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Chief00 said:
Good analogy. Enter Cliff his last season. Two pros if not for Earl’s off court issues.
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And Perno didn't give Cliff any real playing time until late in the year. I'm not even disgusted anymore, I'm just sad (not amused).
 
Fishy said:
Do you want Kevin Ollie back next season?
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Can I answer yes but with a caveat?

If there are no transfers and Adams returns ( I'll accept larrier gone as a foregone conclusion based on preseason comments) and no recruiting decommits, I feel that KO should get next season with a full squad to show that he can do this.

If we have another off season like the last one and it proves it's not an abberation or some issues that were corrected that caused last seasons scalitoshow then the off court commitment stuff and internal team handling is an obvious repeating issue and he's got to go. Because if players won't stay and play for him for whatever reason, we will never have a chance to get better. Ever.

So my answer boils down to this. If off the court stuff rears its ugly head again, this year he has to go.

If not then he gets next year to be judged entirely on on court performance with a full healthy squad with some court time under their belts. If he can't coax 23-24 wins at minimum out of next year's squad ( as mentioned above, everyone back but larrier plus recruits) then he has to go then .
 
August_West said:
Can I answer yes but with a caveat?

If there are no transfers and Adams returns ( I'll accept larrier gone as a foregone conclusion based on preseason comments) and no recruiting decommits, I feel that KO should get next season with a full squad to show that he can do this.

If we have another off season like the last one and it proves it's not an abberation or some issues that were corrected that caused last seasons scalitoshow then the off court commitment stuff and internal team handling is an obvious repeating issue and he's got to go. Because if players won't stay and play for him for whatever reason, we will never have a chance to get better. Ever.

So my answer boils down to this. If off the court stuff rears its ugly head again, this year he has to go.

If not then he gets next year to be judged entirely on on court performance with a full healthy squad with some court time under their belts. If he can't coax 23-24 wins at minimum out of next year's squad ( as mentioned above, everyone back but larrier plus recruits) then he has to go then .
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You could really sit through another year of this brand of basketball? I mean, this is tough to watch. Like bad.
 
August_West said:
Can I answer yes but with a caveat?

If there are no transfers and Adams returns ( I'll accept larrier gone as a foregone conclusion based on preseason comments) and no recruiting decommits, I feel that KO should get next season with a full squad to show that he can do this.

If we have another off season like the last one and it proves it's not an abberation or some issues that were corrected that caused last seasons scalitoshow then the off court commitment stuff and internal team handling is an obvious repeating issue and he's got to go. Because if players won't stay and play for him for whatever reason, we will never have a chance to get better. Ever.

So my answer boils down to this. If off the court stuff rears its ugly head again, this year he has to go.

If not then he gets next year to be judged entirely on on court performance with a full healthy squad with some court time under their belts. If he can't coax 23-24 wins at minimum out of next year's squad ( as mentioned above, everyone back but larrier plus recruits) then he has to go then .
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Ok, fine answer. Now, what if Gilbert gets hurt again? Will you give him another one year pass to see what he can di with a healthy team? What if Adams gets hurt? I am fine with your original hypothetical. I am just throwing out some twists to see what you would want in those slightly altered scenarios.

Basically, let's say everyone stats except Larrier, as you proposed. And, let's say, you give Ollie one more year based on that. Is he judged after that year on performance, regardless of injuries or suspensions or transfers that might occur mid-season? Or is there a scenario where you give yet another year?
 
August_West said:
Can I answer yes but with a caveat?.
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And let's say we give you and Ollie that. What can be done to make next season better? Because just saying "OK Kevin, we're giving you another year" won't cut it. Do we insist on bringing in a new coach? Make the guys practice more 3-pointers? Counting on a switch going off suddenly is a long shot in my opinion.
 
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Waquoit said:
And let's say we give you and Ollie that. What can be to make next season better? Because just saying "OK Kevin, we're giving you another year" won't cut it. Do we insist on bringing in a new coach? Make the guys practice more 3-pointers? Counting on a switch going off suddenly is a long shot in my opinion.
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I think an HGH program should be mandatory no matter what comes.
 
zls44 said:
This team is not talented. They are not good basketball players. That's in no way a pass for KO, but if you think this team of bad basketball players with no basketball IQ and a total allergic reaction to "dribbling" can win 20 games outside of a YMCA league you are out of your mind.
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You’d think UConn fans would learn. Since we spent the last years watching the exact same thing happen.

