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A view here, and repeating a few things of what others have said.

1) If WM is a willing participant in this mix, then yes it does not bode well for how he perceives out future. Not sure if he's using this just to get a bump in salary or if he really wants to get the hell out of dodge.

2) From what I remember reading in SH's emails she wanted everyone clamped down when it came to CR time with the ACC slot and she would try to handle it on a presidential level (if true, that didn't quite work out well.).

3) If SH loves Manuel she should offer him a nice raise. If she thinks he can be replaced and if he does get the job, she should go all out to get the best and open the wallets to do it. These next 3-5 UConn needs to spend AS IF they are in a Power 5, even if they are not. Their football program's future depends on it.

4) I like WM but will not be down in the dumps if he leaves...as long as we get a good replacement. And it would be nice to have a friend in one of the two conferences we would need to join in the near future.
 
Is not a candidate is not the same as "is not interested"...but at least it looks like he's staying for now
 
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freescooter said:
I guess you are entitled to your view. He did a horrible job and made no effort to counter the narrative that UL was putting out, to the extent that it was truly embarrassing. As I said when I heard a talking head favorably compare UL's womens basketball program to ours it was clear how bad things had gotten. Heck, Jurich had everybody on tv, the radio, interviewed in the press. He announced he was cancelling his trip to work on this. Manuel did nothing. He allowed the narrative to develop such that by the time the vote was held, Louisville seemed like the logical choice and UConn would have been a head scratcher. Two weeks earlier, everyone conceded UConn was the logical choice. I've watched and participated in political campaigns before and when you allow the other guy to set the narrative, even if he's the underdog, you almost always lose. I saw that playing out very early on in the ACC thing and it was clear that Warde had absolutely no clue what he was doing. He didn't fight back even once. You have to give your friends a reason to support you and we didn't. The whole "there was nothing he could do" argument came about after he had failed. It was an excuse. Nothing more. I would have fired him the day after the decision was made if I had the power to do so. The rest of the stuff he's done has been polishing the silverware on the Titanic. And this comes from a long time hockey fan who loves that we're heading to Hockey East.
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This would be a great post. If the LV over UConn decision was made over the internet by those who log onto ESPN.com. Given, however, that the choice was made by 12 University Presidents, each of whom had their own motives to help themselves and their institutions, the post is frankly absurd. Did we get blindsided -- you bet. But we got blindsided because those who run the conference told us we were in. There has not been one post on here, ever, by you or anyone else, to explain how a better PR campaign would have changed the mind of those at FSU and Clemson who wanted a higher ranked football program with more history, those in the Northeast who wanted less competition, and those in the ACC who were looking to break the control of the conference away from the Swofford -- Duke -- UNC axis. Rationally, it would not have.

And, for the millionth time, anyone who does business in the 21st century knows that geographic location when a crisis is occuring is almost totally irrelevant (and if it became relevant someone would have chartered a plane and headed back).
 
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Today's SAT practice question.......

Choose the best answer to finish the sentence......

If Warde Manuel leaves,

a. D&D donut makers on campus will get some rest.
b. UCONN will save money on cafeteria worker's overtime
c. UCONN will hire a new AD.
d. UCONN sports fans will run naked in the fields in both joy and anger.
e. none of the above
f. all of the above
 
Gee - it was the Hartford Courant that did this again huh?

I'm shocked. Shocked I say.
 
I'd be shocked if Warde left. Hasn't been here long enough to show a demonstrable track record of results (other than the BB facility which is huge). Has done some good things process wise - coaching hires, social media etc. one potential black eye (Conf Realignment but not sure how much control he had over that).

If I were VT I wouldn't hire him on potential or gravitas - would need to see more a of a track record as the top dog
 
businesslawyer said:
This would be a great post. If the LV over UConn decision was made over the internet by those who log onto ESPN.com. Given, however, that the choice was made by 12 University Presidents, each of whom had their own motives to help themselves and their institutions, the post if frankly absurd. Did we get blindsided -- you bet. But we got blindsided because those who run the conference told us we were in. There has not been one post on here, ever, by you or anyone else, to explain how a better PR campaign would have changed the mind of those at FSU and Clemson who wanted a higher ranked football program with more history, those in the Northeast who wanted less competition, and those in the ACC who were looking to break the control of the conference away from the Swofford -- Duke -- UNC axis. Rationally, it would not have.

