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Phil does a serviceable job playing defense, providing us with some size underneath and most importantly dishing out some fouls underneath. He may not score a lot, but he provides time for Brimah to rest and the defense doesn't miss a beat.
 
Man people defending Nolan like no other. I call it how I see it and Phil has noticeably regressed from a year ago. I love how if you even mention Dyson people spew out all kinds of negative stuff yet Nolan is untouchable apparently

Phil is one of our own, if your going to say something negative, follow up with something positive, then you don't come off too harsh.

That's just the golden rule, it no different then how you treat family
 
Kevin sending a message loud and clear, it's up to Phil to now. I think he knows this
 
Phil is one of our own, if your going to say something negative, follow up with something positive, then you don't come off too harsh.

That's just the golden rule, it no different then how you treat family
Like I said, everyone seems to hate Dyson with a passion on message boards (I'm not one of them) but god forbid you call it how you see it with how bad Phil has been this year and everyone runs to his defense....makes no sense to me

But to all the Phil Lovers out there, you may be in for a long season and not sure how much longer you can defend his play.
 
Phil has not improved on O like we all hoped, but I disagree that he is a liability. He played great d in the tourney last year, and if we get a chance to make a run again, we will need him. He does somethings well and is not a liability on d. It's nice to see Lubin stealing minutes, but I don't see denigrating Phil making much sense. He helped stalwart a strong Texas front court. With Lubin stepping up, it gives us more depth which will help when Brimah gets in foul trouble. Phil needs to get burn, but Lubin should too. Ollie's got it covered.
 
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Like I said, everyone seems to hate Dyson with a passion on message boards (I'm not one of them) but god forbid you call it how you see it with how bad Phil has been this year and everyone runs to his defense....makes no sense to me

But to all the Phil Lovers out there, you may be in for a long season and not sure how much longer you can defend his play.

You really don't know the difference in roles between Dyson and Nolan?
 
Phil is a great teammate and cheerleader, a positive emotional force, and he was an essential piece of our most recent championship when he showed he could play quality defense. He's a quality practice player too, as his length isn't duplicated outside the starters.

I thought he would step up his game this year and he hasn't. Too bad. But he remains a big asset for the team, even if Rakim takes his minutes.
 
Phil currently has some positives but more negatives to his game. He defends well and sets screens better than most of the team. Personally it is exacerbating to watch him struggle trying to score and he is a bad rebounder.

I prefer to hope the kid can turn things around. Same as I had hoped Omar would turn things around. Same as I hope some people in this forum can recognize the character flaw they have in confusing critiquing with denigration. That flaw is far worse than Phil's play imo.
 
I wonder what makes some of you happier, the fact that we won yesterday or the fact that Nolan didn't play well so your message board scouting reports held up.
I harbor zero ill will to Nolan nor do I hope for any player donning a UConn Husky uniform to play poorly...everrrr

Those of that wish to be the fan who only sees the positives in every player and every situation, more power to you.

Phil seems like a good enough kid, but that was never debated. His on court performance is all I have to go off of and right now that is not debatable to me on poorly his year has been so far.

Very disappointing for a guy who has received such minutes for us in the past, but I guess I'm a worse UConn fan in some other posters eyes because I want Rakim to play more than Nolan at this point
 
If I recall correctly, Hilton Armstrong didn't click until his senior year
 
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I harbor zero ill will to Nolan nor do I hope for any player donning a UConn Husky uniform to play poorly...everrrr

Those of that wish to be the fan who only sees the positives in every player and every situation, more power to you.

Phil seems like a good enough kid, but that was never debated. His on court performance is all I have to go off of and right now that is not debatable to me on poorly his year has been so far.

Very disappointing for a guy who has received such minutes for us in the past, but I guess I'm a worse UConn fan in some other posters eyes because I want Rakim to play more than Nolan at this point
careful.....a logical and well thought out post like this could get you banned or censured.
 
I harbor zero ill will to Nolan nor do I hope for any player donning a UConn Husky uniform to play poorly...everrrr

Those of that wish to be the fan who only sees the positives in every player and every situation, more power to you.

Phil seems like a good enough kid, but that was never debated. His on court performance is all I have to go off of and right now that is not debatable to me on poorly his year has been so far.

Very disappointing for a guy who has received such minutes for us in the past, but I guess I'm a worse UConn fan in some other posters eyes because I want Rakim to play more than Nolan at this point

Wasn't referencing you, bud. If I thought you were taking it too far, I would call you out by name. I want Rakim playing more too, doesn't make either of us "bad fans" per se.
 
careful.....a logical and well thought out post like this could get you banned or censured.

Oh, what --- are you whining about?

You can find another message board if this one isn't run to your satisfaction.

No fences here.
 
I harbor zero ill will to Nolan nor do I hope for any player donning a UConn Husky uniform to play poorly...everrrr

Those of that wish to be the fan who only sees the positives in every player and every situation, more power to you.

