go to Duke, UVA, Maryland, Florida State and Pittsburgh tonight..

admittedly, they don't play juggernauts like Houston, UCF, and Rutgers on the road anymore, but somehow they are still managing to survive..
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ebucklewis said:
you guys probably aren't smart enough to understand this - but the season isn't over yet - they still have to go to Duke, UVA, Maryland, Florida State and Pittsburgh tonight..

admittedly, they don't play juggernauts like Houston, UCF, and Rutgers on the road anymore, but somehow they are still managing to survive..
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I understand that the season isn't over yet.

I acknowledge that Syracuse still has to travel and play conference games at Duke, UVA, Maryland, and Florida State.

And I assume your copy editor may have downsized like so many other in this altered journalistic landscape (heck, I'll probably make a human mistake or two), such that you probably intended to accurately convey that the Orange play at Pitt tonight.

And yes, road games in major conferences are often difficult and can yield surprises (see Houston 12/31/13)

Smart enough for you?

Now, to KenPom's initial point that Syracuse historically schedules almost no true away games against ranked out-of-conference opponents, I think it'd be difficult to dispute this. To his next point that the in-conference schedule this year was front-loaded with lesser team, I think again that it'd be difficult to dispute this. That this year thus far is the most extreme example of a Syracuse scheduling tendency that's been noted by others over the years, again it'd be tough to dispute.

How'm I doin?

KenPom's further point that Wichita State's victory at St. Louis represented a greater accomplishment than Syracuse beating Duke at home made for an interesting argument. The idea that even the number one ranked team might be expected to lose one or more of its upcoming games and still be deserving of a number one ranking didn't make the article any less worthwhile to read than if I'd been looking to launch an anti-Orange diatribe.

I think that Syracuse schedules quite well for its fan base and provides a terrific entertainment product for both locals and the fan base that scatters from Onondaga County after graduation. And I think that history has shown that the Syracuse model has had perhaps less success in the post season than its boosters might regularly wish for.

A lot of UConn fans are smart enough to recognize the validity of much of what I've written, and I've already fed myself breakfast. Not sure why you'd spend your morning insulting another team's fans on their message board, but we are often polite enough to thank visitors for their interest in Connecticut basketball, and with that wish I bid you a fine day.
 
CTBasketball said:
Syracuse away OOC games vs ranked teams (since 2001).

2008: at #23 Memphis
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WOW! JB is downright aggressive, even violent, when it comes to getting that booger out of his nose on national TV. However, he just doesn't apply that same hostility towards his yearly schedule.
 
Kitaman said:
I would be surprised if cuse lasts long in the Tourney this year as this can surely haunt them and backfire. Its a new day.
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Who gets further in the tourney: Cuse or Wichita State?
 
Funny how one troll comes to the thread and people feel the need to respond to him vs. commenting about Pomeroy. Needless to say experts are aware of Cuse's favorable schedule and it could bite them if they don't end strong.

Lot's of season remaining. Cuse and Dook are irrelevant for me unless UConn faces them. Most important thing is to take care of business and see how things play out.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Funny how one troll comes to the thread and people feel the need to respond to him vs. commenting about Pomeroy. Needless to say experts are aware of Cuse's favorable schedule and it could bite them if they don't end strong.

Lot's of season remaining. Cuse and Dook are irrelevant for me unless UConn faces them. Most important thing is to take care of business and see how things play out.
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Bingo.

As far as I'm concerned, now that they're out of our conference, Cuse is a footnote in history. They had a nice year with a nice player once.
 
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ebucklewis said:
like I said - every road game in a major conference is tough - even Rutgers and their cute little high school gymnasium was a tough place to play on occasion..
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Yeah but at least its a BB gym only and don't have to play in our FB stadium like you guys do? "Cute little 8G HS gym" or "antiquated Dome in the hinterlands snow capitol"? What a mess!!
 
No one is taking into account JB's rationale for his easy scheduling practices. He's actually doing a big favor for local businesses as all the t-shirts do wonders for the upstate NY screen printing industry.
 
breezy said:
No one is taking into account JB's rationale for his easy scheduling practices. He's actually doing a big favor for local businesses as all the t-shirts do wonders for the upstate NY screen printing industry.
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It is an often over-looked fact but the #2 economic driver in Syracuse is the merchandising of pseudo-accomplishments. #1 relates to legal fees surrounding Helms University sports programs.
 
ebucklewis said:
Baylor, Indiana, Minnesota, Cal, Villanova, St. John's were all OOC - btw - they were 6-0 in those games.
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So, not a single game against a ranked OOC team? The AAC has 5 teams in the top 25, by the way.
 
ebucklewis said:
If you think Duke is over-rated then you know nothing about basketball - right now they are playing as good as anybody in the country - they have the best player in the country and arguably the best coach
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The correct English is "they are playing as well as anybody" not "as good as anybody". Thanks Syracuse for the education.
 
I have always like the Sagarin ratings because they are just based on what you have done as a team. I was mystified to see that Syracuse never reached the top spot in their rankings despite being the unanimous choice by AP. Now I think I understand. Not only do they not schedule tough road games but their strength of schedule is ranked 59th. Of the top 12 teams according to the Sagarins, only Florida has a weaker schedule.
 
