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Is anyone else concerned?

Not reading all the posts.

Put me in category of OP being a maron.

At least three of the commits had multiple FBS offers.

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Those are some powerhouse FBS.


Recruiting has changed. In RE 1 I doubt we had a single commitment in May unless it was a late signing for the upcoming season. Now you get guys to commit BEFORE their senior year. Add the covid 19 impact and the fact that we always recruited at the margins anyway and I’m not overly worried. I suspect we might be trying to protect a couple of these kids come December. And we only need a couple of guys to turn into Lutrus or Fincher. A few from each class. Which we have been missing

that’s not good. These guys might be the best we get all year or indicative of what else is to come.
 
Those are some powerhouse FBS.




that’s not good. These guys might be the best we get all year or indicative of what else is to come.

Concession fully acknowledged.

Goal post moved.

Fall on your sword and rot away.

All but one verbal has multiple FBS offers.
 
Concession fully acknowledged.

Goal post moved.

Fall on your sword and rot away.

All but one verbal has multiple FBS offers.

The goal posts haven’t moved. Try reading before you counter, look before you leap Seaman.
 
I understand the point, but I’m trying to find things to be optimistic about these days and not just UCFB, so ....

we have 5 recruits,2 of whom are rated 3 stars by services that want nothing to do with promoting us

no camps or 7-on-7s are happening, which has changed everything in terms of recruiting.

we have a tough story to sell - bad decade, no conf., no bowl tie in, no good press

we have no reason for FL or TX kids to come here and yet we have. And add in a local speedster.

there’s stuff to be concerned about these days. These 5 kids should not make your top 25
 
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We are doing a poor job using the portal to pick up P5 grade talent. It’s the fastest way to reverse direction. Lower the admission standards, promise immediate play time and watch what happens. Tulane used the portal with great results. Our guy is still recruiting in the PA rust belt looking for lunch pail Jimmies in the mills.
 
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We are doing a poor job using the portal to pick up P5 grade talent. It’s the fastest way to reverse direction. Lower the admission standards, promise immediate play time and watch what happens. Tulane used the portal with great results. Our guy is still recruiting in the PA rust belt looking for lunch pail Jimmies in the mills.

I agree with this.

why/how would we be able to recruit at the P5 level right now? I’m just happy we have some 3-star commits that flash on tape, and are from high schools in the likes of TX/FL, plus a local kid to boot...
 
Its not pro sports - so it is indeed a true why bother. Stick to pro sports if you want a fan environment that supports negative energy. College athletics isn't the place.

don’t be a baby. Schools are talking about having just the athletes come back to school. Stop buying into the shame of amateurism. The critique isn’t even really of the players it’s of the professional coach who is god awful at his job. Stop bringing in kids who don’t belong at this level
 
After the last 3+ years it should be clear to everyone that if you recruit an entire roster of kids with FCS/low FBS Offers you are going to lose 7-10 games and find yourself battling teams like Maine late in the 4th Quarter.

Other than blind optimism, what reason is there to believe that the same level of recruiting by the same coaches will bring different on field results in the future? I just can’t see it.

Randy will still land a few under recruited Cam Ross Types every class who eventually play on Sundays, that said his overall recruiting pitch and on field coaching style falls flat.

There should be no reason that a program offering the football facilities, name brand recognition, and overall degree value of a school like UConn should be recruiting at a Conference USA or Sunbelt Level. It may currently be even below that. Something has to change...
 
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We should clearly be beating out other fbs programs and pulling in top talent with our recent success. Just doesn’t make any sense.

Edsall is stubborn to a fault but I trust his eye for talent given what we have to work with at this point. I also predict that these recruits people are distraught by right now will have name brand offers coming their way in the future ....but will the worriers tune change?
 
We should clearly be beating out other fbs programs and pulling in top talent with our recent success. Just doesn’t make any sense.

Edsall is stubborn to a fault but I trust his eye for talent given what we have to work with at this point. I also predict that these recruits people are distraught by right now will have name brand offers coming their way in the future ....but will the worriers tune change?

And if they get better offers & dump UConn, the concerned will still blame Edsall. It's a no-win situation for the concerned.
 
don’t be a baby. Schools are talking about having just the athletes come back to school. Stop buying into the shame of amateurism. The critique isn’t even really of the players it’s of the professional coach who is god awful at his job. Stop bringing in kids who don’t belong at this level
Boy this will be so cathartic, let’s start ripping it up.
 
