Just some thoughts.

[CTBasketball]

So would the board not look into cases of students cheating on tests? Pretty sure nobody's ever been arrested for that.

You're blowing it out of proportion. The charges were dropped against Wolf. Besides a private police report, nothing happened.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

You're blowing it out of proportion. The charges were dropped against Wolf. Besides a private police report, nothing happened.

That's great that the girl has apparently forgiven him. She's a better person than most, I guess. But she's not the one responsible for deciding whether Enosch Wolf deserves to be a scholarship basketball player.

 

[CTBasketball]

That's great that the girl has apparently forgiven him. She's a better person than most, I guess. But she's not the one responsible for deciding whether Enosch Wolf deserves to be a scholarship basketball player.

According to everyone's logic, Ben Gordon should have been arrested, kicked off the team, and lost his scholarship in 2003. Pretty much ending our Sweet 16 run.

Because Ben was a superstar, he gets immunity? That doesn't seem right. Because if this same situation happened with Shabazz, Boat, Dre Daniels, or Calhoun they would get a slap on the wrist.

 

[huskiesnyc]

According to everyone's logic, Ben Gordon should have been arrested, kicked off the team, and lost his scholarship in 2003. Pretty much ending our Sweet 16 run.

Because Ben was a superstar, he gets immunity? That doesn't seem right. Because if this same situation happened with Shabazz, Boat, Dre Daniels, or Calhoun they would get a slap on the wrist.

There is a new administration and new coaching staff in place. The standards are different than they were in 2003. That has been made very clear to the players and fan base. Assuming Omar and Bazz etc would receive a slap on the wrist is totally unfounded.

 

[UCDaveD]

Since there were no charges against Wolf, the board should not have entered into it.

100% wrong. Board jurisdiction goes way beyond just criminal charges.

 

[UCDaveD]

You're blowing it out of proportion. The charges were dropped against Wolf. Besides a private police report, nothing happened.

The charges were dropped because the prosecution was satisfied with Wolf undergoing counseling. Doesn't mean nothing happened.

 

[Kitaman]

Because Ben was a superstar, he gets immunity? That doesn't seem right.

You do now that's they way of the world or certainly in America.

Privilege, status, money and/or who you know, all equal leniency and special treatment. You are not naive on this are you?

It is what it is, and it ain't going to change that's for sure.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

According to everyone's logic, Ben Gordon should have been arrested, kicked off the team, and lost his scholarship in 2003. Pretty much ending our Sweet 16 run.

Because Ben was a superstar, he gets immunity? That doesn't seem right. Because if this same situation happened with Shabazz, Boat, Dre Daniels, or Calhoun they would get a slap on the wrist.

Nobody is arguing that a superstar should be treated any differently. We won't know whether that will happen under Ollie/Manuel/Herbst until a superstar does something as stupid as Wolf did.

 

[Jerry1714]

.....nor were the charges ever proven true, in a court of law......it's a big difference

Was what he did ever denied by him, his lawyer or the university? No.

The charges were dropped due to his completion of "counseling", which I assume is alcohol related, not because of lack of evidence or a recanting of the story from the victim.

If Ollie does not want to put up with this behavior then so be it, we have had enough arrests and embareasments over the last decade. Sometime you need to make an example out of someone to set a tone for the program. If Wolf is that example I am okay with it.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Stupid people put themselves in stupid situations.

Really? Blaming the victim? She deserved it because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time? Dressed too provocatively? Because she dated someone on the basketball team? Because she was up too late?

Nice.

 

[upstater]

According to everyone's logic, Ben Gordon should have been arrested, kicked off the team, and lost his scholarship in 2003. Pretty much ending our Sweet 16 run.

Because Ben was a superstar, he gets immunity? That doesn't seem right. Because if this same situation happened with Shabazz, Boat, Dre Daniels, or Calhoun they would get a slap on the wrist.