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tzznandrew said:
For contrast, can you put up UConn's list of away OOC?
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Not going to promise that this list is perfect, but just glancing back at schedules:

2010-11 @ #12 Texas
2008-2009 @ #7 Gonzaga
2007-2008 @ #8 Indiana
2006-2007 @ #19 LSU
2005-2006 @ #21 Indiana
2004-2005 @ #25 OU
2003-2004 @ #9 UNC
2002-2003 @ #9 OU
2001-2002 @ #10 Arizona
 
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MikeSol12 said:
False, we have the best player in the county.
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I'm still lost on his comment on coach K.

With JC now retired how is it an argument that K isn't the best coach in the country. Who else comes close? I'm not a big fan of K but give the man his due.
 
caw said:
I'm still lost on his comment on coach K.

With JC now retired how is it an argument that K isn't the best coach in the country. Who else comes close? I'm not a big fan of K but give the man his due.
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Totally agree. Nobody in the business is as good as K right now. Nobody else has 4 titles and 8? Final fours
 
tzznandrew said:
For contrast, can you put up UConn's list of away OOC?
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Please someone post this since like 1998. No wonder Syracuse is having a circle jerk over playing Duke.
selles said:
Not going to promise that this list is perfect, but just glancing back at schedules:

2010-11 @ #12 Texas
2008-2009 @ #7 Gonzaga
2007-2008 @ #8 Indiana
2006-2007 @ #19 LSU
2005-2006 @ #21 Indiana
2004-2005 @ #25 OU
2003-2004 @ #9 UNC
2002-2003 @ #9 OU
2001-2002 @ #10 Arizona
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Go back just a few years further and we have a handful more. What this shows is Uconn will play anyone, anywhere, anytime. We don't pussyfoot around with our schedule. Occasionally the OOC teams we schedule home and homes with don't pan out (Washington for example), but every single year we have at least a few P5 home and home games.
 
Well is it any surprise that after all these years all boeheim has is one title? Maybe if they played a good team on the road more often, they may not get bounced early every year in the tourney.
 
ebucklewis said:
you guys probably aren't smart enough to understand this - but the season isn't over yet - they still have to go to Duke, UVA, Maryland, Florida State and Pittsburgh tonight..

admittedly, they don't play juggernauts like Houston, UCF, and Rutgers on the road anymore, but somehow they are still managing to survive..
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Thanks for the education, I guess the rest of us dummies just should keep quiet and let you continue professor
 
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ebucklewis said:
If you think Duke is over-rated then you know nothing about basketball - right now they are playing as good as anybody in the country - they have the best player in the country and arguably the best coach
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Best player in the country professor??????????
You are delusional
 
ebucklewis said:
you guys probably aren't smart enough to understand this - but the season isn't over yet - they still have to go to Duke, UVA, Maryland, Florida State and Pittsburgh tonight..

admittedly, they don't play juggernauts like Houston, UCF, and Rutgers on the road anymore, but somehow they are still managing to survive..
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Knuckleheadlewis
 
CTBasketball said:
Syracuse away OOC games vs ranked teams (since 2001).

2008: at #23 Memphis
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There is no way this is correct. You must have missed a few games.

Seriously, that information can't be possible.

The only thing making me believe it's true is that dickwad hasn't posted since you put that up.....and Memphis was barely in the top 25 LOL

When a coach doesn't allow men to play defense like men, I can't be surprised that he won't schedule a manly OOC game on the road either.
 
The Viking said:
There is no way this is correct. You must have missed a few games.

Seriously, that information can't be possible.

The only thing making me believe it's true is that dickwad hasn't posted since you put that up.....and Memphis was barely in the top 25 LOL

When a coach doesn't allow men to play defense like men, I can't be surprised that he won't schedule a manly OOC game on the road either.
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Prob just gonna get flamed for this, but Syracuse has played many games that while aren't "true" road games, were in the other teams back yard. Last year, they played #20 SDSU in San Diego, and were the only team to beat Arkansas at home. They also have played #10 Florida in St. Petersberg, and #22 Kansas in Kansas City, to go along with a slew of neutral court and MSG games against ranked opponents. Syracuse is by no means playing an ooc juggernaut schedule, but there are many teams who do the same and don't get called out for it nearly as much.

For reference, Duke did not play a single true road ooc game this year, and played all of 1 last year (at davidson).
 
pepband99 said:
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/the_invisible_hand_of_home_court_advantage



Finally, someone calls this out. Syracuse does this nearly yearly, but this year's might be the worst yet.
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Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst3h
A hoop stat I stumbled onto this morning: Through its first 18 games of the last 5 seasons, Syracuse has gone 88-2. Yeah, 88 and 2
Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst2h
Non-conf Syracuse wins in that 88-2 stretch: UNC, Fla, Mich St., Mich, NC State, Memphis, Baylor, Indiana, SD State. Ark, Nova - and more!
Do some research
 
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