Kansas

[Huskymagic]

At this point, it would be smart of the PAC 12 to add Kansas and Oklahoma State to put the final knockout to the Big 12.

Kansas and Ok State have plenty of value and growth potential in all sports including football. Both schools are better than the bottom schools of both the PAC 12 and ACC and more valuable.

As commissioner of PAC 12, I would definitely expand with these 2 schools.

 

[bendm]

As commissioner of PAC 12, I would definitely expand with these 2 schools.

but you aren't and the real commissioner of the PAC12 did not and it was down to TT and TCU not KU.

 

[Huskymagic]

but you aren't and the real commissioner of the PAC12 did not and it was down to TT and TCU not KU.

Texas Tech and TCU are nowhere near as valuable as Kansas or Ok State in the present. In the present setup and with the additions, the Big 12 has the ability to persist as a power conference in all sports. Good for them.

Take Kansas and Oklahoma State away and they become the AAC.

The Big East needs to be proactive in having talks with Gonzaga in the short term and Kansas in the medium term to the Big East.

 

[John]

Texas Tech and TCU are nowhere near as valuable as Kansas or Ok State in the present. In the present setup and with the additions, the Big 12 has the ability to persist as a power conference in all sports. Good for them.

Take Kansas and Oklahoma State away and they become the AAC.

The Big East needs to be proactive in having talks with Gonzaga in the short term and Kansas in the medium term to the Big East.

Kansas is even less of a good fit in the current Big East than we are.

 

[bendm]

Texas Tech and TCU are nowhere near as valuable as Kansas or Ok State in the present.

i'm sorry but you are just flat out wrong. if KU and OK st were more valuable than the PAC would have added them. instead it came down to TT and TCU. but please continue to profess your nonsense.

 

[gtcam]

Kansas in the NBE????
Boy, can't wait until the season starts so we can move away from these insipid discussions

 

[Fishy]

There were rumors for years of Texas going to the Pac-12, and/or to the B1G… and bringing someone with them… but never imagined OU, and not to the SEC.

Oklahoma and Texas were always going to be a package deal.

 

[Fishy]

At this point, it would be smart of the PAC 12 to add Kansas and Oklahoma State to put the final knockout to the Big 12.

Kansas and Ok State have plenty of value and growth potential in all sports including football. Both schools are better than the bottom schools of both the PAC 12 and ACC and more valuable.

As commissioner of PAC 12, I would definitely expand with these 2 schools.

This explains why you are not the commissioner of the Pac 12. They do not add any value to the Pac 12 which is why they are not going to the Pac 12.

i'm sorry but you are just flat out wrong. if KU and OK st were more valuable than the PAC would have added them. instead it came down to TT and TCU. but please continue to profess your nonsense.

This explains why you are not the commissioner of the Pac 12, but you’re closer to it than the other guy.

 

[HuskyHawk]

i'm sorry but you are just flat out wrong. if KU and OK st were more valuable than the PAC would have added them. instead it came down to TT and TCU. but please continue to profess your nonsense.

According to whom? TT is indeed the single west Texas school playing FBS football, so is arguably southwest. But it’s the bottom half of the remaining Big 12 teams and TCU is arguably rock bottom. Dead last. TCU is definitely not a target. Your suggestion is the nonsense.

 

[alphasigko]

Sorry, typo. Should have read as: "Adjusted Efficiency Margin"

Adjusted Efficiency Margin is the final numerical metric that Ken Pomeroy uses to rank the quality of a team. It combines the adjusted offense and defense numbers (points per possession adjusted by opponent), tempo, luck, and strength of schedule. See here: 2021 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings

Thanks! It's nice to learn something new!

 

[AZHuskiePop]

but you aren't and the real commissioner of the PAC12 did not and it was down to TT and TCU not KU.

If TT comes as a surprise think again
It’s a public highly rated research University whose in West Texas Much of West Texas is closer to Arizona than Dallas or Houston.

 

[BapeKidd88]

The Big 12 will do better than the "old" AAC did, mostly because the bottom of the league are larger schools with larger fan bases. But they are going to see their TV contracts and primetime slots cut dramatically. If you want to get fired up for Iowa State vs UCF at 9PM on ESPNU, go for it. Because that's the future for the Big12.

Are you serious?
With all of the basketball tradition and cred that league has in it, a "Iowa State vs UCF" matchup is the last thing on their minds.