Bullshite

 

[sammydabiz]

All I'm saying, is if I was Wolf's lawyer, I'd have a field day with this decision. Whether the charges were dropped or not.....The fact of the matter is he was never convicted of this crime (sure the defense states they were happy with Wolf's counseling & so forth, but heck, maybe that was just a scapegoat because they never had sufficient evidence to convict Wolf)

I had a friend of mine that was charged with rape, ruined his college career, studies, relationships with others....... and it turned out the girl was lying after all because she didn't want to be labeled a "nope"......not saying this was the situation with Wolf, but people shouldn't be so eager to go and get their pitchforks. My friend lost everything at that particular time, and even after being acquitted of the charges, the perception followed him for quite awhile, although he was only guilty of having consensual sex.

My point, I'm willing to bet no one on here knows the true story of what happened that night b/w wolf and his gf, but lets not speak of him as if he's scum, especially when his transgressions were never proven in court.

 

[ju6381]

All I'm saying, is if I was Wolf's lawyer, I'd have a field day with this decision. Whether the charges were dropped or not.....The fact of the matter is he was never convicted of this crime (sure the defense states they were happy with Wolf's counseling & so forth, but heck, maybe that was just a scapegoat because they never had sufficient evidence to convict Wolf)

I had a friend of mine that was charged with rape, ruined his college career, studies, relationships with others....... and it turned out the girl was lying after all because she didn't want to be labeled a "nope"......not saying this was the situation with Wolf, but people shouldn't be so eager to go and get their pitchforks. My friend lost everything at that particular time, and even after being acquitted of the charges, the perception followed him for quite awhile, although he was only guilty of having consensual sex.

My point, I'm willing to bet no one on here knows the true story of what happened that night b/w wolf and his gf, but lets not speak of him as if he's scum, especially when his transgressions were never proven in court.

If you were his lawyer you would not in fact have a field day with this decision, an athletic scholarship is a 1 year contract, so UConn held up there part of the deal. Sorry nothing to do as a lawyer in that situation. The statement I keep seeing in posts is that Wolf was not convicted of a crime. I may be wrong but accepting the programs the court offered is in fact an admission of guilt. Yes, some accept these programs because it is the easier thing to do but in the eye of the law it is an admission of guilt. These programs are often offered to first time offenders.

 

[Palatine]

I find it odd that people would point the finger at either Ollie, Athletic department administration or the university for revocation of the scholarship when it was the kid that made a bad choice. Choices good and bad have ramifications, the young man needs to own the choice he made that evening (I don't know him so I can't make a call on either he has or hasn't) and accept the ramifications.

Kids make bad choices all the time. Wolf paid for his and the charges were dropped. The school took away his schollie.

 

[upstater]

All I'm saying, is if I was Wolf's lawyer, I'd have a field day with this decision. Whether the charges were dropped or not.....The fact of the matter is he was never convicted of this crime (sure the defense states they were happy with Wolf's counseling & so forth, but heck, maybe that was just a scapegoat because they never had sufficient evidence to convict Wolf)

I had a friend of mine that was charged with rape, ruined his college career, studies, relationships with others....... and it turned out the girl was lying after all because she didn't want to be labeled a "nope"......not saying this was the situation with Wolf, but people shouldn't be so eager to go and get their pitchforks. My friend lost everything at that particular time, and even after being acquitted of the charges, the perception followed him for quite awhile, although he was only guilty of having consensual sex.

My point, I'm willing to bet no one on here knows the true story of what happened that night b/w wolf and his gf, but lets not speak of him as if he's scum, especially when his transgressions were never proven in court.

I don't think anyone said the kid is scum.

As for suing anyone, scholarships are given year to year.

No one here knows what is going on at the university disciplinary level because it's all a secret. By law. And schools have lower thresholds for making such decisions than the legal system does. We've been through this before with Miles, when the student/faculty committee tossed him out of school despite the fact that the woman in the incident also dropped charges and never appeared. In Miles's case, the violated restraining order was all the school needed to see. We saw this with the AJ Price and Marcus Williams case. People assume Calhoun handed down the punishments. He did not. It was the committee that did, and to give context because of the national backlash, the committee put out statistics showing that 52 students had been caught stealing laptops in the prior year or years, and almost all of them received the same punishment as Marcus Williams. AJ Price actually received a stiffer punishment than regular students because he denied stealing the laptops (Williams was on an exhibition team in South America when the police were interviewing Price).

If a current UConn student has a copy of the code of conduct, he might want to look up the section on physical abuse. At some colleges, I've seen very low thresholds for expulsion. If you have sex wit an inebriated person on some campuses, you can be thrown out of school.

