Jalen Adams haters where you at?

[auror]

It's hard to remember everything from the past few years but my memory tells me outside of being more efficient this season he was slightly better before this year. I remember him having some more explosive games where he took over in the past and more hollow 10 point scoring outbursts when the game was already over this season. Yesterday was great to see, I forgot what it looked like to see him having fun playing basketball and not looking spent.

I'm not going to go look to see when his points occurred in each game, but he had 11 games of 20+ points in 24 games played this year (45%) and 12 such occasions in 30 games last year (40%). So he was a more consistent scorer this year in general.

5 of the 11 20+ scores this year came in the 9 losses (not counting Temple) he played in, vs. 6 in 14 wins. This might be evidence of irrelevant points, but he only had 8 points in our biggest blowout loss this year (Villanova). It could also just mean he tried to force the issue more in games where he knew we were overmatched in talent otherwise, which would not necessarily make his points hollow.

He averaged an 118 ORTG in wins this year and 98 ORTG in losses. That's a pretty straight-forward correlation (and by definition applies to all players on all teams in aggregate), but would seem to suggest that if he did get easy points/boosted his efficiency in unassailable contests, it was either when in front (but the 20+ point stat refutes that) or he played so much worse before the freebies that he still looked that much worse in losses.

I think this is likely confirmation bias. Our brains are terribly fickle.

 

[jayteeman]

Jalen might be the best UCONN senior not to make the NCAA tournament.....and possibly the best senior in the NCAA not in the tourney.....what a colossal disappointment for Jalen and our Huskies.

 

[UCDaveD]

Kind of odd to pound your chest about 1 game, tbh.

 

[RF79]

I don’t if it was the 4 weeks off being injured or actually realizing that his college career was coming to an end but this last game against albeit ecu JA looked the most focused to me this season. He didn’t come out like a scoring machine, but he actually showed his all around game. During the season he compiled a good part of his points while we were losing and the game was pretty much in the bag. IMO he played nowhere his potential or near what we needed as a senior leader of our damaged team. That win against Cuse definitely put my hopes up way too high. Im disappointed with this season but also trying to stay optimistic for our future.

 

[Scrutineer]

Agreed. I was going to post the same Mau until I saw yours. Since Jalen put on a UConn uniform, I never heard anybody hating this kid. Questions? Concerns? Sure that could be anybody on the team. But he word HATE and the lackluster phrase "Haters are going to hate" should somehow be banned. It is a ridiculous and immature statement. You cannot questions something without being a hater? Give me a break.

The words "hate" and "hater" have been used prolifically and irresponsibly for a number of years now. Primarily by those who can't or won't constructively discuss/debate an issue.

 

[Robertelamin]

I'm not going to go look to see when his points occurred in each game, but he had 11 games of 20+ points in 24 games played this year (45%) and 12 such occasions in 30 games last year (40%). So he was a more consistent scorer this year in general.

5 of the 11 20+ scores this year came in the 9 losses (not counting Temple) he played in, vs. 6 in 14 wins. This might be evidence of irrelevant points, but he only had 8 points in our biggest blowout loss this year (Villanova). It could also just mean he tried to force the issue more in games where he knew we were overmatched in talent otherwise, which would not necessarily make his points hollow.

He averaged an 118 ORTG in wins this year and 98 ORTG in losses. That's a pretty straight-forward correlation (and by definition applies to all players on all teams in aggregate), but would seem to suggest that if he did get easy points/boosted his efficiency in unassailable contests, it was either when in front (but the 20+ point stat refutes that) or he played so much worse before the freebies that he still looked that much worse in losses.

I think this is likely confirmation bias. Our brains are terribly fickle.

Why even bother. You are talking to a brick wall.

 

[uconnphil2016]

Jalen Adams should be better than he is. It seems like saying that makes someone a hater. He also hasn’t been the leader he’s needed to be. It’s not like he’s a bad player, he just had the potential to be more than he became here.

 

[Engineer90]

Just wondering. Is it possible to be critical of a player without being a "hater"?

 

[polycom]

Just wondering. Is it possible to be critical of a player without being a "hater"?

Yes, however not here on the yard.

 

[Excalibur]

Just wondering. Is it possible to be critical of a player without being a "hater"?

Yes, and it's pretty easy to tell the difference. There's been plenty of both here as it pertains to Adams.

 

[AdamaNation]

He didn't play hero ball this season, quite the opposite.

Last year. Also aac not Asia. Don’t know how that got there.

 

[AdamaNation]

Sorry @MervthePurvis, my reading comprehension sucks.

My typing is no work of art. Explains a lot of Mrs purvis’ire with Merv!!!

 

[J187Money]

You can believe that Jalen should have been much better this year and ALSO believe that the team is WAY better when he is on the floor.

 

[Rico444]

There were a bunch of people when Jalen got benched and others when he got hurt that basically said "Good riddance." THOSE are the haters that this post is directed at. You can criticize Jalen for not meeting his full potential, for sure, but the people that acted like this team would be better off without him or that he's not the best player on the team are who this thread is targeting.

 

[Kenny11]

I've been critical of Jalen but I'm not a hater. In fact, I always keep it 4hunnid.

I've defended Jalen on the suggestion that he's a punk, doesn't work hard, etc. He's actually a very good kid with a personality that his teammates and coaches love. Also, he worked very hard in the second half of his college career.

