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He’s the guy who should guard the opposing pg 20 min a game— will throw off opposing team’s offense with his length

Sorry but he’s not that close. Andre was a stopper, glue guy. And if Andre could shoot like Ross wow, he may be an NBA all star.

He’s not a good enough defender for 20 minutes for me I know others see something, but he’s a solid 10-15 minute bench piece and if Mullins is not in foul trouble he’s closer to 10.
 
Jayden’s made a nice jump to become our defensive stopper but let’s not get crazy. AJax is one of our best athletes and playmakers of all time to go along with the elite defense.
 
Sorry but there is no comparison here at all. Jackson was one of the most gifted athletes to ever play at UConn. I never could get over the fact that he had a nonexistent jump shot but boy that elite athleticism made it so he had to be on the court.
 
The funny thing is that saying Ross isn't as good as Ajax is not an insult to Ross. Like some have pointed out, Ajax was a rookie starter in the NBA without a jumper.
Ross is still a pup and capable of improving more. There still could be another jump next year and progress made before this year is out. From everything I here, the kid is smart, very coachable and has a solid work ethic. I think when he does leave, he will be sorely missed, but even then may not be near or at the same level as AJax. Again, it doesn't mean that Ross won't be a very effective and important piece on a very good team. He already is that.
 
Ross is perfect in his current role. He is no Andre Jackson, Jr. and while people like you can claim we went on a run w Ross on the floor, I’d argue the more expected return was when he got trapped in the corner , turned the ball over and gave Florida a chance to tie it late. He has improved tremendously from last season, deserves a role, part he is far from being our top 5.
There was also a moment when in the right corner, he passed late in the shot clock to Malachi right in front of him on the baseline 10 feet from the hoop. That left Smith with no choices but a low percentage 10 foot push shot or going to the hoop and getting rejected. (He chose the latter.) Players with better instincts would have just thrown the ball back outside and let someone else make a play.
 
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There was also a moment when in the right corner, he passed late in the shot clock to Malachi right in front of him on the baseline 10 feet from the hoop. That left Smith with no choices but a low percentage 10 foot push shot or going to the hoop and getting rejected. (He chose the latter.) Players with better instincts would have just thrown the ball back outside and let someone else make a play.
This. So many people just judge the shot and the results and not the reason behind them. One of the things that kills me is when people pass to a player that sets them up to get a charging call. Another is when a player realizes the clock is winding down and kicks to someone who has no reasonable opportunity to make a shot. Incredibly frustrating.

I sometimes think that the complexity of the Hurley offense lends itself to players making bad decisions early in the season. I suspect that while they are internalizing the scheme, they are too focused on making the next pass rather than making the right play. The good news is by late January/February, Hurley teams tend not to make these kinds of mistakes.
 
This is not a good take. Ross is nowhere near Freshman Andre Jackson.

IQ, athleticism, defensive prowess, offensive ability, and rebounding are all many levels below Ajax even on his off days.

Ross is still analytically the worst rated defender we’ve had since like 2022 so I am not sure of the praise for him on that end. For every time he gets a block, he gets beat 2x.
 
This is not a good take. Ross is nowhere near Freshman Andre Jackson.

IQ, athleticism, defensive prowess, offensive ability, and rebounding are all many levels below Ajax even on his off days.

Ross is still analytically the worst rated defender we’ve had since like 2022 so I am not sure of the praise for him on that end. For every time he gets a block, he gets beat 2x.
I’d love to see his opponent FG% and compare it to the analytics.
 
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This is not a good take. Ross is nowhere near Freshman Andre Jackson.

IQ, athleticism, defensive prowess, offensive ability, and rebounding are all many levels below Ajax even on his off days.

Ross is still analytically the worst rated defender we’ve had since like 2022 so I am not sure of the praise for him on that end. For every time he gets a block, he gets beat 2x.
Evan Miya has him rated as our fourth best defender and best guard/wing after Silas. Basically grades out as a good but not great defender, which aligns with the eye test to me. I think his defensive value plays up a bit because of his length and athleticism. He can D up some guys that our smaller guards struggle with.
 
Ross = combo of Lasan Kromah and Kentan Facey. A 3&D wing (emphasis on the D) thats not a great ball handler, passer, rebounder, finisher, or shooter.

Jordan Walsh?
Are you comparing him to the Jordan Walsh as of now or Walsh during his one year at Arkansas? Walsh is currently shooting 48% from 3 and coming into his own in year 3 in the league, he's also only a couple of months older than Ross.
 
Are you comparing him to the Jordan Walsh as of now or Walsh during his one year at Arkansas? Walsh is currently shooting 48% from 3 and coming into his own in year 3 in the league, he's also only a couple of months older than Ross.
At Arkansas
 
Evan Miya has him rated as our fourth best defender and best guard/wing after Silas. Basically grades out as a good but not great defender, which aligns with the eye test to me. I think his defensive value plays up a bit because of his length and athleticism. He can D up some guys that our smaller guards struggle with.
Evan Miya is a big nerd with nice Bayesian data models, but his offense and defense grading are not the be-all-end-all of defensive assessments. This goes for everyone in CBB, not just Ross.

Look at how those numbers get computed at some point.
 