Phil seems like a good enough kid, but that was never debated. His on court performance is all I have to go off of and right now that is not debatable to me on poorly his year has been so far.

Very disappointing for a guy who has received such minutes for us in the past, but I guess I'm a worse UConn fan in some other posters eyes because I want Rakim to play more than Nolan at this point
Since I was the one on the soap box about stuff, I wanted to comment here.

This type of post is completely reasonable and a legitimate take on things. There's no reason we can't be critical or suggest we think one player should get minutes over another (unless they are batshit crazy ideas like Hamilton playing the two and Facey playing the three - but those get sorted out just fine by masses) as long as that criticism is constructive or at least not personal.

But calling out players, making fun of players, attacking players isn't fine.

T0 summarize:

OK Post - Phil is playing poorly this year and it's really time to see Rakim get more minutes.
Not OK Post - Phil is useless and should never see another minute on the court for UConn.
 
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Since I was the one on the soap box about stuff, I wanted to comment here.

This type of post is completely reasonable and a legitimate take on things. There's no reason we can't be critical or suggest we think one player should get minutes over another (unless they are bat crazy ideas like Hamilton playing the two and Facey playing the three - but those get sorted out just fine by masses) as long as that criticism is constructive or at least not personal.

But calling out players, making fun of players, attacking players isn't fine.

T0 summarize:

OK Post - Phil is playing poorly this year and it's really time to see Rakim get more minutes.
Not OK Post - Phil is useless and should never see another minute on the court for UConn.
This doesn't seem very difficult to understand...and yet...
 
Oh, what --- are you whining about?

You can find another message board if this one isn't run to your satisfaction.

No fences here.
I've been on this board for over 20 years, and you know it. I paid for it when that was the only way to keep it going. Why I'm not allowed to have an opinion of a player on a board that is dedicated to the over-analysis of everything that happens to this team is beyond me. Everyone on their high horse that has commented on this thread is guilty of the same thing at one time or another. How is me saying that Phil has worse hands than Oriakhi different from you saying Hamilton commits turnovers like a pez dispenser? Do only Phil's parents come on this site, but not Hamilton's? We're all Uconn fans on this site, that's why it exists. And many times, that consists of venting. Doesn't make me any less of a fan than anyone else on this board. And if you think any of these players comes on this board and is concerned with what any of us says about anything, you're out of your mind. Thst said, only bouquets and rainbows from me from now on. I've had many a seat directly behind Uconn's bench over the years and trust me, if parents cared that much about criticism (coming from someone who actually has credibility like JC, vs from me, who has none other than being a fan), our hoops program would have been shut done a long time ago. I think people need to lighten up just a tad.
 
Let me start by saying I've always supported Phil. Always wanted him to succeed. But it's gotten to the point where he is now a liability. He's good for drawing a charge and maybe a rebound, but he has zero offensive ability. It doesn't matter where he is, if he gets the ball he will either mishandle it, have it stripped, or have it blocked. I thought maybe the extra muscle would help him out, but so far I'm not seeing any improvement.

It pains me to say it, but I'd rather see Lubin get Phil's minutes. I'll always appreciate Nolan's contribution to last years NC team, but at this point the extra minutes would go a long way to developing Lubin. Am I alone here?

^this is what led a bunch of you to cry foul? Chap said worse about Ray Allen yesterday! I don't like any player being trashed but this was mild and not personal.
I missed the memo that it is OK to trash starters but not OK to trash starters from last year.
Phil seems to have a great personality and be a good kid. But he has been a very limited basketball player. I wish him all the best and hope he improves. But I don't get the reaction.
Glad no one wanted to see Omar on the bench last year.
 
David 76 said:
^this is what led a bunch of you to cry foul? Chap said worse about Ray Allen yesterday! I don't like any player being trashed but this was mild and not personal. I missed the memo that it is OK to trash starters but not OK to trash starters from last year. Phil seems to have a great personality and be a good kid. But he has been a very limited basketball player. I wish him all the best and hope he improves. But I don't get the reaction. Glad no one wanted to see Omar on the bench last year.

No - wasn't so much the original post. Post #5 is when it deteriorated.
 
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If I recall correctly, Hilton Armstrong didn't click until his senior year

Armstrong's worst season (02-03) was better than Phil's best (last year). The Phil=Hilton comparison never made sense, other than the general size and shape of the two players.
 
Since I was the one on the soap box about stuff, I wanted to comment here.

This type of post is completely reasonable and a legitimate take on things. There's no reason we can't be critical or suggest we think one player should get minutes over another (unless they are bat crazy ideas like Hamilton playing the two and Facey playing the three - but those get sorted out just fine by masses) as long as that criticism is constructive or at least not personal.

But calling out players, making fun of players, attacking players isn't fine.

