Juwan Durham update??

[KemBuckets21]

Ok so maybe "underachieved" was the word I was looking for. We all thought he would have been better.

"underachieved" and "unforgettable" have extremely different meanings. Agree with your second sentence though.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Not to further derail the thread, but I think a lot of our view of Hamilton is colored by the fact that he left well before he was prepared to do so, and before he accomplished much of note at a team level.

If he stays for a 3rd year, earns 1st team all-AAC and 2nd or 3rd team All-American, and we go on to win the AAC regular season and tournament, get a #3 seed and make the Elite 8, then I think we look back on his 2nd year more charitably as a season of learning and growth.

As it is, he curtailed that process, leaves UConn with an incomplete legacy.

In a vacuum, for a sophomore he had a pretty good year. For a sophomore who left after 2 years, he had a pretty mediocre year and a fairly forgettable career on a team level.

 

[Huskyforlife]

The middle ground has to be somewhere between he was a good player who underachieved.

 

[ctchamps]

Usually don't side with @JimOllie and I might catch flack for this but I somewhat agree about his assessment of DHam. However, "unforgettable" is probably the wrong word to describe his career.

DHam was an incredible facilitator and rebounder, but often times was frustratingly inconsistent, lackadaisical and seemingly disinterested (perhaps why he decided to just forego his last 2 seasons despite everyone telling him to return. Also makes sense when factoring in the rumors that he had his mind made up before the season that it was his final year in a husky uniform no matter what). His jump shot, handle, and athleticism were all mediocre. Still, though, DHam was great numerous times at UConn and was a huge reason for some of our successes this season, especially late in the season (ie. Cincy - he was fricken incredible).

DHam is a great basketball talent, but it never came to fruition like we all thought it would and for that reason I'd say he underachieved here. But still, to definitively say a freshman who you haven't seen play a lick of live basketball will "definitely" out perform DHam and what he was able to accomplish at UConn is a bit naive.

Somewhere when this thread left the rails apparently the word unforgettable took on a new meaning.

 

[KembaStepback]

I hate to further bring this thread off track - but just to make a point here. I hope JimOllie is right. I hope Vance has a great legacy at UConn. I didn't see Hamilton as a problem. Did he underachieve a bit as a soph? Yes. However he did certainly improve. His rebounding and assist numbers were good, even though his scoring wasn't great. He GREATLY improved as a FT shooter, which was a huge plus. (Improved 20% in this area!) One flaw he didn't correct was his 3 point shooting. He actually was slightly worse as a soph. To me, his defense was inconsistent at best, and when watching him on offense, I thought he looked weak. If he hit the weight room and also his 3 point shot, I think he'd have come back and had a MONSTER season. Obviously that's all moot. The other interesting stat I noticed is that he only took 1 more shot per game as a soph. I feel like that's a little low. The reason for this is that the team loaded up with post-grad vets in Gibbs and Miller who demanded more shots. Ive said it before and this will be the last time I say it...but Hamilton really would have benefitted from one more year in Storrs. I wish him the best of luck with the draft process.

As for Vance - to be honest all I really know about him is that he's a shooter. I know he's an IQ guy and he's crafty. I don't know how that translates to the college game. So I cant really speak about him.

As far as legacy goes...Hamilton's legacy is winning us an AAC Tournament in which he was named Tournament MOP. Which is nothing to sneeze at. I know we're used to winning National Titles, but winning your conference tournament is an amazing honor.

Last years team got unlucky. They started playing their best ball in March. Won their conference tournament then got very unlucky to run into a loaded Kansas team.

 

[Leebo]

Who cares? Enough of the personal witch hunts. Does this constant attacking of him make you feel like a better person? Should we monitor all your posts too to see how accurate they are a year later? What's your ratio for accuracy?

A poster made a bad prediction (happens all the time)
Someone pointed it out
Poster indignantly declared he never made the prediction
Someone pointed out they had made it

Scandalous

 

[ctchamps]

A poster made a bad prediction (happens all the time)
Someone pointed it out
Poster indignantly declared he never made the prediction
Someone pointed out they had made it

Scandalous

Summarized this way I'd agree with your sarcasm. Reading many other responses directed at this poster in other threads and the pattern takes on a different meaning.

 

[Paesano]

Summarized this way I'd agree with your sarcasm. Reading many other responses directed at this poster in other threads and the pattern takes on a different meaning.