And, for the millionth time, anyone who does business in the 21st century knows that geographic location when a crisis is occuring is almost totally irrelevant (and if it became relevant someone would have chartered a plane and headed back).
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I still say that chilling on the beach was poor optics.
 
huskymedic said:
This is what really started it:

jaltavilla9:55am via web
Here is the link from the Roberts report on WFIR in Virginia on Warde Manuel and Virginia TechPost original url/1hLycrg Forward to 38min mark

Shortcut to speculative name toss:
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jaltavilla12:27pm via Web
Warde Manuel says in email he was not aware his named linked to VaTech job. Waiting for statement from school refuting his interest #UConn

jaltavilla12:31pm via Web
Only thing certain: Manuel's reputation is established, rising and he will continue to be discussed when jobs arise #UConnwomen#uconnmen
 
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Skiblets said:
I'd be shocked if Warde left. Hasn't been here long enough to show a demonstrable track record of results (other than the BB facility which is huge). Has done some good things process wise - coaching hires, social media etc. one potential black eye (Conf Realignment but not sure how much control he had over that).

If I were VT I wouldn't hire him on potential or gravitas - would need to see more a of a track record as the top dog
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Agree, in this type of job it takes 5-10 years at least to measure performance.
 
"I am not a candidate, have not been interviewed nor have I been contacted by Virginia Tech about its Director of Athletics position despite some recent media reports. I am very happy as the Director of Athletics at UConn and look forward to continuing to work with President Herbst, my coaches, staff, student-athletes, donors and fans to enjoy a high level of continued success in athletics at UConn. I wish Virginia Tech all the best in their search to replace, one of the legends in our business, Jim Weaver.”

http://runwayramblings.blogspot.com/2014/01/report-manuel-in-running-for-ad-job-at.html
 
tcf15 said:
"I am not a candidate, have not been interviewed nor have I been contacted by Virginia Tech about its Director of Athletics position despite some recent media reports. I am very happy as the Director of Athletics at UConn and look forward to continuing to work with President Herbst, my coaches, staff, student-athletes, donors and fans to enjoy a high level of continued success in athletics at UConn. I wish Virginia Tech all the best in their search to replace, one of the legends in our business, Jim Weaver.”

http://runwayramblings.blogspot.com/2014/01/report-manuel-in-running-for-ad-job-at.html
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That doesn't say he's uninterested. IMO
 
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businesslawyer said:
This would be a great post. If the LV over UConn decision was made over the internet by those who log onto ESPN.com. Given, however, that the choice was made by 12 University Presidents, each of whom had their own motives to help themselves and their institutions, the post is frankly absurd. Did we get blindsided -- you bet. But we got blindsided because those who run the conference told us we were in. There has not been one post on here, ever, by you or anyone else, to explain how a better PR campaign would have changed the mind of those at FSU and Clemson who wanted a higher ranked football program with more history, those in the Northeast who wanted less competition, and those in the ACC who were looking to break the control of the conference away from the Swofford -- Duke -- UNC axis. Rationally, it would not have.

And, for the millionth time, anyone who does business in the 21st century knows that geographic location when a crisis is occuring is almost totally irrelevant (and if it became relevant someone would have chartered a plane and headed back).
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Must disagree. Anybody who does business knows, deals get done belly to belly, face to face. There is no substitute. Pushing papers in closing a transaction certainly can be done form afar, and even negotiations of a baseline LOI, but the basis for a deal is still a fundamentally human interaction and there is no substitute for personal presence.

As for your question, you are asking those who maintain a better PR campaign was required to prove a negative. What is certain is that there is ample economic rationale from a market perspective, academic standing, quality of facilities and historical athletic success to portray UConn as an exceptionally desirable candidate. Thus, one may rationally conclude a very poor job was done marketing UConn. As a general rule, these folks are not business professionals with experience in creating their own or recognizing business opportunities and that is what major college athletics have become. The TV marketing and advertisement dollars drive success. The ACC has been very astutely shaping itself and aligning to large market presence (Boston, Baltimore - DC, Penn, NY -Upstate (thus the conscious push to brand the fruits as NY's team). They were able to see the future and move. We, on the other hand, missed the boat. Working with Rutgers, Pitt and Syracuse as a package would have been a great strategy years ago, but we kept waving the BE flag as it imploded over our sentimental need to protect BASKETBALL. The business mind would have recognized its not about basketball, rather its about football revenue. The BIG 10 is where we need to be by whatever means necessary.
 