Then you remember - oh this is the only school in the country where there are three fanbases and they all hold each other in contempt.
 
intlzncster said:
You could really sit through another year of this brand of basketball? I mean, this is tough to watch. Like bad.
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Yup .
" Brand of basketball"

This " brand of basketball" won us a natty 4 years ago. It's no different.

The difference is the players. Now buck stops with coach there too. Not making excuse. Absolutely. But I still believe this is a winning "brand of basketball"

I mean I just watched the game on DVR a couple hours ago. Jalen Adams deserves a better supporting cast around him. I want to cry for him. We simply don't have anyone on our squad besides Jalen that belongs on the floor with Nova. Not one. Early in the game Jalen was playing a masterful floor general game . Our brand of hoops got us some great looks . But no one can do anything even when put in spots to succeed. Larrier was a disaster. Vital is maddening. And it gets worse from there. Anderson has to play, but good grief. Carlton coming along well. Next year he will belong the floor with Nova. So will Jalen so will Alterique. Those are a nice foundation to work with.

KO fails a lot of tests. But the players are failing too.
 
Tuna said:
What a hero. I bet once the seats behind him started filling up, he rolled that sign up, tucked it away and it hasn't seen the light of day since.
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Better we should let clowns lead us to the land of ECU because we are afraid no one will ever love us.

You are the true hero. Hold the program in such low regard that we should just lose every game because we can’t possibly hire a better coach.
 
August_West said:
Yup .
" Brand of basketball"

This " brand of basketball" won us a natty 4 years ago. It's no different.

The difference is the players. Now buck stops with coach there too. Not making excuse. Absolutely. But I still believe this is a winning "brand of basketball"

I mean I just watched the game on DVR a couple hours ago. Jalen Adams deserves a better supporting cast around him. I want to cry for him. We simply don't have anyone on our squad besides Jalen that belongs on the floor with Nova. Not one. Early in the game Jalen was playing a masterful floor general game . Our brand of hoops got us some great looks . But no one can do anything even when put in spots to succeed. Larrier was a disaster. Vital is maddening. And it gets worse from there. Anderson has to play, but good grief. Carlton coming along well. Next year he will belong the floor with Nova. So will Jalen so will Alterique. Those are a nice foundation to work with.

KO fails a lot of tests. But the players are failing too.
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The athletic department from top to bottom fails every test that Geno doesn’t take by himself.
 
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Fishy said:
Do you want Kevin Ollie back next season?
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I actually do. I'm willing to give another year to him because the potential returns far outweigh the risks in my mind. You have a guy that is fully vested in the program. If he can figure it out we will be in an enviable spot for years. Don't get me wrong, he is definitely an underdog right now. I think he will have to do some major soul searching this off season and next year because the writing is on the wall. He has to improve and he knows it.

Look at Jay Wright's first couple of years. I'm sure you can look at a whole bunch of different coaches' early records and you'll see the same thing. If Kevin Ollie can succeed here then the program is set for 20+ years. If we bring someone with no allegiance to the program we could be facing a turnstile head coaching spot and I feel that is just as bad as what we're going through now.

Some people may think that another year of these results will somehow bury the program forever. I just don't see it that way. If UCONN beat mich st and unc out in oregon the media would have been all over them. I don't get the feeling that we're on the brink of total anhilation because we aren't. If they win they will be instantly "relevant" again.

I understand where you're coming from and you have every right to be calling for KO's head. You can rightfully ask how will anything change next year. People grow and change, especially when faced with adversity. Maybe it's a long shot, but for the long run I think giving KO one more chance is worth the risk.
 
Paesano said:
Ok, fine answer. Now, what if Gilbert gets hurt again? Will you give him another one year pass to see what he can di with a healthy team? What if Adams gets hurt? I am fine with your original hypothetical. I am just throwing out some twists to see what you would want in those slightly altered scenarios.

