Jamelle Elliott out at Cincinnati

[shizam]

What's this got to do with Jamelle Elliott being let go by Cincinnati?

Did you reply to the wrong thread?

Yes I did. Thanks this was intended to be a reply to a poster who said he was blocked by Muffet McGraw after an innocuous tweet he sent her way. Sorry !

 

[Sluconn Husky]

He unintentionally embarrassed her in the AAC tourney. Scoring 21 points is humiliating.

I doubt getting squashed by UConn--a yearly occurrence--had anything to do with her being let go/fired.

 

[shizam]

I doubt getting squashed by UConn--a yearly occurrence--had anything to do with her being let go/fired.

Getting squashed is one thing. Scoring 21 points screams humiliation. Geno should go easier on coaches he has associations with.

 

[shizam]

Geno tweets "Her contract isn't up idiot." I checked that statement and it seems that Jamelle's contract was extended in 2012 by Cincinnati through the 2017-2018 season, which according to my calendar has indeed passed. He also states that she "took the worst job in the league," a decision that I suspect she ran by Geno for his advice. Perhaps he feels guilty for that.

I'm beginning to think perhaps the pressure of coaching this team this year is beginning to get to him. His post game presser for St. Francis was strange and now this tweet. I mean if he doesn't win it all with at least 6 all-Americans on the team then how good a coach could he be.

N.B. My last sentence was somewhat tongue in cheek.

He feels no pressure. He has it in the bag. He is such a good coach and takes nothing for granted. No team can touch them. Oregon is peaking but I do t think they can do it. He feels emotional for the Cinn coach that’s why the weird tweet

 

[Carnac]

That Rebecca Lobo, she summed that up.... I have a feeling she'll land in a good spot.

Remember the song from the musical Evita.........."Don't cry for me Argentina". The Cincy gig was a stepping stone for her. She will be fine. It's time to turn the page, and move on to the next chapter in her life. When one door closes, another one opens. The next job she gets (and she will get another HC job) will be better than Cincy!!! Jamelle will land on her feet. The winning record she finished the year with will help.

 

[Sluconn Husky]

Getting squashed is one thing. Scoring 21 points screams humiliation.

In several of their recent losses to UConn they only scored in the 30's. Not that much difference.

 

[shizam]

That winning record didn’t come easy either. What a hard gig. From reading this post she sounds like a great person.

 

[shizam]

In several of their recent losses to UConn they only scored in the 30's. Not that much difference.

Good point. Something about 21 points is just brutal though. It’s not totally uncommon to see mid to high 30’s. Boneyard is used to these low scores from opponents so the shock value is gone.

 

[Vowelguy]

The next job she gets (and she will get another HC job) will be better than Cincy!!! Jamelle will land on her feet.

I doubt that.
Jamelle even said herself at one point that she wasn't sure if she was cut out for head coaching. Hey, how about being an assistant in her hometown at a little school called GW?

 

[stamfordhusky]

The next job she gets (and she will get another HC job) will be better than Cincy!!!

If her next job is a HC job, then it will be at a much lower level than Cinci. Very likely, however, that she takes an assistant's job somewhere.

 

[lne001]

He feels no pressure. He has it in the bag. He is such a good coach and takes nothing for granted. No team can touch them.

Of course he feels pressure. His team is the ridiculous favorite and the memory of last year's failure must be lurking close to the surface.

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

Getting squashed is one thing. Scoring 21 points screams humiliation. Geno should go easier on coaches he has associations with.

With all due respect, I have to disagree. First, Geno does not have to go easy on any coach. This is college basketball. This is not little league or middle school. We are talking about young women, not young children. No one would ever suggest that a coach of a men's college basketball team go easy on an opponent because of an associational relationship between the head coaches.

Second, it is not Geno's job to to go easy on an overmatched opponent. It is incumbent on the opposing coach to prepare his/her team better.

No one is saying that Jamelle Elliott, Joanne P. McCallie, or any other coach who has been on the wrong end of a beatdown by UConn is not trying. But what I am saying is that they need to try harder, work harder, and do what is necessary to improve Xs and Os, to be competitive with UConn, and to develop there players, both individually and collectively as a team.

