Jon Rothstein -- UConn will heavily explore joining another league in the offseason
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I disagree with this and it's already been proven with other posts in this thread.
My overall point is that a P5 invite will not hinge on basketball. That has been shown very clearly through the additions of some schools over us. It's football that drives the bus and if we wanna show we belong then we must remain in the best G5 league and that's the AAC. Basketball doesn't seem to be hurting other then the fact that fans don't get to relive their glorious BE years. However, joining the BE won't bring that back as the majority of the teams we looked forward to playing in the BE no longer are there.
If we want basketball to enjoy a better life then it is football that must bring it there. I don't think being in the AAC is going to kill the program like every basketball first fan wants to keep believing
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Proven how? By personal attacks and opinions? Lol.
Hey UCFBfan.... please identify what year you believe this phantom P5 invite will arrive?
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Sorry but this is the realty:
UConn: Hey Big East. We would like to join your league for all sports but football. AAC basketball stinks. We would like to use your league to prop up out B-Ball team until we get an ACC or BiG invite. Then we go.
Big East: Uh...No thanks.
UConn: Hey Big East. We would like to join your league for all sports but football. AAC basketball stinks. We would like to use your league to prop up out B-Ball team until we get an ACC or BiG invite. Then we go.
Big East: Uh...No thanks.
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I have no idea but I can tell you that the moment we basically abandon football by leaving it in some random conference to rejoin the BE is the year we permanently seal our fate of never getting into a P5 conference. You folks can then let me know how that feels the day the P5 realizes they can hold their own March Madness and leave conferences like the Big East behind along with all of the the G5 conferences.
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The Big XII really screwed the pooch by not expanding this past year. They would like nothing more right now than to kick Baylor out but they can't do that as that would take them down to 9 teams. If you don't know why they want to kick Baylor out of the conference read this article.
New Baylor lawsuit alleges 52 rapes by football players in 4 years, 'show 'em a good time' culture | Baylor | Dallas News
If the league would have added two teams this past year they could give Rape U the boot and be down to 11.
New Baylor lawsuit alleges 52 rapes by football players in 4 years, 'show 'em a good time' culture | Baylor | Dallas News
If the league would have added two teams this past year they could give Rape U the boot and be down to 11.
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Hey Beakum. I'm sure many folks in BXII schools and fans want Baylor to get the boot, but I'm not sure the presidents actually have any interest in doing so. Look at the supposed punishment they announced this week, witholding 25% of payouts - it's being withheld by the conference, but can be paid out whenever the presidents decide to. Which could be after Baylor makes a change to some policy, meaningful or otherwise, or it could just be after the media cycle has died down. If the BXII was serious about it, they'd redistribute that 25% to battered women's shelters and education programs or something, not keep the money in a bank account somewhere.
Relatedly, I'm not the only one who thinks that having the Baylor situation coinciding with the 2016 expansion decision soured the BXII on BYU who were also in the news for bad reasons.
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This ain't sayin' much beak'. You would gladly welcome Tufts, too, over Baylor.
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^^ Yeah, it's a pretty pithy punishment. I mean, how in the flying fork does an institution have not one, not two, not ten, but 52 rape allegations against football players and not get the freaking death penalty. Apparently they didn't cross the imaginary line in the sand that the conference drew. Now if it was 53 allegations we would be talking some serious punishment!
The only reason Baylor is in the conference to begin with is because when the conference was formed the Governor of Tejas, who is a Baylor grad and big time Baylor supporter, demanded that Baylor get included. If you make a laundry list of Baylor screwups since being in the conference you would have more than enough ammo to kick them to the curb. But the conference leadership lacks the guts to do that.
The only reason Baylor is in the conference to begin with is because when the conference was formed the Governor of Tejas, who is a Baylor grad and big time Baylor supporter, demanded that Baylor get included. If you make a laundry list of Baylor screwups since being in the conference you would have more than enough ammo to kick them to the curb. But the conference leadership lacks the guts to do that.
What's dangerous is leaving our football team "in some random conference" whose geographic center is 1500 miles from Storrs. That being said, I think it would work for a few years anyway or we could go the independent route but that hinges on our success on the field. Maybe HCRE and his staff can hopefully improve the team enough during this period to get people to sit up and take notice.
As far as the P5 conferences trying to monopolize big money college sports, holding their own championships at the expense of smaller schools and conferences, I don't think Congress or the other two branches would allow a monopilistic money making venture like that across state lines. The anti-trust implications are pretty cut and dried. I could be wrong but hey it's JMO.
