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Jacobs Article on Diallo

Shooting can sometimes be taught.

Ryan Boatright, AJ Price are two examples. Kemba Walker is another. Also, an argument can be made about Niels Giffey. Doesn't always work of course. Multiple examples of it not working too.

Point is, we have to hope kids like Vital and Jackson become the dead-eye shooters we have had in the recent past.

Few UConn kids came in ready to shoot. Rashad Anderson, Ray Allen, Albert Mouring. Not many more.
 
Stanley Robinson was a freak athlete who wasnt a great consistent shooter and yes had some other off the court issues, but could never put it together for the next level.
 
mauconnfan said:
"Hamidou is a freak athlete," Espinosa said. "Gifts God gave him, not many people have. But at the same time, there's a lot of guys who are 6-5, 6-6 who are athletic who can't shoot. He has got to separate himself. He has taken too many days off, especially this fall with us, not getting better. He has so many tools, but he has to get so much better, work harder every day and be mentally tougher."

Could have dodged a bullet which UConn wouldn't have wanted for a year and a half, his personal try out doing it his way?
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Not trying to kick a man when he is down, but Hamidou was exciting to me especially a season like the one we are having now, but he reminds me of Purvis. A fast and athletic gaurd he projects well should they improve from year to year... The whole Hami not being able to shoot only would have worked out for Uconn if we had good shooters at a few other positions. If he doesnt put in the work, in 2 years when he gets burried on Cals bench by the next great up and coming talent, he's going to be trying to transfer to Uconn.

Hami's best bet is to just jump to the NBA without playing college ball if he cant shoot. Although thats the beauty of UK, they can hide your weaknesses with other talented players, so it could workout for him. I guess we'll see what happens.
 
UconnFanNVa said:
Not trying to kick a man when he is down, but Hamidou was exciting to me especially a season like the one we are having now, but he reminds me of Purvis. A fast and athletic gaurd he projects well should they improve from year to year... The whole Hami not being able to shoot only would have worked out for Uconn if we had good shooters at a few other positions. If he doesnt put in the work, in 2 years when he gets burried on Cals bench by the next great up and coming talent, he's going to be trying to transfer to Uconn.

Hami's best bet is to just jump to the NBA without playing college ball if he cant shoot. Although thats the beauty of UK, they can hide your weaknesses with other talented players, so it could workout for him. I guess we'll see what happens.
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Rodney is not the athlete that Hamidou is. If you want comparisons for Hamidou, look at Gerald Green who is currently on the Celtics. Green is taller than Hami, but is just a super-athletic freak hi-flyer. 41% career FG%, but 9 teams in 11 years.

Still, 11 years in the NBA. Earning about $1m this year.

In other words, even given Hami's current skills, there may be a place for him in the NBA. No matter what Espinosa says, those kids are not a dime a dozen.
 
Matrim55 said:
This is fair. But just like it's rational to expect it to take a while to rebuild the roster into a top 15 team, it stands to reason that it's rational to expect it to take a while for us to rebuild our ability to recruit top 15 players.
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Not to your point about recruiting, but about rebuilding into a top 15 team: do you realize that we've been ranked preseason in the #15-20 range each of the last 3 years, only to quickly fall out of the rankings and not return?

National writers expected this program to remain -- if not elite/dominant -- at least consistent and respectable, and we've failed spectacularly at that. And it may be affecting recruiting.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
I never felt like missing out on Diallo would harm us most on the court. Lord knows we have enough guys who can't shoot and who struggle in the half-court.

My concern was always about the perception of our program and the impact on future elite recruits. That remains to be seen.
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There will likely be a slight hit to our perception due to Diallo spurning UConn and picking Kentucky. But it won't be huge (it is Kentucky after all--every other school not named Kentucky is battling the same problem).

However, we would have taken a MASSIVE hit to our perception if he had picked UConn and then seen his stock free-fall and not get drafted in 2018. With this article from his PSA coach, there has to be some question as to whether he will be able to get past being a 6'5 incredible athlete and be a real SG prospect for the NBA. If UConn had signed this "can't miss prospect" and then he flopped, our perception among the elite recruits would be severely hurt, and you know every other coach would kill UConn on the recruiting trail with "the cautionary tale of Diallo at UConn." Obviously KO and all of us really wanted him, so it may be sour grapes. But given the quotes from the PSA coach, UConn may have dodged a bullet for our future ability to recruit elite HS players with Diallo picking KY.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
Not to your point about recruiting, but about rebuilding into a top 15 team: do you realize that we've been ranked preseason in the #15-20 range each of the last 3 years, only to quickly fall out of the rankings and not return?
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Our conference situation means that we have to load up on marquee early season non-conference games for RPI purposes. So you're being forced to win high level games early in the season while integrating new players. It's not the sole reason for what you're referring to but it certainly doesn't help matters that UConn can't wait for its conference season to build a tourney resume.
 