Exactly! There are some people here who, once they get into a pissing match with someone, they basically stalk that person forever. They are usually inflammatory. The stalkee is usually a powder keg. After the first explosion, the flame stalks the explosive. Both are to blame but, honestly, the flame is the one that keeps the bad blood flowing. Reminds me a lot of the Calipari-Calhoun relationship of the mid-90s onward. Calhoun was the powder keg, in case that isn't clear. Interestingly, the flamers on here are often squid supporters/apologists.

 

[UChusky916]

A poster made a bad prediction (happens all the time)
Someone pointed it out
Poster indignantly declared he never made the prediction
Someone pointed out they had made it

Scandalous

I find it more interesting that every time Jim Ollie says something dumb (quite frequently) that remarkably Bear JWS seems to come to his rescue and say 'quit it with the bashing'. Then Jim Ollie disappears until his next idiotic off-track comment which derails another thread. I'd be curious to see the ip address of each... especially since BearJWS and JimOllie both have their profiles set so that you can't view their post history. Seems like when Jim catches too much flak for his asinine posts Bear always comes to the rescue within minutes. How sweet.

 

[BearJWS]

I find it more interesting that every time Jim Ollie says something dumb (quite frequently) that remarkably Bear JWS seems to come to his rescue and say 'quit it with the bashing'. Then Jim Ollie disappears until his next idiotic off-track comment which derails another thread. I'd be curious to see the ip address of each... especially since BearJWS and JimOllie both have their profiles set so that you can't view their post history. Seems like when Jim catches too much flak for his asinine posts Bear always comes to the rescue within minutes. How sweet.

I'm a 47 year old man who hates Internet bullies like you. I don't know JimOllie at all, but I do notice you take every opportunity to bully him constantly. I also notice your posts are mostly full of hatred, without any substance. Please do try to form an objective opinion for once, instead of your usual slander...

 

[UChusky916]

I'm a 47 year old man who hates Internet bullies like you. I don't know JimOllie at all, but I do notice you take every opportunity to bully him constantly. I also notice your posts are mostly full of hatred, without any substance. Please do try to form an objective opinion for once, instead of your usual slander...

Hard to have discussions of substance in the offseason, outside of conjecture. When any poster spews garbage, derails threads, and then defends their blatant lies, they deserve to get called out. It just so happens that Jim Ollie does that more than most on this board. It doesn't mean we're personally attacking him. And you're always there to defend his horrific posts.

Anyways... back to Juwan...

 

[BearJWS]

Hard to have discussions of substance in the offseason, outside of conjecture. When any poster spews garbage, derails threads, and then defends their blatant lies, they should get called out... and rightfully so. It just so happens that Jim Ollie does that more than most on this board. And you're always there to defend his horrific posts.

Anyways... back to Juwan...

You constantly attack him without any substance at all. Please do share an informative comment you made. He's excited for our team. All you do is spew negativity post after post. Did he dump you? Stand you up at the prom? Leave you at the alter? Blatant lies, really? I defend him a lot less than you attack him. I'm just tired of your obnoxious posts & the other cronies. Try to post something positive & informative... Just once! Grow up!

 

[JimHurley]

You constantly attack him without any substance at all. Please do share an informative comment you made. He's excited for our team. All you do is spew negativity post after post. Did he dump you? Stand you up at the prom? Leave you at the alter? Blatant lies, really? I defend him a lot less than you attack him. I'm just tired of your obnoxious posts & the other cronies. Try to post something positive & informative... Just once! Grow up!

Don't worry too much about it. I have some of the thickest skin on earth. But yeah, uchusky916, 7774, and bigmccrackern pretty much take every opportunity possible to attack me. Let them be childish

 

[7774]

I find it more interesting that every time Jim Ollie says something dumb (quite frequently) that remarkably Bear JWS seems to come to his rescue and say 'quit it with the bashing'. Then Jim Ollie disappears until his next idiotic off-track comment which derails another thread. I'd be curious to see the ip address of each... especially since BearJWS and JimOllie both have their profiles set so that you can't view their post history. Seems like when Jim catches too much flak for his asinine posts Bear always comes to the rescue within minutes. How sweet.

I've just assumed it's his mom for a while now. The guy is trashing Dham in this thread, yet Bear thinks he's super positive? Riiiiight.

 

[BearJWS]

Don't worry too much about it. I have some of the thickest skin on earth. But yeah, uchusky916, 7774, and bigmccrackern pretty much take every opportunity possible to attack me. Let them be childish

You're good with me! I don't always agree with you (ie. Drummond, ;-), but I agree with your opinion on Gilbert & Durham. They have potential to be very special players for us, both are 5 Star players when healthy & at the top of their game. V. Jackson intrigues me as a floor spreader, maybe not defensively, but he definitely seems like a great team player for what I've seen. I'm not sure why people want to post negative posts for an opinion, especially when their opinions are just spews of hate & nothing to support it. I'm ok with what you post. Nevermind the crazy haters!!! Keep posting! Some of us like open dialog.