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BlueDogs said:
Must disagree. Anybody who does business knows, deals get done belly to belly, face to face. There is no substitute. Pushing papers in closing a transaction certainly can be done form afar, and even negotiations of a baseline LOI, but the basis for a deal is still a fundamentally human interaction and there is no substitute for personal presence.

As for your question, you are asking those who maintain a better PR campaign was required to prove a negative. What is certain is that there is ample economic rationale from a market perspective, academic standing, quality of facilities and historical athletic success to portray UConn as an exceptionally desirable candidate. Thus, one may rationally conclude a very poor job was done marketing UConn. As a general rule, these folks are not business professionals with experience in creating their own or recognizing business opportunities and that is what major college athletics have become. The TV marketing and advertisement dollars drive success. The ACC has been very astutely shaping itself and aligning to large market presence (Boston, Baltimore - DC, Penn, NY -Upstate (thus the conscious push to brand the fruits as NY's team). They were able to see the future and move. We, on the other hand, missed the boat. Working with Rutgers, Pitt and Syracuse as a package would have been a great strategy years ago, but we kept waving the BE flag as it imploded over our sentimental need to protect BASKETBALL. The business mind would have recognized its not about basketball, rather its about football revenue. The BIG 10 is where we need to be by whatever means necessary.
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Well, I disagree with this. Business deals get done, primarily because the people that are responsible for some kind of transaction or action, know each other, and respect each other...they may even like each other and are friends outside of business..... and either way communicate with each other regularly, or enough in a meaningful fashion that you don't have to do through the secretary's waiting list to have a conversation. Getting business done, does not matter at all if it's done face to face or not. That, I am in complete agreement with BL.

What happens face to face, I think, is the initial meetings and introductions among people with the POTENTIAL to do business. I would hope that by now, Warde Manuel has done all of those meetings and introductions and lunches and dinners with the power players and decision makers in the intercollegiate landscape that matter to us and has established relationships.

The AD at Louisville, at the time, had 16 years of building contacts and relationships regarding the University of Louisville, and it's place in the TV revenue and college football strata. The AD at UCONN, didn't have that much time to build relationships and contacts among the people that were responsible for the decision making on such matters, and probably didn't have much working knowledge of the entire mess , coming from Buffalo via being an assistant at Michigan.....both of those schools, being completely opposite ends of the spectrum, than UCONN or Louisville was at - Michigan, having never any worry at all about their place int eh college football hierarchy, and Buffalo, on the other end, not going to be cashing in the big coin anytime. UCONN and Louisville though - right on the battle lines. These are things that a person like me, with absolutely no inside information can be reasonably sure of. And for me, these things are more than enough to explain why Louisville got an invite to the ACC and UCONN did not.

Or it might just be that he eats too many donuts.
 
businesslawyer said:
It might have been poor optics. But that is entirely different than concluding it changed anything except the perception of a decision that would have come out the same way.
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Why didn't Warde tell Clemson and FL St that UCONN just beat FL in the Orange bowl?
 
BlueDogs said:
Must disagree. Anybody who does business knows, deals get done belly to belly, face to face. There is no substitute. Pushing papers in closing a transaction certainly can be done form afar, and even negotiations of a baseline LOI, but the basis for a deal is still a fundamentally human interaction and there is no substitute for personal presence.

As for your question, you are asking those who maintain a better PR campaign was required to prove a negative. What is certain is that there is ample economic rationale from a market perspective, academic standing, quality of facilities and historical athletic success to portray UConn as an exceptionally desirable candidate. Thus, one may rationally conclude a very poor job was done marketing UConn. As a general rule, these folks are not business professionals with experience in creating their own or recognizing business opportunities and that is what major college athletics have become. The TV marketing and advertisement dollars drive success. The ACC has been very astutely shaping itself and aligning to large market presence (Boston, Baltimore - DC, Penn, NY -Upstate (thus the conscious push to brand the fruits as NY's team). They were able to see the future and move. We, on the other hand, missed the boat. Working with Rutgers, Pitt and Syracuse as a package would have been a great strategy years ago, but we kept waving the BE flag as it imploded over our sentimental need to protect BASKETBALL. The business mind would have recognized its not about basketball, rather its about football revenue. The BIG 10 is where we need to be by whatever means necessary.
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Name one opportunity for a face to face meeting that he turned down. And which meetings from Storrs wouldn't have required the same kind of airplane that he could have gotten on from the USVI?

