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"It's a Loss. It's not crushing us"

August_West said:
You are reaching. And I said in the game thread “ don’t celebrate yet” but that is not grounds for being an unlikeable kid. Especially with so little to get pumped about this year.

For everyone else.
The other thing about Adams. If you claim you don’t like Adams but list Napier as a favorite player you are a front runner based solely on winning results as a personality judgement. Their personalities are eerily identical . In fact bazz may have been a touch more petulant. Just saying.
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I like Bazz and Adams both very much. But I would be lying if I said Adams does not have traits that potentially make him less likeable. I think his upside (at least from a physical tools standpoint) is much higher than Bazz's. But Bazz's understanding of the game was and is through the roof.
 
August_West said:
You are reaching. And I said in the game thread “ don’t celebrate yet” but that is not grounds for being an unlikeable kid. Especially with so little to get pumped about this year.

For everyone else.
The other thing about Adams. If you claim you don’t like Adams but list Napier as a favorite player you are a front runner based solely on winning results as a personality judgement. Their personalities are eerily identical . In fact bazz may have been a touch more petulant. Just saying.
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I’ve never warmed up to Adams. I’m sure some of that is results based. But I like Vital and Cobb and I liked Vance Jackson so it’s it’s not just results.

I always liked Boat more than Napier.
 
August_West said:
For everyone else.
The other thing about Adams. If you claim you don’t like Adams but list Napier as a favorite player you are a front runner based solely on winning results as a personality judgement. Their personalities are eerily identical . In fact bazz may have been a touch more petulant. Just saying.
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I've thought about this a lot. Like you, during the 2013-14 regular season I was down on Bazz at times for his inconsistent play (often the story of two different halves) and his petulance, and I really questioned whether he could play up to his potential consistently enough for us to go deep in the tourney--especially after that Louisville slaughter at the end of the season. We all know what happened.

I've chirped similarly about Jalen's attitude, but for the reason you state I have tried to withhold judgment until I can see more. And no question Jalen has a much weaker supporting cast.

That said, I have been watching him more closely of late, both on court and off, and agree with you that Bazz was more petulant; I think Jalen is just wired differently, so I disagree that they eerily identical. He's got a different motor than Bazz. Jalen has some physical advantages over Bazz, but I don't think he's as mentally strong, as smart or as able to shift gears as effectively as Bazz was. And he's not as good of a passer, shooter or ball handler either. I don't know this, but I suspect that Bazz has a stronger work ethic and focus on what he wants.
 
August_West said:
The other thing about Adams. If you claim you don’t like Adams but list Napier as a favorite player you are a front runner based solely on winning results as a personality judgement. Their personalities are eerily identical . In fact bazz may have been a touch more petulant. Just saying.
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Are you sayin' or are you just sayin'? It doesn't matter. You're full of it either way. Adams can't touch Bazz as a player or a leader.
 
Waquoit said:
Are you sayin' or are you just sayin'? It doesn't matter. You're full of it either way. Adams can't touch Bazz as a player or a leader.
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Bazz (at least on the College level) reminded me of guys like Nadav Henefeld and Larry Bird in that their court savvy enabled them to achieve far more than their athleticism would suggest.

Kemba is a different sort of player. His toughness, motor, resolve and body control are all off the charts.
 
8893 said:
I've thought about this a lot. Like you, during the 2013-14 regular season I was down on Bazz at times for his inconsistent play (often the story of two different halves) and his petulance, and I really questioned whether he could play up to his potential consistently enough for us to go deep in the tourney--especially after that Louisville slaughter at the end of the season. We all know what happened.

I've chirped similarly about Jalen's attitude, but for the reason you state I have tried to withhold judgment until I can see more. And no question Jalen has a much weaker supporting cast.