 

[BearJWS]

I've just assumed it's his mom for a while now. The guy is trashing Dham in this thread, yet Bear thinks he's super positive? Riiiiight.

Where did I trash DHam??? I actually liked DHam & think he's being bashed here on the latest threads. Yeah, I too think he needed an extra year, but I'm not going to railroad him like others. Is your life so miserable to attack someone for forming an opinion? Can you post an objective opinion??? Or is this what you do best? Oops, I already know this is what you do best... My bad.

 

[7774]

Where did I trash DHam??? I actually liked DHam & think he's being bashed here on the latest threads. Yeah, I too think he needed an extra year, but I'm not going to railroad him like others. Is your life so miserable to attack someone for forming an opinion? Can you post an objective opinion??? Or is this what you do best? Oops, I already know this is what you do best... My bad.

JimOllie is trashing Dham.

 

[JimHurley]

JimOllie is trashing Dham.

I just said a few posts ago that he by no means had a bad career at UConn. I simply said that he underachieved and that Vance would leave with a better legacy. Move on now.

 

[BearJWS]

JimOllie is trashing Dham.

Is he trashing DHam more than you're trashing him??? He thinks DHam underachieved, big deal. There's a new thread on it, posted today. People are all over the place on it. Yet when JO says his opinion he gets so much hate, yet others, not so much. Some others are basically repeating what he's said in that thread & getting likes for it. Think about it...

 

[UChusky916]

You constantly attack him without any substance at all. Please do share an informative comment you made. He's excited for our team. All you do is spew negativity post after post. Did he dump you? Stand you up at the prom? Leave you at the alter? Blatant lies, really? I defend him a lot less than you attack him. I'm just tired of your obnoxious posts & the other cronies. Try to post something positive & informative... Just once! Grow up!

1) I dont attack Jim Ollie without substance. His posts are almost always derailing threads (point proven right now). And yes, he spews blatant lies on this board. Each time he's been 'attacked' posters are only calling him out for his garbage posts in the first place. And, in fact, he invites the criticism by being the first one to resort to name calling in the first place:

• In the Justin Jackson thread, he said he 'hopes people feel stupid for doubting him' and called everyone 'haters' after Jackson committed to Maryland, which isn't even what he posted he heard from his 'source'.
• Another instance is @7774 calling Jim Ollie out earlier in this thread for what he posted about Cassell. Jim Ollie dug himself deeper, continued to lie, and called 7774 a 'CLOWN'. @7774 simply quoted his post and proved him wrong after being called a clown.

Jim Ollie reaps what he sows.​

2) I make lots of informative posts, check my history (unfortunately, I can't say the same for you because I can't check your post history since you disabled that).

3) Get off your high horse by trying to defend someone on an internet forum... he's responsible for what he posts. You're not high and mighty by defending him. If people continually gang up on him for crap posts, chances are he's a crappy poster... it's not rocket science.


I like coming to this board for factual and informative discussions about UConn basketball. The simple fact of the matter is that Jim Ollie deteriorates the quality of this message board because of his off-track conjecture (always derailing threads), baseless/opinionated player attacks (on Hamilton/Drummond), and lies (which he's been repeatedly called out for).

You're defending a poster who basically trashes our guys who leave early and claim they 'underachieved' -- in Drummond and Hamilton -- and you're telling me he's 'excited for our team' ?!? I called him out on the Drummond/Hamilton threads because in actually those teams as a whole were disjointed and had nothing to personal performance by those guys. They stuffed stat sheets when here... productivity was far from lacking from those players. So yeah, I call him out for that unfair criticism of our players, and I provided substance in doing so, which is more than you can say for his baseless posts or your 'STOP, BE NICE' posts.

 

[mauconnfan]

Jim Ollie's fine, as Bear said don't always agree with him and on occasion says something off the wall. Who doesn't? Anyone who thinks all of their posts are ways informative and of high value to the board are whacked anyway.

Place is a bit out of control as of late actually, a lot of fans/posters who think their don't stink. Attacks rather than disagreements. Get a grip!