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How did you descend so far into denial?
I’m not in denial. I see no point in having the same discussions that have been had the past three seasons until we see what happens on the field this year. I do choose to find silver linings where I can as a fan and supporter of the program. The next window to make a coaching change is mid November to mid December 2020. I see zero gained and all pain talking about any change until we get to that window. Recruiting is a sales business and I see absolutely nothing good for prospects and their parents when we are slaying the recruiting results 5 kids into a 20-25 man class. Lets get to 12 or so kids before we unleash “frank” discussion. Looking at the fiscal problems in this state you have to wonder how many coaching changes are left for this program anyway.
 
Recruiting IS what builds a program.

And it doesn't happen overnight. There is a build up...a decent class, then a little better class, then a better class.....a bellwether recruit or two that draw attention will help.

Three good classes allows for more wins which makes bringing another good class easier....it's like a train leaving the station and once speed is built up, it is easier to maintain.

Clickety clack, clickety clack.
 
Edsall does have some disadvantages to work with in recruiting.

1....Brand and tradition
......UConn is still a new guy on the block when it comes to FBS football. When you say "UConn", high school kids aren't yet thinking "good football school". But it can turn around. It is analogous to southern football schools that have been attempting to build basketball programs. Recruits didn't think..."oh, a good basketball school".

2....Local Recruiting area
.....There aren't a bunch of 4 star athletes in the region who have grown up as UConn football fans. Edsall must cast the net where there are fish.

3.....The Coach as Salesman
.....There can be a "Elmer Gantry" effect. Some energetic coaches have been able to sell their vision like Gantry sold religion to small town America. Dabo is one of those type recruiters.

.....A test of this will be BC's new hire, Jeff Hafley. At Ohio State he was recognized as a top recruiter and loaded up the team with a national list of talents from New Jersey, Texas, Florida, etc. Can he sell at Boston College? It won't be as easy as at OSU.
 
Those are some powerhouse FBS.




that’s not good. These guys might be the best we get all year or indicative of what else is to come.
Jeez, Navy is a Top25 team in many preseason polls. So there‘s that. But again, we aren’t in the mix for 4-5 star guys. We are as we always have Ben recruiting mostly kids who are projects. A lot of these guys look like they have some talent but are not finished products. We’ll see. Top programs aren’t looking at them. I‘ll use Fincher as an example just because I knew a guy who was on the BC staff at the time. He recruited Fincher. Loved him Because he had size, speed and all the intangibles. But ultimately they didn’t offer because they had other guys who were more finished products. BC felt they would have to invest too much time and effort to teach him how to play linebacker. He was headed to New Hampshire until we signed him. He played 4 years for us and was all big East iirc. Now not all kids are that but he is an example of what we are after. Guys with an upside that bigger programs decide to pass on for whatever reason. Then you add the covid factor and the earlier recruiting season and it’s really hard to evaluate. If these are the best we get we can hope that they are better in person than on paper.
 
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Member when we used to pride ourselves in beating Rutgers, BC, and Cuse for recruits?

I member.

We have to have a season where we win 5+ games to even begin to get back to there. And let's not inflate our memories (not saying you have per se), we beat those others schools only occasionally back in our Big East hay days and thats when we were on equal footing conference wise.

I'm not resigned to mediocrity, just being frank. There is a progression we will have to follow....no path to instant momentum.
 
We have to have a season where we win 5+ games to even begin to get back to there. And let's not inflate our memories (not saying you have per se), we beat those others schools only occasionally back in our Big East hay days and thats when we were on equal footing conference wise.

I'm not resigned to mediocrity, just being frank. There is a progression we will have to follow....no path to instant momentum.
Correct, just would like some sign of pulling out of a death spiral. Right now we are just convincing ourselves that *this* time will be different, despite recruiting at the same level of the last 5 years.

As a fan, of course I hope it is different this time. But I’ve seen this story play out far too often.
 
Correct, just would like some sign of pulling out of a death spiral. Right now we are just convincing ourselves that *this* time will be different, despite recruiting at the same level of the last 5 years.