That said, I have been watching him more closely of late, both on court and off, and agree with you that Bazz was more petulant; I think Jalen is just wired differently, so I disagree that they eerily identical. He's got a different motor than Bazz. Jalen has some physical advantages over Bazz, but I don't think he's as mentally strong, as smart or as able to shift gears as effectively as Bazz was. And he's not as good of a passer, shooter or ball handler either. I don't know this, but I suspect that Bazz has a stronger work ethic and focus on what he wants.
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I think the real similarity in bazz and Adams personality is the difficulty in leadership role.(bazz really in his JR year but remember the awkward grab and throw of boat during the NC game) The look on teammates faces when adams is telling them what to do in huddles tells alot especially Larrier. I hope adams can figure it out and he does need another year in my opinion to work on this and his game. I think game wise Adams is far superior as a drive and finish guy, but not even close as a shooter or passer. So Adams might find more success in the NBA if he works hard enough on shooting and passing.
Bazz had Kemba and then Boat as a partner. Vital, Anderson come on! can't shine their shoes. We all miss Gilbert tremendously!
 
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Waquoit said:
Got me. Willful ignorance gets me every time.
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Recognizing your shortcomings is the first step of correcting them. Congrats on the 1st step of your journey. Godspeed.
 
August_West said:
Recognizing your shortcomings is the first step of correcting them. Congrats on the 1st step of your journey. Godspeed.
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Of course I was talking about your willful ignorance. Can you see Jalen Adams ever doing this?
 
Waquoit said:
Of course I was talking about your willful ignorance. Can you see Jalen Adams ever doing this?
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No you weren’t. And you are the absolute revisionist front runner I was talking about when conflating bazz winning with his personality.

And bazz is one of my favorite huskies of all time. But I can make a distinction between his success and how he carried himself on court at times.

I mean he almost pushed boatright to the floor in a title game!

He got so mad at teammates on an empty late possession one time that he purposely fouled an opponent 75 feet from a basket and put them on the foul line in an ultimate hissy fit. ( like the one you’re having now)
 
August_West said:
No you weren’t. And you are the absolute revisionist front runner I was talking about when conflating bazz winning with his personality.

And bazz is one of my favorite huskies of all time. But I can make a distinction between his success and how he carried himself on court at times.

I mean he almost pushed boatright to the floor in a title game!

He got so mad at teammates on an empty late possession one time that he purposely fouled an opponent 75 feet from a basket and put them on the foul line in an ultimate hissy fit. ( like the one you’re having now)
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What games was that foul in? I vaguely recall that.
 
August_West said:
No you weren’t. And you are the absolute revisionist front runner I was talking about when conflating bazz winning with his personality.

And bazz is one of my favorite huskies of all time. But I can make a distinction between his success and how he carried himself on court at times.

I mean he almost pushed boatright to the floor in a title game!

He got so mad at teammates on an empty late possession one time that he purposely fouled an opponent 75 feet from a basket and put them on the foul line in an ultimate hissy fit. ( like the one you’re having now)
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So you're a (poor) mindreader now? Or are you just a Roddy Piper wannabe, when someone else has an answer, you change the questions. My brief comment made no reference to "personality" or the way "he carried himself on court at times". In fact, since I was your inspiration I went back a month to find examples where I "conflat[ed] bazz winning with his personality." I couldn't find any (This is where a lesser poster would say "I'm obviously in your head" but I hate that nonsense).

And what is the point of your last two sentences?
 
8893 said:
Agreed, with the possible exception of Kemba.
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selles said:
In fairness, I think this would be true of a comparison between Bazz and virtually anyone else.
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Meh, maybe in the last few years. But if you are going back, there's plenty of guys in that conversation, Ray Allen first and foremost. Ray was psychotic in high school, never mind college and the pros. Emeka. Caron. And a whole host of others.
 
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intlzncster said:
Meh, maybe in the last few years. But if you are going back, there's plenty of guys in that conversation, Ray Allen first and foremost. Ray was psychotic in high school, never mind college and the pros. Emeka. Caron. And a whole host of others.
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I only started watching games in 2011.
 
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