 

[upstater]

If you were his lawyer you would not in fact have a field day with this decision, an athletic scholarship is a 1 year contract, so UConn held up there part of the deal. Sorry nothing to do as a lawyer in that situation. The statement I keep seeing in posts is that Wolf was not convicted of a crime. I may be wrong but accepting the programs the court offered is in fact an admission of guilt. Yes, some accept these programs because it is the easier thing to do but in the eye of the law it is an admission of guilt. These programs are often offered to first time offenders.

It's not an admission of guilt at all. The prosecution issues a nolo contendere once you enter into a program, meaning there is absolutely no finding either way.

 

[UCDaveD]

If a current UConn student has a copy of the code of conduct, he might want to look up the section on physical abuse. At some colleges, I've seen very low thresholds for expulsion. If you have sex wit an inebriated person on some campuses, you can be thrown out of school.

Student code of conduct is online
http://www.community.uconn.edu/student_code_appendixb.html

Relationship Violence
Relationship violence is a pattern of behavior in an intimate relationship that is used to establish power and control over another person through fear and intimidation.
A pattern of behavior is typically determined based on the repeated use of words and/or actions and inactions in order to demean, intimidate, and/or control another person. This behavior can be verbal, emotional and/or physical. Examples of relationship violence include, but is not limited to:

• Slapping
• Pulling hair
• Punching
• Damaging one's property
• Driving recklessly to scare someone
• Name calling
• Humiliating one in public
• Harassment directed toward a current or former partner or spouse
• Threats of abuse such as threatening to hit, harm, or use a weapon on another (whether victim or acquaintance, friend, or family member of the victim), or other forms of verbal threats

Sanctions
If the accused student is found responsible for committing sexual misconduct and therefore, violating The Student Code appropriate sanctions will be imposed. Sanctions are determined by the seriousness of the violation, precedent for similar violations, and any existing aggravating and/or mitigating factors.
The University has four major sanctions: Warning, University Probation, University Suspension, or University Expulsion. When a student is found responsible for a violation(s), one of these is imposed. It is highly unlikely that a student found responsible for sexual misconduct would receive the sanction of a University Warning. The precedent regarding sexual misconduct is University Expulsion. A student may receive additional sanctions related to housing, student privileges, educational interventions, etc.

 

[The Viking]

I'm not sure what the issue is here. UConn is making a concerted effort to clean up it's image.

What we do know is a big 7 footer entered a girl's apartment, pulled her by the hair, knocked her glasses off, refused to leave her apartment at some ungodly hour....and that's not including things that we DON"T know, if there are any.

IFthere was a precedent before BG hit his girlfriend, that UConn tends to revoke schollies for such activities, maybe he thinks twice before doing something. Maybe not, but who knows. The bottom line is UConn is being firm with the right hand (pulling the schollie) while extending an olive branch with the left (he can come back as a walk-on if he wants and can finish his degree here).

It's the RIGHT precedent to make. It's not like Wolf was smoking a doobie in his dorm and his schollie is getting pulled.

 

[CL82]

This is what confuses me... does the team really need Kromah that bad next season to put Wolf in this situation? and If we didnt get that transfer would Wolf still have been taken off scholarship anyway?

By the way, Im sure the school could work something out that will lower Wolf's out of pocket expense if he chooses to come back.

Missing the point. Wolf's punishment isn't because of Kromah. Kromah's opportunity happened because of Wolf's actions.

I'm not so sure that the school can do much for Wolf. He no longer on scholarship and, as a foreign student doesn't qualify for federal aid.

 

[CL82]

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upstater said: ↑​

If a current UConn student has a copy of the code of conduct, he might want to look up the section on physical abuse. At some colleges, I've seen very low thresholds for expulsion. If you have sex wit an inebriated person on some campuses, you can be thrown out of school.​

Wow, tough rule.
From what I've seen a good portion of the guys on the board have zero chance of having sex with anyone who is sober.

 

[CAHUSKY]

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Wow, tough rule.
From what I've seen a good portion of the guys on the board have zero chance of having sex with anyone who is sober.