I actually don't think it'll be a huge hit. The fact UConn was in it till the end with just UK says enough. Ollie needs to get the ship right....
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Not to your point about recruiting, but about rebuilding into a top 15 team: do you realize that we've been ranked preseason in the #15-20 range each of the last 3 years, only to quickly fall out of the rankings and not return?

National writers expected this program to remain -- if not elite/dominant -- at least consistent and respectable, and we've failed spectacularly at that.
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National writers are often wrong. I'm skeptical of any program that goes into the season with a question mark or a non-PG at PG (which we have for each of the last three years), and of any program that struggles to rebound the ball (which we usually have), or any program that loses their best player after each season (which has been the case each of the last three years).

To put it another way: As soon as Hamilton declared, it was ridiculous to think we'd be a top 15 team this season. You can't lose your 3 best players from the year before and be an elite team unless you recruit like Duke, UK or Kansas. Even Michigan State is learning that lesson.

The good news? Adams answers two of those huge questions because if he returns:
  • We return our best player year-over-year for the first time since Bazz
  • We enter the season with a true, experienced PG for the first time since Bazz
If he leaves we're kind of boned, of course.
And it may be affecting recruiting.
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And yet in 2016+2017 we've had 9 players enter the program so far
  • Four are top-50 recruits (AG, MAL, Larrier, JD)
  • Two others are consensus 4-stars (Jackson, Polley)
  • The other three are high 3/borderline 4-stars (Diarra, Vital, Carleton)
Plus we still have room to add a highly recruited JuCo in Olden and a step-into-the-lineup postgrad big man. In terms of pure volume of contributors, that compares well on paper to any two-year haul under Calhoun save for the 1996+97 and 2008+09 recruiting classes.

The glass is neither half full nor half empty. It's 3/4s full, and the future is bright despite this winter of discontent.
 
Marat said:
Interesting article and inside details about him from the coach.

I'm still very optimistic on our 2017-2018 team next season without Diallo. and would love to face UK next year.
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Very excited for the triple threat ball handling of Jalen (assuming he stays), Alterique & MAL. Something we've sorely been missing this season. Bright future is ahead
 
upstater said:
Shooting can sometimes be taught.

Ryan Boatright, AJ Price are two examples. Kemba Walker is another. Also, an argument can be made about Niels Giffey. Doesn't always work of course. Multiple examples of it not working too.

Point is, we have to hope kids like Vital and Jackson become the dead-eye shooters we have had in the recent past.

Few UConn kids came in ready to shoot. Rashad Anderson, Ray Allen, Albert Mouring. Not many more.
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I'd like to think you are right when hoping for improvement in the off season. Thought Jalen would have been more improved, but Jackson and Vital have the basics already. I'd like a knock down 3 point shooter added.
 
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upstater said:
Shooting can sometimes be taught.

Ryan Boatright, AJ Price are two examples. Kemba Walker is another. Also, an argument can be made about Niels Giffey. Doesn't always work of course. Multiple examples of it not working too.

Point is, we have to hope kids like Vital and Jackson become the dead-eye shooters we have had in the recent past.

Few UConn kids came in ready to shoot. Rashad Anderson, Ray Allen, Albert Mouring. Not many more.
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Vital as a nice looking shot. Just needs to learn coming off of screens, get more confidence, etc. Vance has a shot but needs confidence but also he is very good at rebounding and getting into the lane with the dribble. They're going to be tremendous players for he program going forward. This year of play will help them immensely
 
Wow...very surprised at that level of honesty from the PSA coach. These are all things that he has obviously expressed to Hamidou privately but its rare to see a HS coach talk like that in the media.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
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if u ready my message, i said Robinson was a freak athlete but not a great consistent shooter who couldnt put it together for the next level (NBA), not sure what the revisionist history comment is about
 
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Letsgohuskies11 said:
Stanley Robinson was a freak athlete who wasnt a great consistent shooter and yes had some other off the court issues, but could never put it together for the next level.
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You sure it wasn't the fact that Daniel Orton was guaranteed a roster spot cause he was drafted first round and Dwight Howard offered Sticks to live with him and train because the whole team and organization knew he deserved that last roster spot but salary cap issues led to him being cut.

Then 2 achilles injuries further derailed his career. If not for Orton Sticks would be a nba bench player
 
UconnFanNVa said:
Not trying to kick a man when he is down, but Hamidou was exciting to me especially a season like the one we are having now, but he reminds me of Purvis. A fast and athletic gaurd he projects well should they improve from year to year... The whole Hami not being able to shoot only would have worked out for Uconn if we had good shooters at a few other positions. If he doesnt put in the work, in 2 years when he gets burried on Cals bench by the next great up and coming talent, he's going to be trying to transfer to Uconn.

