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kibblesnbits said:
Not necessarily. A player that has seen some or all of the “finalists” backing away would be incented to “reopen recruitment” as a face-saving measure.
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why would staff back off if both thomas and jackson (the only other wing targets left) arent locks to commit? because they definitely arent
 
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bendm said:
why would staff back off if both thomas and jackson (the only other wing targets left) arent locks to commit? because they definitely arent
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I didn’t say they did. I just meant that you can’t assume “reopening recruitment” means the player changed his mind. Each school’s preferences can be fluid as well, so if a player isn’t comfortable where he fits on their priority lists, he may reopen things to give himself more options.
 
This is disappointing, it seemed like Kadary was one of the guys we had a really good shot with. Feeling uneasy about Jackson, Thomas, Lane, and Big Cliff.

It's interesting because last fall we all knew our 5 main targets (Bouk, Gaffney, Akok, Precious, and Kofi) and really zeroed in on them hard. This fall it is a little more uncertain who the staff is focusing on, and who they are just feeling out.

Not time to panic obviously, just saying that it is a little less certain as far as who we are going after hard.
 
superjohn said:
In the past few days I'm officially worried about this class.
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Especially after last year's initial successes with Bouknight and Gaffney. They got everyone here excited that our strategically constructed staff will be strong in NE, Tri-State area and DelMarVa.

The staff has done a great job with player development, and the Big East awaits next year, so the momentum should continue. First commitments were mid to late September last year so we should soon see how this year looks.
 
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kansashusky said:
It’s september, geezus.
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It's not yet equinox, and I saw two pre-lit trees, a giant Frosty, and a very sparkly, red $599 sleigh on display at Costco yesterday.

Some people like to get a jump on being "officially worried." Maybe he's a victim of this Sunday's Mindfulness workshop being for women only.
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
It's not yet equinox, and I saw two pre-lit trees, a giant Frosty, and a very sparkly, red $599 sleigh on display at Costco yesterday.

Some people like to get a jump on being "officially worried." Maybe he's a victim of this Sunday's Mindfulness workshop being for women only.
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Stores have 2.5 seasons: summer, half Halloween and Christmas. They can’t make money on summer anymore so welcome to December!
 
Why are we not sticking the landing on these kids?

Because we've been terrible for three years. Yes, we're in the Big East but so is DePaul. The BE helps get us into more conversations, but we've gotta have some results on the court.

We'll get there, but again - rebuilds don't happen in 2 years. Too much damage was done, particularly due to our performance on the court, but lack of platform, etc. I think people are starting to see the real effects of that right now.

I'm still optimistic though - I think this class should be pretty good. Just keep moving that needle forward. Get back into the Big East and get a post season appearance in or two, and you'll start to see the big dogs come around.
 
This is a silly discussion. He didn't "next" us -- he nexted his entire list of finalists. So the thought that this reflects mostly on us, and not him, makes little sense. The two most likely scenarios are (i) his recruiting is going better than he thought, and he's now gotten interest from what he perceives to be the UK, Duke, Kansas level of schools, or (ii) something has happened to him on or off the court that makes his prior finalists not really interested. But the whining that this reflects on us when he threw us out as part of a group doesn't make sense.
 
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Really liked this kid's game. Shame. Curious to see what direction the staff goes now that it looks like we appear to be out on our top 3 wings...
 
We used to have up and down years recruiting all the time. These players coming in might be seeing a crowded field. One year up, one down.

That being said, if this all goes kablooey, I would just focus on bringing in developmental bigs.
 
So to recap for 2020

Cam Thomas - Waiting to try and set an OV - recent LSU momentum
Andre Jackson - I don't think anyone knows what is going on here.
Niels Lane - Heavy Florida lean
Cliff - Early in the process - taking several visits.
Kadary - Weird next out of nowhere
Cardwell - OV is planned for October
Jaylen - Top 7 no OV
Javonte Brown-Ferguson - We watched him with no visit scheduled.

Woof.

While I think we have some decent recruiters on the staff. None of them, outside of Tom Moore, landed top 50 talent at their old jobs, and Tom hasn't recruited the level he has now since he was back at UConn. The hope was taking a job closer to their preferred recruiting grounds would help (it is not easy getting kids to Minnesota and Nebraska), but so far doesn't really seem to be the case. If you look at last years class, we lucked out on Bouknight because of his injury, so we didn't have a ton of competition. Jalen was outside the top 100. I will say they did a wonderful job getting Akok (props to Tom). Richie was a top 100 prospect but was trending down.

Obviously I am not giving up on the staff or this class, but it felt like we were in a much better spot last year and we missed several targets on the back end of that class, and we haven't had the best start to this class. It will be interesting to see what happens.
 
businesslawyer said:
This is a silly discussion. He didn't "next" us -- he nexted his entire list of finalists. So the thought that this reflects mostly on us, and not him, makes little sense. The two most likely scenarios are (i) his recruiting is going better than he thought, and he's now gotten interest from what he perceives to be the UK, Duke, Kansas level of schools, or (ii) something has happened to him on or off the court that makes his prior finalists not really interested. But the whining that this reflects on us when he threw us out as part of a group doesn't make sense.
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Whoa there with the common sense counselor. This board can't handle the truth.
 