Please note that I am saying this as a Duke alum whose WBB team has a realistic shot of being absolutely decimated by UConn in the Sweet 16.

 

[wbball novice]

I doubt that.
Jamelle even said herself at one point that she wasn't sure if she was cut out for head coaching. Hey, how about being an assistant in her hometown at a little school called GW?

How's this for a scenario? Marissa to Tenn to replace Holly. Jamelle rejoins the UConn family and replaces Marissa. I'm guessing some of the Vol fan badmouthing is due to their fear and respect for UConn's coaching prowess and they secretly long to have their team shaped-up by someone from the Husky coaching tree, but the bitter rivalry games have probably soured Tenn for hiring a former UConn player. Marissa never played against the Lady Vols so she doesn't have the baggage. Everybody wins!

 

[Sluconn Husky]

How's this for a scenario? Marissa to Tenn to replace Holly. Jamelle rejoins the UConn family and replaces Marissa. I'm guessing some of the Vol fan badmouthing is due to their fear and respect for UConn's coaching prowess and they secretly long to have their team shaped-up by someone from the Husky coaching tree, but the bitter rivalry games have probably soured Tenn for hiring a former UConn player. Marissa never played against the Lady Vols so she doesn't have the baggage. Everybody wins!

Geno would never invite Marissa over for an Italian dinner again.

 

[OldAlum]

Well it is possible that Shea would decide to take a year off for family time and Janelle could fill in if a better option doesn't present itself.

 

[wallman]

What? Doesn't sound like him? You clearly don't know his history on twitter. Yes, it's him. Every now and again he engages with the dopes who tweet at him. Usually the back-and-forth is with neanderthals who ask him why he doesn't coach men. In this case he's defending Jamelle whom he adores.

You never know how these coaches will respond or whether they'll respond. Muffet McGraw actually blocked me after what I thought was a rather innocuous response to one of her tweets. Coaches are a funny bunch.

Badge of Honor

 

[Vowelguy]

Well it is possible that Shea would decide to take a year off for family time and Janelle could fill in if a better option doesn't present itself.

Uhh, sorry, have you _ever_ seen a coach at a major institution take a season off after childbirth?
I have not.

 

[MSGRET]

Well it is possible that Shea would decide to take a year off for family time and Janelle could fill in if a better option doesn't present itself.

Uhh, sorry, have you _ever_ seen a coach at a major institution take a season off after childbirth?
I have not.

Shea will coach while having the baby in a carrier strapped to her, the young ladies will help when she needs it, and UConn will go and win their Lucky 13th National Title next year.

 

[shizam]

Of course he feels pressure. His team is the ridiculous favorite and the memory of last year's failure must be lurking close to the surface.

Maybe so but THIS YEAR no one can surprise UCONN Top teams are weak

Miss St is struggling and peaked
SC is a shell of last year
L’ville still fears UConn and would be destroyed by more than 11
ND doesn’t but is short handed
UCLA should play Onyenwere instead of Drummond or Hayes
Baylor full of themselves and lacks chemistry
Oregon is the dark horse but a year away
Stanford not a chance

 

[iri10]

I just found it hard to believe he'd tweet something like this:

It seems in line with what I vaguely remember about his last foray into Tweeting. Like certain other notables in positions of leadership lately, Geno has very little filter on Twitter.

 

[shizam]

With all due respect, I have to disagree. First, Geno does not have to go easy on any coach. This is college basketball. This is not little league or middle school. We are talking about young women, not young children. No one would ever suggest that a coach of a men's college basketball team go easy on an opponent because of an associational relationship between the head coaches.

Second, it is not Geno's job to to go easy on an overmatched opponent. It is incumbent on the opposing coach to prepare his/her team better.

No one is saying that Jamelle Elliott, Joanne P. McCallie, or any other coach who has been on the wrong end of a beatdown by UConn is not trying. But what I am saying is that they need to try harder, work harder, and do what is necessary to improve Xs and Os, to be competitive with UConn, and to develop there players, both individually and collectively as a team.