Basically, let's say everyone stats except Larrier, as you proposed. And, let's say, you give Ollie one more year based on that. Is he judged after that year on performance, regardless of injuries or suspensions or transfers that might occur mid-season? Or is there a scenario where you give yet another year?
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Yes. He would have to be judged on the performance no matter what at that point even with injuries. I have to go on the assumption that no team in the country can be that snake bitten injury wise 3 years in a row. Gilbert was always meant to be our centerpiece. His shoulder may cost Ollie his job ( but Ollie has absolutely helped it along)
 
August_West said:
Yup .
" Brand of basketball"

This " brand of basketball" won us a natty 4 years ago. It's no different.

The difference is the players. Now buck stops with coach there too. Not making excuse. Absolutely. But I still believe this is a winning "brand of basketball"

I mean I just watched the game on DVR a couple hours ago. Jalen Adams deserves a better supporting cast around him. I want to cry for him. We simply don't have anyone on our squad besides Jalen that belongs on the floor with Nova. Not one. Early in the game Jalen was playing a masterful floor general game . Our brand of hoops got us some great looks . But no one can do anything even when put in spots to succeed. Larrier was a disaster. Vital is maddening. And it gets worse from there. Anderson has to play, but good grief. Carlton coming along well. Next year he will belong the floor with Nova. So will Jalen so will Alterique. Those are a nice foundation to work with.

KO fails a lot of tests. But the players are failing too.
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I agree that the players are a part of the problem. But this brand of basketball requires certain types of players. A few clutch studs who can shoot.

The guys coming in aren't program changers. They might help, but we are not talking a bunch of impact players. And in terms of younger guys developing...this is the same staff that hasn't managed to do much of that for a few years now. I don't know how much better kids are going to get better under him. Carlton is coming along, yes, but that could simply be from getting more experience under his belt.

If we play this brand of basketball with this same group, plus the additions, is it really going to be that much better? idk

I will be more than happy to see Wilson on the court over Larrier.
 
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August_West said:
Yup .
" Brand of basketball"

This " brand of basketball" won us a natty 4 years ago. It's no different.

The difference is the players. Now buck stops with coach there too. Not making excuse. Absolutely. But I still believe this is a winning "brand of basketball"

I mean I just watched the game on DVR a couple hours ago. Jalen Adams deserves a better supporting cast around him. I want to cry for him. We simply don't have anyone on our squad besides Jalen that belongs on the floor with Nova. Not one. Early in the game Jalen was playing a masterful floor general game . Our brand of hoops got us some great looks . But no one can do anything even when put in spots to succeed. Larrier was a disaster. Vital is maddening. And it gets worse from there. Anderson has to play, but good grief. Carlton coming along well. Next year he will belong the floor with Nova. So will Jalen so will Alterique. Those are a nice foundation to work with.

KO fails a lot of tests. But the players are failing too.
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But these are his guys August. He’s the one who thought Larrier would be special, that Anderson had NBA potential, that Polley was a good recruit, that Durham could be the same guy after two torn acls, that Alterique would be healthy enough to run the team, that Vance, Durham, Enoch etc were UConn tough players, that Cobb was worth the risk etc... If he wasn’t so stubborn and would be willing to bring in an assistant to run the offense, I might be willing to give him that final chance as coach. The problem is he’s also the GM, responsible for stocking the cupboard for the coach, a role he’s proven to be poor at. He’s just not up to the task and not equipped to handle all the responsibilities of a head coach of a major D1 basketball program.
 
intlzncster said:
The guys coming in aren't program changers. They might help, but we are not talking a bunch of impact players
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Who were the impact players on 14?

It wasn't freshmen . It was a fully mature Napier and a real pest in boat.

Giffey was nothing until senior year. We played Nolan and Brimah up front.

Don't ever underestimate how different a healthy alterique Gilbert and a mature Jalen Adams can all of a sudden make Ollie ( or any coach) look like a genius instead of a clueless idiot.
 