 

[Rocktheworld]

 

[BearJWS]

1) I dont attack Jim Ollie without substance. His posts are almost always derailing threads (point proven right now). And yes, he spews blatant lies on this board. Each time he's been 'attacked' posters are only calling him out for his garbage posts in the first place. And, in fact, he invites the criticism by being the first one to resort to name calling in the first place:

• In the Justin Jackson thread, he said he 'hopes people feel stupid for doubting him' and called everyone 'haters' after Jackson committed to Maryland, which isn't even what he posted he heard from his 'source'.
• Another instance is @7774 calling Jim Ollie out earlier in this thread for what he posted about Cassell. Jim Ollie dug himself deeper, continued to lie, and called 7774 a 'CLOWN'. @7774 simply quoted his post and proved him wrong after being called a clown.

Jim Ollie reaps what he sows.​

2) I make lots of informative posts, check my history (unfortunately, I can't say the same for you because I can't check your post history since you disabled that).

3) Get off your high horse by trying to defend someone on an internet form... he's responsible for what he posts. You're not high and mighty by defending him. If people continually gang up on him for crap posts, chances are he's a crappy poster... it's not rocket science.


I like coming to this board for factual and informative discussions about UConn basketball. The simple fact of the matter is that Jim Ollie deteriorates the quality of this message board because of his off-track conjecture (always derailing threads), baseless, opinionated player attacks (on Hamilton/Drummond), and lies (which he's been repeatedly called out for).

You're defending a poster who basically trashes our guys who leave early and claim they 'underachieved' -- in Drummond and Hamilton -- and you're telling me he's 'excited for our team' ?!? I called him out on the Drummond/Hamilton threads because in actually those teams as a whole were disjointed and had nothing to personal performance by those guys. They stuffed stat sheets when here... productivity was far from lacking from those players. So yeah, I call him out for that unfair criticism of our players, and I provided substance in doing so, which is more to say than his baseless posts.

First off, you're a stalker if you need to check people's prior posts so frequently. I suggest seeking professional help for that. Maybe you need to review all the name calling at him first so you can understand that (I get you like to review posts, but don't limit it to just him).

Second, Yes you routinely do attack JO. I've been reading your bashing too long now (review last week). Think about it... Do you expect to attack him routinely without any attack back by him? It sucks being attacked back, right??? Reread what you just posted above... Obviously people were attacking him based on his replies, including you. He said he talked to Enoch (or maybe it was someone else on te team) & was told playing time might be an issue with J.Jackson. Yet people bashed him that we aren't deep at the 4 when we have Facey, Durham, Diarra there & also others saying Larrier & V.Jackson can play the 4. That's 5 guys. Yet people bashed him that J.Jackson is the answer to all our problems. Where did J.Jackson end up? Maryland, the team with the most potential playing time. I think he had a point there.

PS - You're one of the people who derailed this thread. JO said he thought JD would be an special player for us (or something like that), but you & others attacked him for that. Was there a need for that here? Does that mean you don't think JD will be a special player at UConn? I need this for my record keeping, so I can dig it up 6 months from now, like you do.

Maybe you should spend time defending DHam now on the other thread, with all the other DHam bashers (but don't limit it to JO's posts)? I look forward to your "informative" posts there...

 

[80shusky]

 

[gtcam]

1) I dont attack Jim Ollie without substance. His posts are almost always derailing threads (point proven right now). And yes, he spews blatant lies on this board. Each time he's been 'attacked' posters are only calling him out for his garbage posts in the first place. And, in fact, he invites the criticism by being the first one to resort to name calling in the first place:

• In the Justin Jackson thread, he said he 'hopes people feel stupid for doubting him' and called everyone 'haters' after Jackson committed to Maryland, which isn't even what he posted he heard from his 'source'.
• Another instance is @7774 calling Jim Ollie out earlier in this thread for what he posted about Cassell. Jim Ollie dug himself deeper, continued to lie, and called 7774 a 'CLOWN'. @7774 simply quoted his post and proved him wrong after being called a clown.

Jim Ollie reaps what he sows.​

2) I make lots of informative posts, check my history (unfortunately, I can't say the same for you because I can't check your post history since you disabled that).

3) Get off your high horse by trying to defend someone on an internet forum... he's responsible for what he posts. You're not high and mighty by defending him. If people continually gang up on him for crap posts, chances are he's a crappy poster... it's not rocket science.


I like coming to this board for factual and informative discussions about UConn basketball. The simple fact of the matter is that Jim Ollie deteriorates the quality of this message board because of his off-track conjecture (always derailing threads), baseless/opinionated player attacks (on Hamilton/Drummond), and lies (which he's been repeatedly called out for).