T0 summarize:

OK Post - Phil is playing poorly this year and it's really time to see Rakim get more minutes.
Not OK Post - Phil is useless and should never see another minute on the court for UConn.

Exactly! The posters who are guilty of this behavior have a problem distinguishing the difference.

Lots of reasons why. One reason is that some have developed the habit of putting someone down to make themselves feel better. Another is to attract attention to themselves. There are other reasons but suffice it to say it's very hard to change these type of behaviors.

Some of us recognize this is a minority of the same people posting in this forum. But others of us don't take the time to realize it's the same dudes and come away with the impression that the numbers are greater.

We cannot change others. It's up to the individuals with "negative" behavior to understand the detriments that their behavior creates both for society as a whole and for themselves as individuals. It's no different than alcohol addiction. Someone not addicted can see it in someone else and try to change that person, but no change can begin unless the person with the addiction recognizes the problem and makes the determination to try and change.

We do all sorts of things to force people to look at themselves such as humor, ridicule, isolation, marginalization, ignoring them, punishment. Those methods may have to be employed at times, but the better modality is patience and guidance. I must confess there are times when I want to get down and dirty as opposed to be a shining light. I want to feel the emotional satisfaction we derive when we hurt others. It's quite satisfying. But it's wrong. Which is why the more successful groups understand this and work together in pulling each other up as opposed to putting others down. None of us are perfect and we all need each other. No different than a team in which even the bench players can contribute to an outcome.

Personally I find this forum a perfect blend of personalities. It has vibrancy, intelligence, raw emotion, compassion, passion and many other positive attributes. Yes it has flaws. But we frequently move forward in a positive direction. It's interesting to see the stalwarts on the football forum who are fans who know how to handle adversity. They've had to with the last four plus seasons. The bandwagon fans are gone from that forum. And the women's bb forum is the polar opposite. The biggest charge they have is the Vols and the way Tennessee had dealt with Geno and Maya Moore. That still brings the strongest reaction there many years after the events.

The men's bb forum is unique imo. It's the roller coaster forum. Extreme highs and extreme lows in a very short period of time. Human nature struggles more in this type of environment. You know what your getting in the other two forums (and yes I know the football success under RE). I'm talking about the rate of change. Championship, post season ban, loss of a legacy, championship, hero worship of a new coach, divorce. All in less than four years. That's extreme and a whipsaw set of circumstances impacting the basic drive to create some sort of normalcy in our lives. So kudos to this forum even as we still find ourselves working through things. This forum has definitely taken the stairs to fandom.
 
Armstrong's worst season (02-03) was better than Phil's best (last year). The Phil=Hilton comparison never made sense, other than the general size and shape of the two players.

It's not a comparison of their skill sets or stats, just comparing their scenarios. Hilton had a solid senior season.
 
It's not a comparison of their skill sets or stats, just comparing their scenarios. Hilton had a solid senior season.

He did, but on a rate basis, he was already a pretty good player, minus the foul rate. For example, his junior year, when he played about 12mpg, his per40 numbers were 12 points, 11 rebounds, 4 blocks on 52% shooting. Phil's rate stats this year are abysmal (4 points, 4 rebounds, 1 block on 39% shooting). Statistically speaking, he's been among the very worst players in the conference. So I guess I'm not sure what relevance Hilton being a good player as a senior has, since he's on a completely different performance/development track than Phil.
 
He did, but on a rate basis, he was already a pretty good player, minus the foul rate. Phil's rate stats this year are abysmal. Statistically speaking, he's been among the very worst players in the conference. So I guess I'm not sure what relevance Hilton being a good player as a senior has, since he's on a completely different performance/development track than Phil.

I don't know where your disconnect is, but in the simplest way, try to imagine the possibility of nolan improving and playing well in his senior year. That's it, nothing more, it's not that hard if you stop trying to connect dots that aren't there.
 
I don't know where your disconnect is, but in the simplest way, try to imagine the possibility of nolan improving and playing well in his senior year. That's it, nothing more, it's not that hard if you stop trying to connect dots that aren't there.

So to suggest that Phil might be good as a senior, you bring up another player who was good as a senior, despite that player's performance prior to his senior year being several magnitudes better than Phil's to this point? I can't imagine why I might have tried to "connect dots" on that one. Why bring up Armstrong at all, if not to invite a comparison between him and Nolan? Their "scenarios" aren't similar: Hilton was a good player who struggled to get minutes behind lottery picks like Okafor and Villanueva, and when he got starter's minutes as a senior, he continued to be a good player. Nolan is, at this point, a terrible player who continues to get opportunities because of the relative dearth of depth in UConn's frontcourt. Comparing Nolan to Armstrong (which you did, despite your bizarre attempts to pretend otherwise), two very dissimilar players in very dissimilar situations, is one of the laziest comparisons I see made over and over on this board, based entirely on the fact that both players are roughly the same height and weight.
 
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