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I'll just leave this here: College Football Playoff Overview. Where there is a $will$ there is a way.
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If you are implying that the AAC is a bad football conference you are dead wrong. The competition on the field is every bit as good as the old Big East, rivalries are slowly developing, and Randy Edsall just recruited a class of athletes that is on par with the classes he recruited in the old Big East (in 3 weeks no less) and league travel for football is not a problem when you are talking just 4 road games. Independence or a weaker league like the MAC would be a huge downgrade for football.
Women's basketball should go independent (because the AAC would allow it), but Men's basketball and Football need to stay in the AAC.
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No, I'm not implying that at all, quite the contrary. The AAC is a solid football conference, and a much better conference than AAC men's basketball is, relative to other conferences. Which is why I think even though the geographic challenge is there, I think UCONN football could do well there until we hopefully get a P5 invite. UConn men's basketball though and our other sports need to get out of that conference soon, IMHO. Football travels better than other college sports like basketball, soccer and baseball.
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What is creating the sense of urgency for Men's basketball? Our record this year is the result of Daniel Hamilton leaving early, very bad early season coaching from KO, and injuries. Which of these things would have been different in the C7 league?
The only thing giving this basketball season any life right now is the fact that we have a post season tournament coming up in Hartford that will give us a chance to punch an NCAA tournament ticket. You want to take that away.
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Well I sort of see your point but you are aware that UCFB, the guy I responded to was referring to March Madness, and the NBE being locked out by the P5 in his opinion?
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No, of course not, if we move to the NBE we play in a much tougher conference, and the conference tournament would be at MSG. What's so bad about that? Soccer and baseball also get a shot in the arm.
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You should be smart enough to know we have a much better shot of winning the AAC tournament in Hartford.
Soccer and baseball should explore other options to save money. Lesser leagues would be acceptable here.
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Right - he said watch what happens when the "P5 realizes they can hold their own March Madness and leave conferences like the Big East behind along with all of the the G5 conferences."
You said "As far as the P5 conferences trying to monopolize big money college sports, holding their own championships at the expense of smaller schools and conferences, I don't think Congress or the other two branches would allow a monopilistic money making venture like that across state lines"
I was just pointing out they already did that w/ CFP and if they (P5) think they can do better financially under their own "March Madness" model - they will find a way to do it.
... this can happen whether we are in the AAC or NBE.
OK, maybe this year, I'll give you that, with the injuries. But wanting to ignore and not care about baseball and soccer is a little troubling to me, as it would be also to any ACC or Big Ten panel considering us for an invite, or to the NBE as well.
It would be interesting to see, if that happens, if the AP and UPI get to crown the national champion in basketball.
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The Big East and their chump change Fox TV deal is going to turn down UConn? OK.
I think they'd take us in a heartbeat, even if it's only for 4 or 5 years.
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They haven't quite done that since there is technically a way (even if it's only a minute chance) for a G5 team to get into the CFP. Once the door is totally closed, if that happens, they will likely be open to the Congressional inquiry huskyrob is referring to. They're not stupid. In my opinion this is precisely the reason it hasn't happened yet.
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Completely ageee if it was a total "blockade" - I was more referring to the point of the P5 Conferences "trying to monopolize big money college sports, holding their own championships at the expense of smaller schools and conferences" .
If they can find a way to shimmy down the AQ's - they will.
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If they're fine with 11 why not add 1?
Oh yeah, the P5 legislation forbids odd numbered conferences.
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Imagine how strong Big East Basketball would be with UConn and Cincy.
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It seems to me the P5 hasn't completely closed off the G5 for the football playoff because they are trying to keep G5 fans bases participating. G5 fans go to games and watch them on TV, G5 teams travel and spend money, and G5 fans watch the college playoff. IMO Houston was going to get shut out of the playoff this year even if they ran the table but the "dream" kept the G5 energized. People will spend money as long as there is "hope."
Not sure I believe Congress will ever get involved. Think about it from a Senator's perspective....lets say the P5 makes it own tournament and Villanova gets cut out. Is a Pennsylvania Senator going to engage when it negatively impacts Penn State? How many fans/voters does Villanova have versus Penn St? At some point it becomes a poltical math problem for congressional representatives and most of the populous states have a P5 team.
That said I think the more likely option is the P5 creates its own tournament and invites a small handful of G5 teams to participate. It keeps the G5 fans engaged and allow the P5 to better monopolize the basketball money. Money and control are powerful motivators and under this system the P5 essentially replaces the NCAA.
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