You're defending a poster who basically trashes our guys who leave early and claim they 'underachieved' -- in Drummond and Hamilton -- and you're telling me he's 'excited for our team' ?!? I called him out on the Drummond/Hamilton threads because in actually those teams as a whole were disjointed and had nothing to personal performance by those guys. They stuffed stat sheets when here... productivity was far from lacking from those players. So yeah, I call him out for that unfair criticism of our players, and I provided substance in doing so, which is more than you can say for his baseless posts or your 'STOP, BE NICE' posts.

STOP THIS CRAP
Please

 

[gtcam]

Don't worry too much about it. I have some of the thickest skin on earth. But yeah, uchusky916, 7774, and bigmccrackern pretty much take every opportunity possible to attack me. Let them be childish

Do yourself a favor - place the named people on your ignored list
I did and made my life on this site much better

 

[7774]

STOP THIS CRAP
Please

Stop what, presenting actual facts?

 

[BUConn10]

1) I dont attack Jim Ollie without substance. His posts are almost always derailing threads (point proven right now). And yes, he spews blatant lies on this board. Each time he's been 'attacked' posters are only calling him out for his garbage posts in the first place. And, in fact, he invites the criticism by being the first one to resort to name calling in the first place:

• In the Justin Jackson thread, he said he 'hopes people feel stupid for doubting him' and called everyone 'haters' after Jackson committed to Maryland, which isn't even what he posted he heard from his 'source'.
• Another instance is @7774 calling Jim Ollie out earlier in this thread for what he posted about Cassell. Jim Ollie dug himself deeper, continued to lie, and called 7774 a 'CLOWN'. @7774 simply quoted his post and proved him wrong after being called a clown.

Jim Ollie reaps what he sows.​

2) I make lots of informative posts, check my history (unfortunately, I can't say the same for you because I can't check your post history since you disabled that).

3) Get off your high horse by trying to defend someone on an internet forum... he's responsible for what he posts. You're not high and mighty by defending him. If people continually gang up on him for crap posts, chances are he's a crappy poster... it's not rocket science.


I like coming to this board for factual and informative discussions about UConn basketball. The simple fact of the matter is that Jim Ollie deteriorates the quality of this message board because of his off-track conjecture (always derailing threads), baseless/opinionated player attacks (on Hamilton/Drummond), and lies (which he's been repeatedly called out for).

You're defending a poster who basically trashes our guys who leave early and claim they 'underachieved' -- in Drummond and Hamilton -- and you're telling me he's 'excited for our team' ?!? I called him out on the Drummond/Hamilton threads because in actually those teams as a whole were disjointed and had nothing to personal performance by those guys. They stuffed stat sheets when here... productivity was far from lacking from those players. So yeah, I call him out for that unfair criticism of our players, and I provided substance in doing so, which is more than you can say for his baseless posts or your 'STOP, BE NICE' posts.

Wow, talk about "derailing" a thread. So much effort into something so futile.

 

[nomar]

First off, you're a stalker if you need to check people's prior posts so frequently. I suggest seeking professional help for that. Maybe you need to review all the name calling at him first so you can understand that (I get you like to review posts, but don't limit it to just him).

Second, Yes you routinely do attack JO. I've been reading your bashing too long now (review last week). Think about it... Do you expect to attack him routinely without any attack back by him? It sucks being attacked back, right??? Reread what you just posted above... Obviously people were attacking him based on his replies, including you. He said he talked to Enoch (or maybe it was someone else on te team) & was told playing time might be an issue with J.Jackson. Yet people bashed him that we aren't deep at the 4 when we have Facey, Durham, Diarra there & also others saying Larrier & V.Jackson can play the 4. That's 5 guys. Yet people bashed him that J.Jackson is the answer to all our problems. Where did J.Jackson end up? Maryland, the team with the most potential playing time. I think he had a point there.

PS - You're one of the people who derailed this thread. JO said he thought JD would be an special player for us (or something like that), but you & others attacked him for that. Was there a need for that here? Does that mean you don't think JD will be a special player at UConn? I need this for my record keeping, so I can dig it up 6 months from now, like you do.

Maybe you should spend time defending DHam now on the other thread, with all the other DHam bashers (but don't limit it to JO's posts)? I look forward to your "informative" posts there...

I think it's weird when people don't make their post history public.

Frankly, most of the (infrequent) times I check on someone's history, it's because they're trolling or lying -- and I've found a high correlation between bad posters and private profiles. There are of course exceptions to this.

Just an observation.

 

[80shusky]

Just a thought, this is a Durham thread. so yea. We are all UConn basketball fans, let's see if we can have a little harmony! It is a long off-season....