Look at all of the stinker matchups and small fanbases in the BE 4.0. (or NBE, whatever jargon you prefer)

The Big 12 has basically just let in Pitt (which was the BE 2.0), with the city schools Cincinnati and Houston (combined with a National fanbase in BYU and one of the bigger emerging fanbases in UCF)

Let's bookmark this thread. It's my opinion that UCF is going to surge in all-sports. Pope has BYU on the doorstep. Sampson has already broken down the door. Miller was the perfect choice for Cincinnati. Of course that's just my opinion.

 

[bendm]

According to whom? TT is indeed the single west Texas school playing FBS football, so is arguably southwest. But it’s the bottom half of the remaining Big 12 teams and TCU is arguably rock bottom. Dead last. TCU is definitely not a target. Your suggestion is the nonsense.

this isnt my suggestion it was from Kliavkoff but you can look it up yourself. you cant see how adding 2 texas schools, including one in dallas, would be the most appealing for them in terms of recruiting territory?

 

[bendm]

This explains why you are not the commissioner of the Pac 12, but you’re closer to it than the other guy.

again i wasnt stating my opinion but repeating what i'd heard/read

 

[HuskyHawk]

this isnt my suggestion it was from Kliavkoff but you can look it up yourself. you cant see how adding 2 texas schools, including one in dallas, would be the most appealing for them in terms of recruiting territory?

Recruiting territory isn’t particularly relevant to expansion, unless you mean paying undergrads, that’s where the money is. TCU is a highly religious school. 9000 undergrads. It’s a good school but not really the PAC profile. TT has 33k undergrads. It attracts quite a few students from CA and Colorado. I don’t expect the PAC to look at any private religiously affiliated institutions, so that also includes Baylor. The PAC has zero chance of being meaningful in DFW, but they can take some territory in west Texas.

Of course they said expansion is off, so this is all moot for now.

 

[Hoophound]

Recruiting territory isn’t particularly relevant to expansion, unless you mean paying undergrads, that’s where the money is. TCU is a highly religious school. 9000 undergrads. It’s a good school but not really the PAC profile. TT has 33k undergrads. It attracts quite a few students from CA and Colorado. I don’t expect the PAC to look at any private religiously affiliated institutions, so that also includes Baylor. The PAC has zero chance of being meaningful in DFW, but they can take some territory in west Texas.

Of course they said expansion is off, so this is all moot for now.

I think recruiting territory is critical in expansion. It ranks second only to TV value. Look where football players come from and where the B12 expanded to. OH, FL and TX are tops for recruiting and then they took BYU for market value due to the national fanbase.

You can see the issue in UConn's basketball recruiting. We are a much hotter commodity recruiting the Northeast as a Big East school than we were in the AAC. Pitt can't recruit the Northeast for crap playing in the ACC. You need to play games in the good recruiting territories to get the best players.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I think recruiting territory is critical in expansion. It ranks second only to TV value. Look where football players come from and where the B12 expanded to. OH, FL and TX are tops for recruiting and then they took BYU for market value due to the national fanbase.

You can see the issue in UConn's basketball recruiting. We are a much hotter commodity recruiting the Northeast as a Big East school than we were in the AAC. Pitt can't recruit the Northeast for crap playing in the ACC. You need to play games in the good recruiting territories to get the best players.

I'm not sure we are that far apart on this. UConn has been recruiting New England and NJ well in the Big East. Are we playing any more games there, really? Not many. But we are playing games those kids will watch. UConn vs Xavier is a game a kid in NJ sees, while UConn vs USF he doesn't see. Is a Providence game key to recruiting Karaban? No. I don't think USC, Washington or Oregon need any help recruiting Texas. TCU isn't going to cause their games to be seen by many Texas kids, but Oklahoma State will, because it's more likely to be on TV in more of Texas than TCU is. But the actual location of the school, I don't think that matters much. Playing South Florida doesn't bring the FLA eyeballs that playing UF does.

Central Florida does probably help the Big XII in Florida, because it's a good enough program and has a huge alumni base. But a tiny religious school in Fort Worth isn't helping Cal recruit DFW very much. The Pac has a unique problem in that too many of its games simply aren't seen by anybody east of the Rockies. Not sure what they will do to solve that.

 

[BapeKidd88]

The Big 12 is the home to James Naismith's Rules of Basketball.

ESPN did a great 30 for 30 on Kansas bringing back the rules to Allen Fieldhouse.

That has to be a hell of a road trip.

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[Chief00]

The reality is football drives the bus and it’s a bus we aren’t on.