I'll wait.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
If Warde hasn't officially denied this yet it must be true. He probably interviewed in San Diego last week. I'm sure he and Susan have already had an awkward conversation.

I really started to like Warde this year, but at this point I hope he gets the V Tech job. Don't want anyone who is not 10 toes in.

Bring in the former Rutgers AD, he got hosed out of his job.
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Tim Pernetti got hired by the new MLS Expansion team in New York (owned by the Yankees and Man City) last fall as their Chief Business Officer. Even after being thrown under the bus by Rutgers President Barchi, who is one of Christie’s guys, he would not take a job at UConn because of his loyalty to Rutgers. A good guy.
 
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huskymedic said:
jaltavilla12:27pm via Web
Warde Manuel says in email he was not aware his named linked to VaTech job. Waiting for statement from school refuting his interest #UConn

jaltavilla12:31pm via Web
Only thing certain: Manuel's reputation is established, rising and he will continue to be discussed when jobs arise #UConnwomen#uconnmen
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Well I guess there's nothing better than high-quality reporting! John Altavilla decides to run a possible big story using a blogger as his source, only to find out that...surprise...the story isn't true?!? Wow...who'd have thunk it?? I'm just not sure which is worse...being a reporter for a significant newspaper in our state who passes this following of a blogger's self-admitted questionable source off as... "reporting", thereby, to a degree tarnishing his own reputation...OR....the posters here on the BY who decided to turn into lemmings, assume it just had to be true, thereby following him over the cliff. :rolleyes:
 
businesslawyer said:
And, for the millionth time, anyone who does business in the 21st century knows that geographic location when a crisis is occuring is almost totally irrelevant (and if it became relevant someone would have chartered a plane and headed back).
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No kidding. I went out to dinner and drinks at a mid-scale chain restaurant in some god forsaken corner of the Midwest once with a couple of executives from a company and partners of a big Private Equality firm. They drafted hundred million dollar deal on some scratch paper while drinking cheep domestic draft beer and finger food that was greasy enough to kill half the people there. The lawyers and bankers were brought in later and those meetings were in nice offices.
 
He could have used gotomeeting.com. You get a % off if you type in Colin Cowherd's first name. Maybe he couldn't figure out how to spell Colin.
 
2Infinity said:
Well I guess there's nothing better than high-quality reporting! John Altavilla decides to run a possible big story using a blogger as his source, only to find out that...surprise...the story isn't true?!? Wow...who'd have thunk it?? I'm just not sure which is worse...being a reporter for a significant newspaper in our state who passes this following of a blogger's self-admitted questionable source off as... "reporting", thereby, to a degree tarnishing his own reputation...OR....the posters here on the BY who decided to turn into lemmings, assume it just had to be true, thereby following him over the cliff. :rolleyes:
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This is where the original story came from to start with (drive time sports show in Roanoke): http://wfirnews.com/grlpodcast/GRL5pm.mp3 -- go to 30 minute mark. The reason WM name got thrown out is speculation about AD's trying to bail out of the AAC because of P5 autonomy (outside looking in theory).
 
huskymedic said:
This is where the original story came from to start with (drive time sports show in Roanoke): http://wfirnews.com/grlpodcast/GRL5pm.mp3 -- go to 30 minute mark. The reason WM name got thrown out is speculation about AD's trying to bail out of the AAC because of P5 autonomy (outside looking in theory).
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This would be the same thought process, in essence, espoused by a Syracuse lackey that's in position to write for the NY Times and SI, and came up with the concept that an AAC school like UCONN, could not be a desireable location for a football head coach........must be the same for AD's then right......if it was written in SI?

Internet media world makes me sick sometimes.
 
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