Hami's best bet is to just jump to the NBA without playing college ball if he cant shoot. Although thats the beauty of UK, they can hide your weaknesses with other talented players, so it could workout for him. I guess we'll see what happens.
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Yea, I don't agree with this at all. The idea that Hamidou "can't shoot" feels like an overstatement. He's not a great shooter, but he's a better athlete with much better measurables than Purvis. Maybe he never becomes a good shooter and maybe he never has a long pro career, but he can affect the game in a lot of ways with his current skillset.
 
UConnSportsGuy said:
There will likely be a slight hit to our perception due to Diallo spurning UConn and picking Kentucky. But it won't be huge (it is Kentucky after all--every other school not named Kentucky is battling the same problem).

However, we would have taken a MASSIVE hit to our perception if he had picked UConn and then seen his stock free-fall and not get drafted in 2018. With this article from his PSA coach, there has to be some question as to whether he will be able to get past being a 6'5 incredible athlete and be a real SG prospect for the NBA. If UConn had signed this "can't miss prospect" and then he flopped, our perception among the elite recruits would be severely hurt, and you know every other coach would kill UConn on the recruiting trail with "the cautionary tale of Diallo at UConn." Obviously KO and all of us really wanted him, so it may be sour grapes. But given the quotes from the PSA coach, UConn may have dodged a bullet for our future ability to recruit elite HS players with Diallo picking KY.
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That is also true, but the fact that KO's only NBA player is struggling to get minutes on his 3rd team in 3 years doesn't help either.

Basically, I don't think going 0-for-0 on getting Diallo to the NBA is much better than if we had gone 0-for-1.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Our conference situation means that we have to load up on marquee early season non-conference games for RPI purposes. So you're being forced to win high level games early in the season while integrating new players. It's not the sole reason for what you're referring to but it certainly doesn't help matters that UConn can't wait for its conference season to build a tourney resume.
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It's not ideal, I agree, but that is the reality.

Unfortunately, even accounting for those difficulties of integrating new players, KO hasn't done a good job of having the team ready to play right away, with this year the most egregious failure.
 
methodology said:
You sure it wasn't the fact that Daniel Orton was guaranteed a roster spot cause he was drafted first round and Dwight Howard offered Sticks to live with him and train because the whole team and organization knew he deserved that last roster spot but salary cap issues led to him being cut.

Then 2 achilles injuries further derailed his career. If not for Orton Sticks would be a nba bench player
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I doubt that Daniel Orton was the only obstacle in his way to make the NBA, otherwise he could have been invited to try out for another team or play through the d league to get another shot.
 
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Letsgohuskies11 said:
tough to tell with some of these posters on this board
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If you were here more than twenty minutes you would have known his reference. There was some poster who claimed Stanley had only average athleticism. There was no way to convince this person otherwise.

BigErn is sarcastically referencing that individual.
 
andy34 said:
Yea, I don't agree with this at all. The idea that Hamidou "can't shoot" feels like an overstatement. He's not a great shooter, but he's a better athlete with much better measurables than Purvis. Maybe he never becomes a good shooter and maybe he never has a long pro career, but he can affect the game in a lot of ways with his current skillset.
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How many times have you seen him play? He really, really can't shoot. Everything his coach said sounds pretty accurate to me.
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
I doubt that Daniel Orton was the only obstacle in his way to make the NBA, otherwise he could have been invited to try out for another team or play through the d league to get another shot.
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I know Sticks very well Orton is the only reason he got cut. Stan van gundy cried while cutting him saying he deserved the spot over Orton but they couldn't do it because Orton his roster spot guaranteed. He went to the dleague and got injured right before he was going to be called up and subsequently waived by rio grande Valley because of his injury.

You honestly don't know what you're talking about regarding his career
 
fleudslipcon said:
If you were here more than twenty minutes you would have known his reference. There was some poster who claimed Stanley had only average athleticism. There was no way to convince this person otherwise.

BigErn is sarcastically referencing that individual.
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I refuse to believe that BigErn was being sarcastic. That's not like him.
 
methodology said:
I know Sticks very well Orton is the only reason he got cut. Stan van gundy cried while cutting him saying he deserved the spot over Orton but they couldn't do it because Orton his roster spot guaranteed. He went to the dleague and got injured right before he was going to be called up and subsequently waived by rio grande Valley because of his injury.

You honestly don't know what you're talking about regarding his career
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Whats sticks up to these days?
 
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