My problem with him was that he didn't improve his handle and outside jump shot enough throughout his time at UConn. But his talent is still immense, and it was so great to see him play with such joy the other day. He deserves to have fun playing basketball. There were too many games in his career that weren't fun, and most were not his fault.

 

[Deepster]

It's funny. There are haters and then there are people on the complete other end of the spectrum who anoint a guy like Adams as one of the best all time Huskies because of a decent game.

 

[Stainmaster]

then there are people on the complete other end of the spectrum who anoint a guy like Adams as one of the best all time Huskies because of a decent game.

No, there aren't.

 

[Kathy]

It's funny. There are haters and then there are people on the complete other end of the spectrum who anoint a guy like Adams as one of the best all time Huskies because of a decent game.

Funny 11th on career points and 9th in assists pretty darn good.
'Adams' career point total of 1,672 ranks 11th on UConn's all-time scoring list and second all-time among American Conference players. His 503 assists rank ninth at UConn and fourth all-time in the AAC.'

 

[raf46]

No Jalen haters to be found after today's performance.

As bad as the program has been the past few years, it would have been way worse without this kid. Not in game shape today yet he ran the offense unbelievably well.

12 assists and 1 TO.
He didn't have an outstanding day shooting(was a bit passive), but got Carlton and Polley going by setting them up with great looks. He had 2 or 3 NBA caliber assists in transition too.

Hoping Adams keeps it going and Gilbert can come back for the AAC tourney... You never know what could happen.

Anyone need a reminder of how important Jalen is? A picture says 1,000 words. View attachment 40764

He could have shut himself down, getting ready for hi pro career. Showed heart and courage to come back and play.

 

[Deepster]

Funny 11th on career points and 9th in assists pretty darn good.
'Adams' career point total of 1,672 ranks 11th on UConn's all-time scoring list and second all-time among American Conference players. His 503 assists rank ninth at UConn and fourth all-time in the AAC.'

Some of that is due to being a 4 year player. Caron Butler is #40 on the all-time scoring list. Would you take Caron or Adams?

 

[Kathy]

Some of that is due to being a 4 year player. Caron Butler is #40 on the all-time scoring list. Would you take Caron or Adams?

Scoring - 5 ahead of him were 4 year athletes and assists - 6 ahead of him were 4 year athletes- so I repeat pretty good considering the cast of characters he played with.

 

[superjohn]

Scoring - 5 ahead of him were 4 year athletes and assists - 6 ahead of him were 4 year athletes- so I repeat pretty good considering the cast of characters he played with.

Curious where you rank Jalen as an all-time Husky?

 

[bmayuc]

Can I hold the position that Jalen was really fun today and I'm happy he got the chance to lace them up for one final ride and also that his career has been disappointing?

Or do message boards not allow for nuanced positions?

 

[RayIsTheGOAT]

Jalen Adams should be better than he is. It seems like saying that makes someone a hater. He also hasn’t been the leader he’s needed to be. It’s not like he’s a bad player, he just had the potential to be more than he became here.

That's sort of disingenuous. I think everyone agrees that he should be better than he is.
The haters are the ones who say they are done with Jalen Adams and "ready to move on from the Jalen Adams era" and don't want to see him play anymore, even though we are a superior team with him vs. without him.

 

[Deepster]

Scoring - 5 ahead of him were 4 year athletes and assists - 6 ahead of him were 4 year athletes- so I repeat pretty good considering the cast of characters he played with.

And I repeat, Caron Butler is 40th in scoring.

 

[Kathy]

Curious where you rank Jalen as an all-time Husky?

Under the circumstances he played with - losing seasons, major injuries, losing players, coaching changes - he stayed and did all he could for this University. All-Time Husky status isn't all about stats, wins and losses. It is about your loyalty and dedication esp when times are tough.
I use the same criteria for all time fans - when people turn off a game because we're losing that's not being an all time fan - that is fair weather fan and in my view that doesn't cut it.

 

[RayIsTheGOAT]

One of the first times I've seen JA make all of his teammates better on the court, I'm still ready to move on from the Jalen Adams era but I love the heart he has shown the past few weeks on the bench and playing yesterday

You shouldn't be ready to "move on from the Jalen Adams era". That's pretty disrespectful to Jalen.
You are ready to move on from the KO era and the era of losing.
Despite his flaws, he has personally brought far more good to this program than bad. He happened to join at the wrong time in our program's history. I don't understand how some of you people don't see that or appreciate that.

 

[HawkHusky]

Fantastic player when he put in the effort. I thought he'd become a better leader, but then again, leading isn't for everyone. He will obviously be missed next season.

 

[Kathy]

And I repeat, Caron Butler is 40th in scoring.

In evaluating a players value there are many factors. Is Jalen more talented player than Caron - no, is he as bad as people say - another no. FYI - at least historically for UConn teams point guard have not usually been called on to be the team's leading scorer - 2 guards, wings and forwards have traditionally played that role. So when trying to compare Caron to Jalen it is like apples to oranges, roles differed, surrounding players differed.

 

[RayIsTheGOAT]

It's funny. There are haters and then there are people on the complete other end of the spectrum who anoint a guy like Adams as one of the best all time Huskies because of a decent game.

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