As a fan, of course I hope it is different this time. But I’ve seen this story play out far too often.
There is no alternative. Ride the train or get off and look to reboard in December.
 
That happened infrequently even when at our peak success, and it’s not happening now without a conference affiliation.
Oh of course. We are nowhere near that. But we sure loved comparable FBS offers when it suited us. Now for some reason they don’t matter.
 
Oh of course. We are nowhere near that. But we sure loved comparable FBS offers when it suited us. Now for some reason they don’t matter.

Honestly don’t understand your point. I simply stated that even in our hay day we infrequently beat those schools for recruits.
 
But we sure loved comparable FBS offers when it suited us. Now for some reason they don’t matter.

Strawman argument. You are actively complaining in a thread complaining about recruiting while simultaneously complaining that people no longer complain. :confused:
 
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This is a difficult topic. But it really needs to be discussed. About pretty much every recruit we are signing isn't clearly being recruited actively at FBS level. It's not a opinion, it's fact. Some of these guys aren't even holding offers from top FCS level programs.

Any kid who is playing at the FCS/FBS level is elite. They are standouts, every single one of them have highlight films that are the envy of most HS football players.

I get that Edsall is a good assessor of talent. I get that over a decade ago he found guys like Jasper Howard and Scott Lutrus. Players that panned out and would be right at home in any Top 10 Football Program. Recruits like that weren't the majority of the of the class. There were 2-3 of them at the most.

We also were at least beating out MAC level FBS programs. Maybe one or two of them had offers from a CAA school or two.

Pretty much every single recruit appears to be solid model citizens. But is this level of talent really going to get us back to being a 4,5,6 or 7 win team?

I hope I am wrong and totally off base. Maybe FBS offers will roll in later for these guys and we will still keep their commitments.

But, I'm really, really skeptical at this point. Convince me I am wrong.
Iam a big sports fan almost any sport and I really hate to say this but Uconn does not belong in football.Think about it who would want to come to Uconn what do we offer.The good players come to a school as a stepping stone to the NFL.They go to a power 5 school to showcase there skills and play better competition .and get drafted higher.Better everything,better coaches,better conference in the end we have a hard time getting by lower grade schools
 
I think people may be surprised at the number of kids Edsall has brought in here after 1/17 with P5 and AAC level offers and recruiting needs to improve.
 
Correct, just would like some sign of pulling out of a death spiral. Right now we are just convincing ourselves that *this* time will be different, despite recruiting at the same level of the last 5 years.

As a fan, of course I hope it is different this time. But I’ve seen this story play out far too often.

You are describing mild insanity. I don’t see anything that indicates things will improve.
 
This was RE's mo his 1st time around-getting quality kids with a good academic background and building them up. He is not in a position to turn many down. He will get another year because this one will probably be cancelled.
 
Iam a big sports fan almost any sport and I really hate to say this but Uconn does not belong in football.Think about it who would want to come to Uconn what do we offer.The good players come to a school as a stepping stone to the NFL.They go to a power 5 school to showcase there skills and play better competition .and get drafted higher.Better everything,better coaches,better conference in the end we have a hard time getting by lower grade schools
You understand there are players stock piled on benches that at best won’t see more than special teams work and better than we can recruit from HS. Got to exploit the portal. There are tons of disaffected kids on these rosters that would love PT . Some love wearing the logo more than playing time. But, many are pissed and looking for a shot. We have to be much better poachers.
 
Honestly don’t understand your point. I simply stated that even in our hay day we infrequently beat those schools for recruits.
Strawman argument. You are actively complaining in a thread complaining about recruiting while simultaneously complaining that people no longer complain. :confused:
There is no straw man argument. There’s no active complaining. There’s just facts that when you recruit FCS kids you get FCS results. You can agree or disagree I really dgaf. I’ve been as big a supporter of football as possible since graduating UConn in 2001. I thought Pasqualoni could run the table in year 3. I thought Diaco’s zaniness would work out. Guess what? Facts don’t back that up. And the facts aren’t kind to Randy v2. So - back to the OP and the point of this thread - of course I’m concerned about where our recruiting is at. I’d love more than anyone to be wrong. But y’all can go ahead with the positive vibes only tour and we’ll see how that goes. Good luck.
 
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