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I don’t know what kind of shooters we have coming in next year but while I realize basketball is more than shooting, have you watched the teams that have destroyed us? It’s been the 3. They can shoot it, we can’t. Nova had 5 guys 40-45%. If the guards and small forwards can’t shoot, don’t take them. KO was not a 3 point shooter either but he made it work but the game is not that way now.
 
New Coach and everyone will be blaming Ollie for years and years when keep on sucking..

A top tier coach who can recruit is not walking thru the door folks. Ollie needs to go but your not getting any heavy hitter.. Dan Hurley will BOMB here big time !!!
 
tentoes4rings said:
Because Kevin Ollie refuses to recruit those kids. He’d rather have super skinny kids who can’t shoot. He was right on Vance Jackson, but lost him after a year.
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Noted, but I mean like a mad bomber like that Villanova kid. That shot was sweet as honey in a hot cup of tea!
 
Tuna said:
I actually do. I'm willing to give another year to him because the potential returns far outweigh the risks in my mind. You have a guy that is fully vested in the program. If he can figure it out we will be in an enviable spot for years. Don't get me wrong, he is definitely an underdog right now. I think he will have to do some major soul searching this off season and next year because the writing is on the wall. He has to improve and he knows it.

Look at Jay Wright's first couple of years. I'm sure you can look at a whole bunch of different coaches' early records and you'll see the same thing. If Kevin Ollie can succeed here then the program is set for 20+ years. If we bring someone with no allegiance to the program we could be facing a turnstile head coaching spot and I feel that is just as bad as what we're going through now.

Some people may think that another year of these results will somehow bury the program forever. I just don't see it that way. If UCONN beat mich st and unc out in oregon the media would have been all over them. I don't get the feeling that we're on the brink of total anhilation because we aren't. If they win they will be instantly "relevant" again.

I understand where you're coming from and you have every right to be calling for KO's head. You can rightfully ask how will anything change next year. People grow and change, especially when faced with adversity. Maybe it's a long shot, but for the long run I think giving KO one more chance is worth the risk.
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Do you honestly understand how indescribably far away we are from competing with programs like that or have the last five blowouts just not clicked yet? Or the last 2-3 years of losing to those programs badly and consistently?

That is literally, actually delusional.

Don't get me wrong, I wanted the guy to succeed. I mean write a better script? Alum turned hard knocks, perservering NBA player comes home to learn under his mentor, walks them through the wildnerness of probation to a miraculous national championship... young, committed to the school forever... not that it matters, but a diversity hire to boot is a nice cherry on top... Everything you could POSSIBLY want.

But since that title it's been a total and complete disaster. There's no getting around it. And it's even harder to defend when you see the rest of the conference getting better and passing you.
 
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Who do I want to coach? Someone who can do a better job recruiting, developing, retaining, and in-game coaching better than Kevin Ollie currently does. It's not too tall an order.
 
chickenhead said:
The BE has been consistently ranked in the top conferences in the country since the reboot. P5 is a football term. The Big East is projected to finish as the 2nd best conference this year.
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P5 is not just a football term when you consider it's the difference between making a $20-30 million TV payout per school vs. a few million or much less per school. By that standard, no matter how well regarded the NBE may be as a purely BB league, they are still decidedly a mid major conference money wise, and that's all that matters. Also, check out their woeful TV ratings for their only major sport. They routinely get beat out by women's BB games in the same time slots. Almost nobody cares about a league full of small catholic and private schools.
 
Captbluefin said:
New Coach and everyone will be blaming Ollie for years and years when keep on sucking..

A top tier coach who can recruit is not walking thru the door folks. Ollie needs to go but your not getting any heavy hitter.. Dan Hurley will BOMB here big time !!!
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Yeah, if only we would pay top 10 money maybe we can get a coach. Great take.
 
Zion Williamson just committed to Duke unexpectedly. Let's just take all the bad that comes with Jeff Capel. At worst, atleast he will recruit UConn athletes.
 
djct1999 said:
Zion Williamson just committed to Duke unexpectedly. Let's just take all the bad that comes with Jeff Capel. At worst, atleast he will recruit UConn athletes.
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His methods are protected there. Would not be the case here.
 
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