Or drunk

 

[CTBasketball]

One thing is certain. If Wolf doesn't come back, our title chances are GONE. If you think Facey, a 6'7" 190lb freshman can take us to Dallas then you are all delusional. Take away Oriakhi from the 2011 team and we go 15-15. Same situation, but this year's team will win a little more.

 

[UCDaveD]

Yeah dude, his 3 points and 3 rebounds per game had National Championship written all over it.

 

[sammydabiz]

One thing is certain. If Wolf doesn't come back, our title chances are GONE. If you think Facey, a 6'7" 190lb freshman can take us to Dallas then you are all delusional. Take away Oriakhi from the 2011 team and we go 15-15. Same situation, but this year's team will win a little more.

Delusional bro
I've never been an (post 2011) Oriahki supporter.....but to suggest Wolf is even half as valuable as AO your delusional..........bro

 

[Mike Honcho]

Getting thrown out of school ≠ getting your scholarship pulled. It's a privilege that Wolf forfeited.

 

[huskiesnyc]

One thing is certain. If Wolf doesn't come back, our title chances are GONE. If you think Facey, a 6'7" 190lb freshman can take us to Dallas then you are all delusional. Take away Oriakhi from the 2011 team and we go 15-15. Same situation, but this year's team will win a little more.

When did Facey shrink 3 inches?

 

[CTBasketball]

Delusional bro
I've never been an (post 2011) Oriahki supporter.....but to suggest Wolf is even half as valuable as AO your delusional..........bro

Clearly Wolf is not as valuable as Oriakhi. But if Wolf leaves we have no big-men. Again. It's going to be the same story, we get out-rebounded by 15 while Shabazz/Boat play 38 minutes a game to counter that loss.

 

[sammydabiz]

Clearly Wolf is not as valuable as Oriakhi. But if Wolf leaves we have no big-men. Again. It's going to be the same story, we get out-rebounded by 15 while Shabazz/Boat play 38 minutes a game to counter that loss.

Ya I hear ya concern, and would feel a little warmer at night knowing a 7' Wolf is in the rotation.....but I have a good feeling about Nolan this season, the last couple of games he showed me a lot, he's only going to get better/bigger I think he'll surprise. Also not expecting much but Facey should contribute.....along w/ Brimah (hey size is size, see Thabeet)... Giffey, and a TO whose done with mediocrity.... we will hold our own on the rebound front (we were slowly fixing the rb diff towards the end of last year)

Also I think an extra ball handler in Kromah was key, we've been spoiled a little in past years, but freshman being sufficient enough to run the 1, is not the norm......so totally relying on Samuel /Allen is suspect at best. Kromah is a key addition.

 

[CTBasketball]

Ya I hear ya concern, and would feel a little warmer at night knowing a 7' Wolf is in the rotation.....but I have a good feeling about Nolan this season, the last couple of games he showed me a lot, he's only going to get better/bigger I think he'll surprise. Also not expecting much but Facey should contribute.....along w/ Brimah (hey size is size, see Thabeet)... Giffey, and a TO whose done with mediocrity.... we will hold our own on the rebound front (we were slowly fixing the rb diff towards the end of last year)

Also I think an extra ball handler in Kromah was key, we've been spoiled a little in past years, but freshman being sufficient enough to run the 1, is not the norm......so totally relying on Samuel /Allen is suspect at best. Kromah is a key addition.

I have the same opinion about Nolan. I think he'll be good, but not dependable. I feel like if the program knew Wolf was gonna get cut, then I feel like we should have went with a big-man transfer. Bazz, Boat, and Samuel can all handle the ball. But Calhoun has been working on his handle and Giff has decent handles himself.

 

[Northbound]

Kids make bad choices all the time. Wolf paid for his and the charges were dropped. The school took away his schollie.

Your confusing things. The school has their own set of standards apart from the legal system whether you, I or the fence post like that its a fact.

Upstater, I'm thinking you might be able to shed light on the university "due process".

I can speak from experience from running afoul of a schools rules for their students and their student athletes. I didn't lose and schollie, but I provided the school a boat load of free labor because that what a disciplinary hearing decided. That "jury" was comprised of ainistrators, students and professors. We got into a dust up in a bar, no legal ramifications, but there sure as hell were university ramifications.