Please note that I am saying this as a Duke alum whose WBB team has a realistic shot of being absolutely decimated by UConn in the Sweet 16.

no problem with your disagreeing. I would like to see Duke continue playing well but they have no chance and will get killed by UConn. Like you said or implied, everyone does. Lexie Brown is not the type of player who can create consistently off broken plays and that helps for a while against UConn. Brown is overrated. Too be fair, so is Asia Durr who gets more ink than Brown who has much better overall stats and does more consistently than Durr. Duke has some nice pieces. Odom is a nice player with tons of potential and the tall freshman Williams should be good. Haley Gorecki is such a good player and my favorite . Shame she went down and Lambert and Boykin earlier. It really stinks because the ACC needs good teams and Duke injury free could have been special this year. Hope Greenwell can have a good game for you. Your team deserves a lot of credit for losing so many players and playing their best at the end of the year.

 

[HopJim]

I doubt getting squashed by UConn--a yearly occurrence--had anything to do with her being let go/fired.

While this is strictly a guess, firings are often based 50% on record, 50% based on relationships with Athletic Director, boosters, and university management/board. Suspect her focus was on basketball and she didn't give enough attention to the "soft" aspects of coaching. Predict she will get another D1 job and do much better with this unfortunate additional experience.

 

[Vowelguy]

While this is strictly a guess, firings are often based 50% on record, 50% based on relationships with Athletic Director, boosters, and university management/board. Suspect her focus was on basketball and she didn't give enough attention to the "soft" aspects of coaching. Predict she will get another D1 job and do much better with this unfortunate additional experience.

Lol she was there NINE years and had 2 winning seasons. I love Jamelle but why is it so hard for folks to consider the notion that she might not be a good HC?

 

[shizam]

Lol she was there NINE years and had 2 winning seasons. I love Jamelle but why is it so hard for folks to consider the notion that she might not be a good HC?

The only two winning seasons came in the AAC. A ROTTEN Conference with ROTTEN competition full of ROTTEN coaches who recruit ROTTEN talent that want better jobs elsewhere.

 

[Vowelguy]

The only two winning seasons came in the AAC.

Yeah, and the sky is blue. Your point?

 

[shizam]

Yeah, and the sky is blue. Your point?

Yeah, and the sky is blue. Your point?

If Cinncy wasn’t in AAC her record would have been worse. Lame teams that play below average basketball

 

[Centerstream]

The only two winning seasons came in the AAC. A ROTTEN Conference with ROTTEN competition full of ROTTEN coaches who recruit ROTTEN talent that want better jobs elsewhere.

Rotten coaches??? Geno, Jose F, Coach Abe of UCF, Tonya Cardoza. Keep on tr........

 

[shizam]

Rotten coaches??? Geno, Jose F, Coach Abe of UCF, Tonya Cardoza. Keep on tr...

Ha! Thanks for the laugh. How bout the rest ? Can you reach that far down? The AAC stinks. Lousy recruiting and lousy coaching jobs
I do like Cardoza who lost Butts which killed Temple. Temple was a nice team last year. Jose won’t get any higher than he did with Courtney Williams and he can’t recruit defense.

 

[Centerstream]

Ha! Thanks for the laugh. How bout the rest ? Can you reach that far down? The AAC stinks. Lousy recruiting and lousy coaching jobs
I do like Cardoza who lost Butts which killed Temple. Temple was a nice team last year.

I was citing the names of coaches that many people do not consider to be ROTTEN. Whatever. Bye.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

I was citing the names of coaches that many people do not consider to be ROTTEN. Whatever. Bye.

You are correct. The problem with the American is not, for the most part, the coaches. Lisa Stockton is also a good coach and others may be.

OTH, the argument that the conference is terrible (in WBB) is true and probably isn't going to get much better. Some years the American will perform better than others, but I really think it is a financial issue. And whatever money there is, except at UConn, isn't getting spent lavishly on WBB.