Was it like Tremont Waters, they have academic programs at Western Kentucky and LSU that are unavilable here
 
kansashusky said:
I will say they did a wonderful job getting Akok
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shouldnt we almost always get the elite in-state prospect(s) if the staff wants them? CT isn't exactly a recruiting hot bed. if we missed on tre mitchell and akok in the same year we'd be looking back on the 2019 class a lot differently
 
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bendm said:
shouldnt we almost always get the elite in-state prospect(s) if the staff wants them? CT isn't exactly a recruiting hot bed. if we missed on tre mitchell and akok in the same year we'd be looking back on the 2019 class a lot differently
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So don’t give them credit if they get CT recruits, but discredit them when they don’t. Got it.
 
bendm said:
shouldnt we almost always get the elite in-state prospect(s) if the staff wants them? CT isn't exactly a recruiting hot bed. if we missed on tre mitchell and akok in the same year we'd be looking back on the 2019 class a lot differently
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Akok is from Sudan then moved to NH and finally played a couple years of high school ball at Putnam. It's not like he grew up a UConn fan in CT. KO screwed up that relationship but again I credit the staff to repair the damage and sign him.
 
bendm said:
shouldnt we almost always get the elite in-state prospect(s) if the staff wants them? CT isn't exactly a recruiting hot bed. if we missed on tre mitchell and akok in the same year we'd be looking back on the 2019 class a lot differently
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This is ridiculous. Sometimes kids will cut uconn BECAUSE it's close to home.

You're saying the staff shouldn't be getting credit for locking up in-state players, but criticized when they don't. Let me repeat: this is ridiculous.

Do you think before you post?
 
bendm said:
shouldnt we almost always get the elite in-state prospect(s) if the staff wants them? CT isn't exactly a recruiting hot bed. if we missed on tre mitchell and akok in the same year we'd be looking back on the 2019 class a lot differently
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Also, akok isn't from CT. So there's that
 
husky429 said:
Do you think before you post?
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no need to get aggressive. this isnt a personal affront to you. do you not think it's more impressive landing an elite talent that cant even find CT on a map, as opposed to one that went to highschool here?

also you were calling out the staff a couple weeks ago and saying they need to reevaluate their recruiting strategy and/or be replaced. i've never said anything like that. super hypocritical. so theres that too.
 
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husky429 said:
This is ridiculous. Sometimes kids will cut uconn BECAUSE it's close to home.

You're saying the staff shouldn't be getting credit for locking up in-state players, but criticized when they don't. Let me repeat: this is ridiculous.

Do you think before you post?
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Any recruit you target and get is a win. It’s very competitive out there even without the Pay Schools factor.
 
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bendm said:
no need to get aggressive. this isnt a personal affront to you. do you not think it's more impressive landing an elite talent that cant even find CT on a map, as opposed to one that went to highschool here?
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No it's not more impressive
 
navery12 said:
No it's not more impressive
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i dont wanna argue about this when we're just starting to play nice, but whens the last time a kid from memphis didn't stay home, even before penny got there? if MSU or Michgan lose an in-state kid to IU or OSU, or visa versa, all hell breaks lose. North Carolina kids go to school in North Carolina. this isnt a new phenomenon
 
bendm said:
no need to get aggressive. this isnt a personal affront to you. do you not think it's more impressive landing an elite talent that cant even find CT on a map, as opposed to one that went to highschool here?

also you were calling out the staff a couple weeks ago and saying they need to reevaluate their recruiting strategy and/or be replaced. i've never said anything like that. super hypocritical. so theres that too.
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It isn't any more or less impressive. Talent is talent.

I did call out the staff and might continue to. I will stick by the fact that if we have a sub-par recruiting class in 2020 (ie. not getting Cam or Cliff), and they can't do better in 2021, there is going to need to be staff turnover. That's how the business works. It's still September 2019--this is all hypothetical. The likelihood is that something shakes out.

It's not hypocritical whatsoever. I don't think you know what hypocritical means. It would be hypocritical if I said: "you cannot criticize the staff." I would never say that. What I did say is that your criticism of this staff is ridiculous and illogical, because it is.

You have yet to explain why it is "expected" we get the best in-state recruits every year. It's about the talent that enters the program, not where it comes from. TALENT IS TALENT. The coaches find out very quickly if a kid isn't interested in staying near home (see: Mustapha Heron) and don't recruit them. Then guys like you--yes, you have done this--complain that we aren't recruiting a local prospect.
 
husky429 said:
This is ridiculous. Sometimes kids will cut uconn BECAUSE it's close to home.

You're saying the staff shouldn't be getting credit for locking up in-state players, but criticized when they don't. Let me repeat: this is ridiculous.

Do you think before you post?
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I was at a conference and met a guy who played for Indiana football. He said he had zero interest in IU because of how close it was to home...until it was by far the best school to offer him a scholarship.

I felt the same way about UConn to be honest (who wants to go to college with a bunch of people from high school?)

So i can get why UConn doesn’t get all the local kids. What hurts more is when good players say UConn was the dream school and still don’t end up committing.
 
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husky429 said:
you have yet to explain why it is "expected" we get the best in-state recruits every year.
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see above. and your excuse about being a hyprocite is BS. dont give me a 9th grade lecture on semantics. you insulted me for being unfairly critical when youve done it yourself. obviously i'm not expecting every kid to be a prisoner of their own backyard but akok and tre were clearly interested. those guys need to be closed.
 
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With 2* athletes, childhood allegiances matter. With 4* and 5* recruits, this is a business decision, it's what choice is going to progress their careers. They look nationally and have a lot of mentors/advisors helping them calculate all the angles. Being the state school may guarantee a look, but you still have to make a convincing case that you're the best school for them. If you can make that case to an in-state recruit, you can do it to an out-of-state recruit. So the win percentage isn't necessarily that different.
 
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