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This. So many people just judge the shot and the results and not the reason behind them. One of the things that kills me is when people pass to a player that sets them up to get a charging call. Another is when a player realizes the clock is winding down and kicks to someone who has no reasonable opportunity to make a shot. Incredibly frustrating.

I sometimes think that the complexity of the Hurley offense lends itself to players making bad decisions early in the season. I suspect that while they are internalizing the scheme, they are too focused on making the next pass rather than making the right play. The good news is by late January/February, Hurley teams tend not to make these kinds of mistakes.
Also, when an inbounder passes the ball to a player in the coffin corner with a clear double team on its way. They should get credit for half of the ensuing turnover.
 
Also, when an inbounder passes the ball to a player in the coffin corner with a clear double team on its way. They should get credit for half of the ensuing turnover.
It should be by thirds. The inbounder, the receiver and our other players who couldn’t get free. I guess it could be fourths if the refs let opposing players hold our players.
 
Season started. My Ross points have been made.

At this point he’s going to go as far as his confidence takes him. Not much left to talk about.

I agree. He’s obviously not close to as explosive, aggressive or physical as Andre was but Ross is a good defender, has length, a decent handle for his size & is a decent shooter (in that sense. better than Andre). It would be great to see him try to adopt some of the other things Andre did for us - mainly, push the ball more in transition and keep his head up for cutters and guys that are up court. Andre was an elite passer with an attack mentality that I think spread to the entire team in ‘23.
 
Hey @Scrappy3 great to hear from you. For those of you that have forgotten Scrappy was the poster who always predicted we would go unbeaten every season. His initial post is in line with who he is - our version of RutgersAl.
 
I agree. He’s obviously not close to as explosive, aggressive or physical as Andre was but Ross is a good defender, has length, a decent handle for his size & is a decent shooter (in that sense. better than Andre). It would be great to see him try to adopt some of the other things Andre did for us - mainly, push the ball more in transition and keep his head up for cutters and guys that are up court. Andre was an elite passer with an attack mentality that I think spread to the entire team in ‘23.
Ross is an overall better scorer than Andre (which isn’t hard to do), not just shooter.

Hes not the athlete nor does he have the vision. But if Andre was an A in these categories, I’d think Ross would be a B if he had the confidence to go with it. He’s shown flashes of being able to set his teammates up and playmake. But it’s at the moments he’s feeling confident and aggressive.

Andre was a fearless player, elite athlete, and had one of the best motors I ever saw personally. It’s why it was always frustrating he never had any consistent way he was comfortable scoring. Because he had the makings to be special overall if he could’ve figured out the small things scoring wise.

At minimum, he’s the Thompson twins if he could’ve at least developed the ability to finish at the rim.

Yet his attacking nature without that skill was still prominent and, like you said, energized the whole team.
 
Ross is a defensive closer. That is all. He will hit a bucket every once in a while. He will play because he can play outstanding D.
 
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Ross is beginning to develop into a valuable rotation player.. Hustle plays/D/loose balls/decent passer/secondary ball handler to break the press.. Ways to go to have the impact in games that Andre did but has fast twitch athleticism. His confidence is growing. Energy off the bench.
 
Ross is an overall better scorer than Andre (which isn’t hard to do), not just shooter.

Hes not the athlete nor does he have the vision. But if Andre was an A in these categories, I’d think Ross would be a B if he had the confidence to go with it. He’s shown flashes of being able to set his teammates up and playmake. But it’s at the moments he’s feeling confident and aggressive.

Andre was a fearless player, elite athlete, and had one of the best motors I ever saw personally. It’s why it was always frustrating he never had any consistent way he was comfortable scoring. Because he had the makings to be special overall if he could’ve figured out the small things scoring wise.

At minimum, he’s the Thompson twins if he could’ve at least developed the ability to finish at the rim.

Yet his attacking nature without that skill was still prominent and, like you said, energized the whole team.
If he was a completely different player at minimum he's the Thompson twins.

FTFY
 
If he was a completely different player at minimum he's the Thompson twins.

FTFY
There’s not much different about their games except they are elite finishers around the rim. They both can’t shoot worth a lick but play excellent defense and are elite athletes.

Andre is actually the better passer probably.
 
Umm you did see the last game when we had them by 3 and they full court pressed us, he lost it out of bounds.
I did. Not sure pass should have been thrown to him in that situation. He was a PG in HS before he had his growth spurt. There have been multiple times this year where he has provided secondary ball handling to help our PGs- In a few instances-initiated our offense. Our execution -when pressed- is not as crisp as you would expect from a Top 5 team. I'm sure it's been a point of emphasis in practice as well as part of the scout by our opponents. Gotta clean it up.
 
I did. Not sure pass should have been thrown to him in that situation. He was a PG in HS before he had his growth spurt. There have been multiple times this year where he has provided secondary ball handling to help our PGs- In a few instances-initiated our offense. Our execution -when pressed- is not as crisp as you would expect from a Top 5 team. I'm sure it's been a point of emphasis in practice as well as part of the scout by our opponents. Gotta clean it up.
Agreed. He is a good ball handler with light pressure, but he's not a good decision maker under pressure. We also had a bad press break when Reed and Reibe were sitting (which got one of them inserted ASAP after that).
 
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